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Fun with Alice, the Frigidaire 1-18!
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Post# 353423   5/30/2009 at 19:17 (5,415 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

Well, folks. I just figured I'd add some photos of Alice at play. Here, you can see him batting around a few detailing towels. Using All powdered detergent, I set him on slow agitation to help keep the suds down. It all rinsed out just fine, in spite of the slow spin speed. I added an extra rinse, just for good measure. So, let's get started!

NorfolkSouthern





Post# 353424 , Reply# 1   5/30/2009 at 19:22 (5,415 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Half way through

At oh, about 7 minutes into the cycle. We have the famous plume of suds these machines are known for. It reminds me a lot of the Saturn V rocket used during the Apollo missions, how the smoke would rise before the rocket would slowly lift off!

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 353425 , Reply# 2   5/30/2009 at 19:28 (5,415 days old) by jonvance1990 ()        

You named your 1-18? interesting.

Post# 353428 , Reply# 3   5/30/2009 at 19:35 (5,415 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1.. Ignition!

Ignition sequence. All engines are started. We have ignition. Two, one, zero. We have liftoff.

We have a lift-off and it's lighting up the area. It's just like daylight here at Kennedy Space Center. The Saturn 5 is moving off the pad....


Post# 353436 , Reply# 4   5/30/2009 at 20:13 (5,415 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
jonvance1990

In all honesty, I only mean this in good humor. It is a sad fact that most ordinary folks don't enjoy doing their laundry, or cleaning for that matter. They take no pride in their own personal environment, preferring to do other things instead. In some cases, a living quarters can become a trash dump. And this is especially so for those who don't appreciate, or even have the proper tools to work with. Much of this is what causes some people to end up evicted from apartments or condominiums for lease violations. Or worse, losing their homes due to a bad inspection or even dumped off in some nursing home by their families.

As for me, I truly appreciate what I have. Had it not been for my collection of appliances, I would have most likely lost interest in doing my laundry completely. The results would obviously be disastrous. If you're like the average person who can take these things for granted, then consider yourself lucky. There are others who in a totally different situation.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 353473 , Reply# 5   5/30/2009 at 22:50 (5,415 days old) by soberleaf ()        
i would still like to find out

if the motor on the 1-18 uses both it's low speed winding and high speed winding together when it runs on high or does the low speed winding de-energize when it goes into high?

i am guessing that only one set of windings is on at a time, but if i'm wrong please correct me here. ofcourse this is not refering to the starting windings which i realize are seperate from these 2 run windings and energize only to start the machine.

i'm not used to 2 speed motors as i usually deal with dishwashers but since i just picked up a 1965 rollermatic which has a 2 speed motor it would be good to know.

thanks


Post# 353480 , Reply# 6   5/30/2009 at 22:59 (5,415 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
A little more about the spin

Since having the opportunity to evaluate this further, I did notice that the brake on this machine works intermittently. I can't be too sure what keeps it from working consistently. When the machine is totally empty, it ramps up to its final spin speed fairly quick. The start is considerably slower when it's full, as the water pumps out. This may indicate to me that it has one winding energized, but I can't be too sure. I'll know better should I get the chance to test another timer.

Here's a mystery: What would cause the brake to work sporadically? Would a high-speed spin perhaps dry the equipment underneath well enough to where some brake clutch could actually take hold? I can provide another photo, to perhaps give a better illustration of how it looks. Perhaps someone can have a better perspective on this.

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 353491 , Reply# 7   5/30/2009 at 23:19 (5,415 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

The Frigidaire 1-18s start out on a slow spin speed, regardless of the cycle. After they empty, you will hear a click on the timer where the machine shifts to high speed to complete the cycle. Not sure which run windings the motor is using to do this.

Post# 353498 , Reply# 8   5/30/2009 at 23:37 (5,415 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Thanks for the hints!

Very interesting, Andrew. On mine, I don't hear a click at all. Perhaps the problem may be in the timer. If that's the case, I am wondering if there is a way to fix it without having to find a replacement. Has anybody attempted such a project?

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 353530 , Reply# 9   5/31/2009 at 08:57 (5,415 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        
Norfolksouthern...i'm with you

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people work hard for their money, to purchase goods, and yet don't care to take care of them...we have 7 kids in my family, and only 2 are total slobs...one is strickly white trailer trash no matter how nuch my mother till this day gets on him that he was not raised hi way and knows better, and wonders why he doesn't have anything...the other moved in with me from a divorce...4 years of hell...he thought he was at home with his ex-wife(who was the same way), words can't describe how this person can come into someones house and not take care of it...this is no lie...would order a pizza and when done would slide the box under the couch...clothes thrown all over, would pile all the dishes in the sink sky high. and rinse and reuse the last plate...and I have 2 dishwashers in the kitchen, unbelievable to this day, that it ticked me off so bad that he would come into my house, cause he needed help, and honestly disrespect me or my home, and yet hold resentment to us others because we have nice homes and cars, and like we should share, if you don't have repect for your ownself how can i trust you with anything of mine...the 3rd brother and i are like twins, we borrow each others cars and when done, they filled with gas, washed and cleaned out, wiped down and put back in the garage, no matter how you got it, common courtesy, we used to share between all 4, we got screwed, tank on empty, mud splashed, dirt inside, ice cream and soda spilled inside, McDonalds bags and trash left inside, don't ask to borrow again!...and yet were the bad guys! Your grown people...act like it!!!...oh yeah, after 4 years, came home saw the mess and gave ultimatum, clean it now or get out forever, TONITE! no regrets, he's gone, I am a happier person...mind you none of the other relatives would take him in...some people you can't help, his apartment is just as trashed.... sorry to ramble on...but it just makes me upset to see things not taken care of, especially if its yours...

Post# 353542 , Reply# 10   5/31/2009 at 09:25 (5,415 days old) by soberleaf ()        
if you let the washer run

and it progresses thru the cycle then the timer is working, whether you hear the click or not. my rollermatic has a very noisy timer, i guess frigidaires are known for this. i remember that timer from my aunt's rapidry and it made the same noisy sound as it advanced. i think it's fun to listen to.

anyway, whether you can hear the click or not if it moves thru it's cycle then it's advancing ok. but for some reason when it spins you are not going into high spin speed.

now i'm thinking that when it is supposed to go into high
spin speed the timer is not energizing the high speed motor winding. if it stays on low speed then obviously the low speed winding is still energized.

does it spin only on low on all cycles?

i'm guessing here that when it is supposed to go into high spin both the low speed winding and high speed winding are energized. your's staying on low would indicate that the high speed winding is not kicking in.

i had asked here if anyone knew if both windings are energized on high motor speed but i am going to find out tonite myself. going to run my rollermatic and put a tester on both low and high speed winding leads to get an answer.

then i will know more about this problem and perhaps by looking at the schematic you sent can help you fix it.


Post# 353555 , Reply# 11   5/31/2009 at 10:45 (5,415 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Also to add to Andrew's comment

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The 1-18's and later Rollermatics have "SureSpin" clutches installed between the motor and spin shafts. So with a heavy tub of clothes and water there is a limited slip so the motor doesn't strain. So on these machines you will always see a slow start to spin until the tub is empty and the timer switches the windings to "wicked high".


Post# 353635 , Reply# 12   5/31/2009 at 15:45 (5,414 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        
Alice has brakes!

I decided to solve the problem with braking after the spin. It turns out that a bolt was a little loose on one of the rollers. So, I tightened that down. Several tests will tell whether or not I have it fixed well enough. But, after about three trials it seems to be working properly.

In the photo, note the amber roller clear in the background. It's hiding behind the big black rubber grommet on top of the Grey agitator roller, just to the right of the other Grey roller that connects to the belt pulley. When the nut on the bottom of that roller is not tight enough, it will lose contact with the big Grey roller clear back to the right, on the spin shaft when the motor stops. Well, it has to have contact with the spin roller so the screw inside can push the brake up, effectively stopping the basket from spinning. It also has to move away for agitation, to keep the basket from trying to spin during the wash and rinse cycles. Note the amber and Grey rollers in the foreground. These are engaged when the motor is turning the belt to the right, during agitation. Simple, yet ingenious!

And now, to solve the speed mystery!

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 353651 , Reply# 13   5/31/2009 at 17:17 (5,414 days old) by soberleaf ()        
great!!!!

you are getting it! i have to go out to a freind's house but when i get back i'm gonna test my rollermatic with a circuit tester to find out exactly what windings are on when. mine uses a 2 speed reversing motor like the 1-18's so it should be the same. and i need to know anyway for my own frigidaire knowledge. hopefully it may help you with your speed problem also.

Post# 354305 , Reply# 14   6/3/2009 at 04:53 (5,412 days old) by norfolksouthern ()        

Yogitunes: I read your response to my thread. Thanks you so much for being in agreement! I am sure many others here are the same way. I have a sister who is the exact opposite of your two sons, in the sense that she is an ace at housekeeping. But here appliances are a totally different matter! She has this wonderful GE Filter-Flo, loaded and complete with the mini-tub. It tends to loosten up on the spin tub, which has to be tightened quite frequently. If they knew how to fix a washing machine, it would be a five year fix. She worries about what will happen if it dies (and it probably will in the not too distant future). Looking at it, and a Whirlpool shredmore she has in her basement, it's a wonder the two have survived for as long as they have! Both cabinets are banged up, the fabric softener dispensor is busted up on the shredmore, with globs of fabric softener gunked on the tub rings for good measure. There was also a SMELLY kitty litter box that hasn't been cleaned in months, sitting next to that poor shredmore in the basement. I obviously removed that before attempting to work on it. But, since they didn't have the right socket set, I could not remove the agitator. And there it sits. I cringe at the thought of what my machine would look like after spending a few nights with her!

everythingold: I didn't overlook your info about the matching dryer. It seems like Alice misses his dryer terribly, which could be why he was throwing fits while I was trying to load him up. Heh heh heh.

soberleaf: I have yet to see what I missed after being away from these Frigidaires for so many years. I can't even gauge whether or not mine makes the right sounds, unless I had the opportunity to see others like it in action. The sooner I get this critter fixed, the better!

NorfolkSouthern


Post# 354315 , Reply# 15   6/3/2009 at 06:49 (5,412 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

NorfolkSouthern:
Keep up the good work, and enjoy these fine pieces of machinery. I have a 1-18 waiting to be hooked up and played with. You are giving me good clues as what the machine should and shouldn't do. I had no idea they started to spin in slow mo and then kick into high.
Bobby in Boston



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