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Post# 364130   7/15/2009 at 10:25 (5,392 days old) by mark1973 ()        



Hi Guys

Im having a problem with my New wave. It keeps tripping the electrics and its driving us mad.

It would originally trip the electrics when a crack in the outer drum would leak onto the pump when it was on spin wash. After filling the crack and replacing the pump (As this was also leaking) I thought I had fixed it. It started tripping the elctrics again and I couldn't figure out what was doing it. I thought it maybe the motor arking but the motor is very good.

Now I have since worked out that it's when its filling with cold water. The only thing i can think of is that the cold water inlet valve is causing this problem but I wanted to ask the experts if this is possible? Im thinking the valve must have electricity going to it all the time and maybe its fluctuating or something.

It does trip the electrics also if I switch the machine back on to quickly after it has tripped for the first time (Does that make sense?). If I leave it a while it will be fine when I switch back on.

Its the only thing I can think of that's doing it.

I do have some spare valves so I will replace it and see what happenes.

Thanks Guys
Mark
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Post# 364146 , Reply# 1   7/15/2009 at 11:03 (5,392 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Make sure any water hasnt been sprayed around the cabinet from the leak & onto any electrics!!! get a hair/dog dryer or blower vac to thoroughly dry the electrics etc....then try... just had similar problem here!!!

Post# 364147 , Reply# 2   7/15/2009 at 11:03 (5,392 days old) by mark1973 ()        


Well that's my theory buggered!

Just put a replacement double cold valve on and selected rinse. It filled for about 5 seconds then "Ping" Electrics off again.

Post# 364151 , Reply# 3   7/15/2009 at 11:06 (5,392 days old) by mark1973 ()        


Hey Mike

Thanks for that. The other leaks were a while back so the electrics and cabinet are dry. No water anywere else.

Could be anumber of things I guess..Maybe the control board?

Mark
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Post# 364170 , Reply# 4   7/15/2009 at 11:29 (5,392 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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I hope its u p and running again

I cant help as i dont undertsand stuff like that

BTW- I love new waves- maybe ask darren aitcho86 to help as he's used new waves (a few)

Post# 364200 , Reply# 5   7/15/2009 at 12:28 (5,392 days old) by zodawash (Lincolnshire,United Kingdom)        
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It really could be any number of componants causing it to trip but inspect the wiring for any that might have worn through and touch the cabinet or metal componants. I had a tripping problem on an old Servis and after careful examination of the wiring there was a tiny bit of insulation worn away on a wire going to the cold fill valve that touched the cabinet and tripped the power. Also check the heating element. Good luck.
Steve

Post# 364214 , Reply# 6   7/15/2009 at 13:21 (5,392 days old) by bertrum ()        
Tripping

 Hi

I have never known the inlet valves trip the electrics, (they normally just go open circuit).

Something is going strait to earth so it really shoul'nt be too hard to find.
If you have access to a meggar meter, you can use it to isolate individual components and test them individually for earth leaks.

As Steve says, start at the heating element and the motor are favourites, also woth checking the suppressor.

Some of these earth leaks can be tricky to find if its a wiring fault but its unlikely to be this on a softwave.

Probably teaching you to suck eggs but, Dont test anything live!

good luck.

Post# 364218 , Reply# 7   7/15/2009 at 13:41 (5,392 days old) by mark1973 ()        


Hi Guys

Thank you very much for your comments / help on this one.

Well ive been trying to find it all evening. I think I may have got somewhere. It looks like its related / Is the pressure switch. It fills with water and as soon as the pressure switch clicks it trips.

Im sorry but just had a look for a new one and I certainly cannot afford to pay £48 for 1..what a bloody cheek!

Post# 364222 , Reply# 8   7/15/2009 at 13:54 (5,392 days old) by bertrum ()        

the pressure switch normally shares a neutral feed with the heating element, try disconnecting the 3 element terminals and testing again.

Just an idea. . .

Post# 364233 , Reply# 9   7/15/2009 at 15:02 (5,392 days old) by mark1973 ()        

Thanks very much bertrum for your help

If it's the heating element then the machine is going to the tip. Im not able to replace an element as that is beyond my capability and skills with machines. Plus I certainly do not have £30 plus for a new element.

I will strip the machine of useful parts as you never know I may find another new wave one day.

Cheers
Mark

Post# 364238 , Reply# 10   7/15/2009 at 15:25 (5,392 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Bad Luck Mark.

Only just stumbled across the thread and am gutted that it is deemed terminal.

Great machines, that i only recently began to appreciate. Was a tad upset at being outbid a couple of months back on a final series silver 1500 new wave. That was the moment that I knew I wanted to save one.

Good luck in the hunt for another - it shouldnt (with a bit of luck) be too long before you stumble across another one. The last two good ones have both been in Scotland!

Here's to the Hoover New Waves - a truly stylish machine.

Paul
p.s and here was me starting a rough new wave etc spreadsheet, just a couple of nights ago! Not complete and very much a work in progress.

Post# 364259 , Reply# 11   7/15/2009 at 16:55 (5,392 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
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 Hi Mark,

I wish I was around the corner so I could nip round with my insulation resistance meter, but as everyone else has suggested, disconnect each component in turn, to hopefully identify the fault. I would also guess at the heating element, even when the heater is off, a breakdown in its insulation can give a neutral to earth fault, there is enough induced current in the neutral line to trip the rcd. Check the thermostats to, if you suspect they may have got wet in the past.

Also even a good motor can leak a current to earth, if it is coated in dust from the brushes, so If you do find it is the motor try cleaning the dust from around the comutator area.

I found on one machine a few years back, the motor would run perfectly until the fastest spin and then trip, by useing the air compressor I was able to blast the motor clean of dust and solve the problem. This is something I do to most older motors I come across, and contraversially I find the Hotpoint motors harbour considerably more carbon dust than the Hoovers, thats just my findings.

Well in short, before you give up, just make sure everything is clean and dry, even slight dampness can cause a trip. Failing that, save all the parts, reinstall your A3060 and enjoy a classic hoover, lol all the best Mathew

Post# 364473 , Reply# 12   7/16/2009 at 08:22 (5,392 days old) by mark1973 ()        


Just a message to say thank you to everyone for your input.

Hi Paul..Yes it is sad. Although I saved this machine from being scrapped I was hoping it would be my daily machine for at leat 6 months - 1 year before it gave up. It was not my intention to keep it as part of the collection as it's kinda in a bad way both mechanically and cosmetically (Although it was great to get a decent motor as ive never had good experiences with older Hoover motors). I was hoping though to enjoy it longer than a month!

P.s Paul just a small change to your new wave listing..The machine is an ac174 and its dated March 93 so your just 1 year out on your chart.

Hi matthew..It appears to be the heating element so unfortunately it has to be broken down for parts. I wish a had an engineer who lived locally who loves to keep old machines going but alas I sadly do not. The motor is good as I dissconnected it but it still tripped. Im going to use the WM41 and the 1509 as the "in use" machines. Im giving the 3060 a rest at the mo. Shes a good old girl but don't want to overwork her.

Thanks again guys!

Mark
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Post# 364505 , Reply# 13   7/16/2009 at 09:43 (5,392 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
STOP!!!

 Don't scrap a good machine because it needs a heating element. That is about as silly as scrapping a car because it needs new wiper blades. (no offence intended, but you get the idea.)

The heating element is VERY easy to replace. It is a 15 minute job. Surely one of the lovely lads on this website can help - post some detailed instructions, donate a spare good used element, drive up and lend a hand...something like that.

I am not at home at present, but if there is no helpful posts here in a coupla days, I will give you instructions. And I probably have an element to fit, as long as it is the same as earlier Hoover washers, which were sold here for a while, so I could post it if no-one else can send you one.

Meanwhile, you could try simply disconnecting the heating element. If it is the element at fault, then it will probably continue the cycle without heating, though it might get stuck at the heating phase of the cycle. (some machines wait until the correct temperature is reached,if that temp isn't reached it will sit all day waiting. Others allow a certain time to heat and if not up to temp, finish the cycle anyway. Not sure what yours will do.)

Chris.

Post# 364537 , Reply# 14   7/16/2009 at 11:01 (5,391 days old) by mark1973 ()        

Hi Chris

Thanks for your message but this machine really is at the end of its's life.

It has another major problem internally in that the previous owners left a leaking pump unfixed for quite a while. This has caused the major support structure to become very rusty. The suspension is fixed to this along with the pump (The reason why it sat in water for so long and rusted badly). The outer drum has a fatigue crack and although I have filled it another crack could easily appear somewhere else.
The suspension is also starting to go.

In its previous life water had been leaking from the dispenser drawer for quite some time also as the previous owners did not realise just turning down the water pressure would have cured this. This has caused all round behind the drawer and along under the fascia to rust badly. Rust was coming off and going into the drawer along with the water. I sorted this by sealing round the drawer and of course having the water pressure at a level which would not cause a leak.

The "Wave" lens on the dispenser drawer is also missing.

The door seal leaks.

There is rust forming around the door and underneath at the bottom due to the seal leaking.

I fixed the machine up as well as I could with the knowledge and spare parts that I had. I was not intending to spend any money on the machine as it was not good enough to keep as part of the collection. Actually I lie I spent a small amount on some new motor brushes as these were worn down and nearly finished.

It was working the best it could and I was happy to use it as an everyday machine until it finally gave out. It's just like I said earlier that I was not expecting it to only last a month. I was hoping to get 6 months - 1 year out of it.

Im happy to strip it for parts.

Mark
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Post# 364539 , Reply# 15   7/16/2009 at 11:10 (5,391 days old) by mark1973 ()        


Hi Chris

Was not sure if my message sounded a bit abrupt. It was not meant that way.

I understand that everyone here wants to save machines from being scrapped and I do to but sometimes you just have to give in and strip them. If it was in great shape internally / Mechanically / Cosmetically I assure you I would not be so quick in giving up on it. It just needs to much work and money thrown at it.

Mark
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Post# 364601 , Reply# 16   7/16/2009 at 15:29 (5,391 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
AC178

 Ours was bought in April 1993.

It had various faults that were corrected in later models, but ours never had the Hoover engineer away from it (continually aborting its programmes, leaking drawer, door interlock peg kept wearing down, heater short-circuited). Mum was glad to see it go!

Eventually they do become uneconomical to repair, and the parts are no longer stocked.

Post# 364810 , Reply# 17   7/17/2009 at 09:06 (5,391 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Mark

Absolutely no offence taken, I didn't think your message was abrupt. In fact, I was a bit worried you would think the same about my post.

I have had two relatives in serious car accidents recently, I live five hours drive away and have been going up at least weekly to visit them in hospital, so I am really tired at present, when I do post here it is very brief and to the point. No time to stuff about polishing up the rough edges of my words.

Best Wishes

Chris.

Post# 366001 , Reply# 18   7/21/2009 at 17:58 (5,386 days old) by electradeluxe (Blackpool, Lancs)        

we had a new wave 1100,we bought it in 1995 and it run for ten years without a problem,then the computer panel went so we had to buy a new one,it was a brilliant machine!!

Post# 366300 , Reply# 19   7/22/2009 at 17:01 (5,385 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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As the username would imply, i've been a fan of hoover newwaves for along time. I've had 2 of them now! They were innovative and washed and rinsed very well.

Its a shame you've had problems with this one mark. Prehaps you will find another!!

My zanussi fj1033 had a similar problem, drippin water was leaking onto the motor i think, i had a twiddle around and thought i'd fixed it and water sprayed all over the inside of the cabinet. So i gave up.

Darren


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