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Post# 356120   6/10/2009 at 20:10 (5,404 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        

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Ok guys - how the hell do I get this cover off of these older models - there is no release tab - what's the secret? I obviously can't get very far until this baby comes off... Please advise!

Thanks!
Matthew





Post# 356138 , Reply# 1   6/10/2009 at 21:00 (5,404 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Just break it to get it off...I can send you another, if need be. Tap a flat blade screwdriver between the tranny hub and plastic sleeve and twist.

Post# 356174 , Reply# 2   6/10/2009 at 22:50 (5,404 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Matt,

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I wouldn't worry too much about breaking it off if that's the only way. You can get new ones that are much easier to get on and off. The only way I was able to remove mine without breaking was to take two large flathead screwdrivers, slide them in on either side where those two "flaps" are, then of course wedge those flaps outward away from the agitator post while lifting upwards. Eventually you'll see how it works. The two flaps just snap on and lock.

Once you get that thing out of there only 3 large bolts hold the tub to the tranny. You'll need a pretty good size rachet to get those off. Get that tub off of there and you'll be looking at the boot and the two rings that hold it in place. I used a hexnut screwdriver on those to get them loose and release the boot.

Back to the rachet to remove the 6 nuts holding the transmission to the suspension below the outer tub. Once those are out you can lift it out and it'll be nice and heavy. That's the beauty of a GE tranny. It is all one piece that is easily replaced from the top. This would be a good time to really clean the outer tub, maybe a new belt, and whatever else you might need to do inside.

The hardest part will be getting that boot just right so it seals again. Also be very careful of any debris around the boot. I got a nasty stick from a rusty needle once.

If you need anything just let me know!

Jon


Post# 356215 , Reply# 3   6/11/2009 at 07:17 (5,404 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

It looks like you have a white tub GE!! How common are those?

Post# 356241 , Reply# 4   6/11/2009 at 09:36 (5,404 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
These are a b*tch!

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You can try prying it off by inserting a flat-head screwdriver between the plastic cuff and that "notch" you can see in your picture and pushing the plastic outward. Since these are very replaceable, don't be afraid to use a lot of force.This old Lexan is very hard to break; it's just soft enough to be impossible.It is very difficult and very frustrating but I've removed two of these and have concluded that GE technicians used to have a special tool to do this.

Post# 356251 , Reply# 5   6/11/2009 at 11:53 (5,404 days old) by kenmoreforever ()        

I have replaced mant transmissions without putting the plastic peice back in with no problem.

Post# 356302 , Reply# 6   6/11/2009 at 17:23 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
I LOVE my GE!!!

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Well, I managed to carefully get the plastic cover off with out breaking it with a screwdriver and a pair of long nose pliers, the bolts came out with a little bit of elbow grease and the tub needed a good yank (don't we all...) but I got the tranny out and the outer tub looks great! There is only a slight rust spot from where the larger clamp screw was by the drain hole. I'm thinking of putting that POR stuff in there - how does one do this - do i need to sand the rust off first? - do they have it at home Depot? It's amazingly clean inside the machine - I can't believe that for 40 years old - its almost immaculate! I'll post some pics...

Thanks for all your help and suggestions guys!

and by the way - the tub is actually Turquoise - and these I understand to be rare as well.
Matt


Post# 356304 , Reply# 7   6/11/2009 at 17:29 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
another pic...

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drain hole rust... - there is really only one questionable spot where i can feel its rusting through to the other side... the rest i can just wipe off. This is where I wanna patch. It is not leaking yet, but i don't want to have to take it apart again anytime soon...

Post# 356306 , Reply# 8   6/11/2009 at 17:31 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
tranny go bye bye

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here is a pic with the tranny out.

Post# 356307 , Reply# 9   6/11/2009 at 17:32 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
and here is the basket and the agitator and cover

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:-)

more pics to come as i progress...


Post# 356308 , Reply# 10   6/11/2009 at 17:46 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
always good with a little photo styling...

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in the middle of things

Post# 356314 , Reply# 11   6/11/2009 at 18:22 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
old tranny

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how hard is it to rebuild these? - the only issue was that it indexed and the upper seal was starting to leak... Anyone ever done this? how hard is it? Everything else about these machines is so easy - are the transmissions the same? I'm not throwing this out.

Post# 356315 , Reply# 12   6/11/2009 at 18:23 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
new(er) tranny

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got this on ebay - it was from a commercial laundromat and was rebuilt. i hope it works. only $70.00! they have more too...

Post# 356316 , Reply# 13   6/11/2009 at 18:25 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
tranny installed

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WOW - this was soo easy!

Post# 356319 , Reply# 14   6/11/2009 at 18:52 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Houston, we have a problem...

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Ok, i can't seem to knock the old Spline out of the original agitator - what can i do - without changing the spline, i'm screwed because this won't fit the new transmission...

Post# 356327 , Reply# 15   6/11/2009 at 19:29 (5,403 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Matt,

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Mine was very difficult as well. It will take some force but you'll get it. I think I used a larger rachet fitting and a rubber mallet. I placed the agitator on a towel for padding and protect from the floor. Made sure it was very flat and level. Then I pounded that sucker out with the mallet. It's the only way to get it out as far as I know. Just use your judgement and common sense as to how much is too much force so you don't break anything.

Jon


Post# 356329 , Reply# 16   6/11/2009 at 19:36 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
thanks Jon!

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I'll try that now - what about the POR-15 - where can i get that?

Post# 356332 , Reply# 17   6/11/2009 at 19:48 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Won't BUDGE!

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I've been pounding that spline like crazy but it won't budge - how about if i held it in boiling water for a little bit? - would that help?

Post# 356338 , Reply# 18   6/11/2009 at 20:20 (5,403 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Matt,

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It'll have to budge eventually. hehe...don't know what else to tell you there. I've never used POR15 so I don't know where to find that stuff.

Post# 356344 , Reply# 19   6/11/2009 at 20:31 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
GOT IT!

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holding the top in boiling water then really giving it a few good whacks got it out finally - i'm relieved! - I'll do the POR later - at least I know how to get it all apart now.

Post# 356349 , Reply# 20   6/11/2009 at 20:39 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Up and running!

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its a bit noisier than the old transmission but it works great!

Post# 356351 , Reply# 21   6/11/2009 at 20:44 (5,403 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Yup,

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The newer ones are a little noisier but works all the same. Glad you have it going again! I'm sure you'll be sending pics and videos!

Jon


Post# 356353 , Reply# 22   6/11/2009 at 20:46 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Thanks for all your help Jon!

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I'll put up a few pics soon! I def owe you a beer!

Post# 356355 , Reply# 23   6/11/2009 at 20:51 (5,403 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
hey

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are you ever logged onto facebook?

Post# 356357 , Reply# 24   6/11/2009 at 21:05 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Here's some more pics...

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water testing the new boot - no leaks!

Post# 356360 , Reply# 25   6/11/2009 at 21:10 (5,403 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Gosh what a nice basket you have!

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Love that light blue!

Great work so far - looks like you're on your way to clean, fuzz-free washing again.


Post# 356367 , Reply# 26   6/11/2009 at 21:26 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
hehe

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thanks Greg! I get many compliments... and yes, the wash basket is nice too! ;-)

And yes Jon, I'm on Facebook periodically but idon't like to chat on there - it gets hung up for some reason.

Here's another pic - happily filter-floing again
:-D


Post# 356369 , Reply# 27   6/11/2009 at 21:31 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
the smiling happy Filter Flo

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it looks like its smiling and i would be too - running like a top!

Post# 356380 , Reply# 28   6/11/2009 at 22:04 (5,403 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
That reminds me...

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That picture of it washing has me asking a question...

Would you be willing to take a some pictures of the low, medium, and high water levels? I have a feeling my water levels for everything below high are a bit more than they should be. Low seems more like medium compared to what I remember from other GEs. Might need to locate an older water level switch. Not a big deal though.

The machine you have is beautiful! Congrats on a succesful fix. Should be good to go for another 40 years!

Jon


Post# 356410 , Reply# 29   6/11/2009 at 23:21 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
You are not alone on that one!

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I thought the same thing about mine - I bet they are the same! Mine is more than half way for Medium and Large is only about an inch from the bottom of the filter flo pan. Part of me wonders if this was an adjustment they made when they started to claim 16 lbs on the 14lb tub? But mine does the same thing! I'm not worrying about it unless it overflows. I usually wash a full load anyway when I wash because we have such awful water shortages here in SoCal. If I have a few things - I DO use the mini basket though - I LOVE it! So let me know what you think - I'm glad you mentioned it actually...

And thanks again for your help!
Matt


Post# 356413 , Reply# 30   6/11/2009 at 23:40 (5,403 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Call me old school...

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... but I was just BORED TO TEARS watching the vids of the new GE Infusor washer - It doesn't do much compared to the old FF's and one circuit malfunction and BYE BYE! Not on a good old FF - they are like energizer bunnies!

I LOVE 'EM!


Post# 356484 , Reply# 31   6/12/2009 at 08:57 (5,403 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Great pictures Matt and yes boiling water or a heat gun (used carefully) goes a long way to getting stuck things removed.

Part of me wonders if this was an adjustment they made when they started to claim 16 lbs on the 14lb tub?

When I first got my 1961 V12 GE it filled only to right below the ballast rim on high water level, I thought maybe the pressure switch had come out of adjustment so I adjusted the switch to raise the water level up to about 1/3 up the rim, but now I wonder if it was really only meant to fill up to the rim???


Post# 356491 , Reply# 32   6/12/2009 at 09:15 (5,403 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA)        
My filter flo

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Just to add to ya'lls comments. My Filter Flo fills high on small and medium. Small is more like a medium fill, and medium is more like 3/4 full. Large level is about an inch below the filter pan.

That reminds me...I need to track down a mini basket. I use the mini wash a lot....just without the basket. It still works for small loads. :)

Hi Matt...long time no chat. Jon, you too. :)


Post# 356498 , Reply# 33   6/12/2009 at 09:54 (5,403 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
GE didn't care much about water conservation back then.

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When I first got my 1961 V12 GE it filled only to right below the ballast rim on high water level, I thought maybe the pressure switch had come out of adjustment so I adjusted the switch to raise the water level up to about 1/3 up the rim, but now I wonder if it was really only meant to fill up to the rim???

On both our old V-12's "Large 10-12 Lbs." meant the fill came up to the top of the balast rim curve, "6-10" was at the bottom of the rim curve and "Under 6" was 2 inches below the balast rim curve. Wash water would geyser out of those machines on the low setting if you took the filter pan off(which, of course, I did).


Post# 356612 , Reply# 34   6/12/2009 at 18:51 (5,402 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Water Levels...

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Ok, mini-wash water level is just fine. My high water level is exactly at the level of the filter pan, medium is just to the curve of the tub, and low is the top row of holes on the wash-basket. I used to remember low being closer to bottom row of holes about 2 inches lower, medium being at the top row, and high being where it is now, all the way to the filter pan.

Just curious though.

Jon


Post# 356619 , Reply# 35   6/12/2009 at 20:00 (5,402 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Here it is filling...

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Took this picture as to reference the 3 rows of holes.

Post# 356620 , Reply# 36   6/12/2009 at 20:01 (5,402 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Low

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Goes to just at or slightly above the top row on the "low" water level.

Post# 356621 , Reply# 37   6/12/2009 at 20:02 (5,402 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Medium...

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Just at the curve of the tub. On later models this became the highest water level. (and apparently some earlier models)

Post# 356622 , Reply# 38   6/12/2009 at 20:04 (5,402 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
High

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Completely submerges agitator vanes and comes right up to and almost touching the filter pan. (This is why I liked these V-16 models, they use every inche of that washtub with the water level being so high)

Post# 356623 , Reply# 39   6/12/2009 at 20:05 (5,402 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
One more...

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just to show the filter pan in regards to the water level. Would love anyone else taking water level photos like these for comparison. I'm still thinking my lower water levels are too high.

jon


Post# 356642 , Reply# 40   6/12/2009 at 22:19 (5,402 days old) by tristarcxl ()        
Here's mine...

Mine's a mid 80's model, but the "Low" setting seems awfully high. Like ridiculously high!

Here's the setting for the mini-basket, which seems about right... I had to add a little soap to the water since you couldn't see the level against the black tub!


Post# 356643 , Reply# 41   6/12/2009 at 22:20 (5,402 days old) by tristarcxl ()        
Here's Low...

This is "low"......so much for doing a "small" load! For reference, on "Low" the basket is about 2/3 full of water.



Post# 356645 , Reply# 42   6/12/2009 at 22:21 (5,402 days old) by tristarcxl ()        
Medium...

And of course Medium...



Post# 356646 , Reply# 43   6/12/2009 at 22:22 (5,402 days old) by tristarcxl ()        
And High..

High on this one fills up to touch the bead in the tub...


Post# 356647 , Reply# 44   6/12/2009 at 22:23 (5,402 days old) by tristarcxl ()        
With the pan...

My camera sucks.....pardon the lousy picture quality on this one



Post# 356678 , Reply# 45   6/13/2009 at 02:18 (5,402 days old) by geextrarinse (Hudson Valley, New York )        
Jon and Tristarcxl

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These pics pretty much match mine as well. (Especially Jon's which is closest to my machine) I will try and photograph them tomorrow for you all but we are all in the same boat.


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