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Post# 376120 9/1/2009 at 09:21 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk  (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 376123 , Reply# 1 9/1/2009 at 09:28 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora Washer & Dryer | ||
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Post# 376124 , Reply# 2 9/1/2009 at 09:31 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376125 , Reply# 3 9/1/2009 at 09:34 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
| Post# 376126 , Reply# 4 9/1/2009 at 09:35 (5,343 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer  | ||
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Post# 376127 , Reply# 5 9/1/2009 at 09:37 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376129 , Reply# 6 9/1/2009 at 09:41 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
| Post# 376131 , Reply# 7 9/1/2009 at 09:42 (5,343 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove) | ||
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Post# 376132 , Reply# 8 9/1/2009 at 09:45 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376133 , Reply# 9 9/1/2009 at 09:47 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376134 , Reply# 10 9/1/2009 at 09:50 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376135 , Reply# 11 9/1/2009 at 09:52 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376137 , Reply# 12 9/1/2009 at 09:55 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376139 , Reply# 13 9/1/2009 at 10:02 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer
All I need to do now is peel off the protective visor cover and switch on selecting the installation programme, which creates an very unbalanced load (the baffles use water fill for balancing - so it pumps 1 full, 1 half & one empty)the machine then goes into a fast spin and if its levelled correctly then it stops, OR flashes "CHECK STABILITY"
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Post# 376141 , Reply# 14 9/1/2009 at 10:08 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376142 , Reply# 15 9/1/2009 at 10:14 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376144 , Reply# 16 9/1/2009 at 10:22 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376146 , Reply# 17 9/1/2009 at 10:25 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
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Post# 376149 , Reply# 18 9/1/2009 at 10:31 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora Washer & Dryer | ||
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Post# 376150 , Reply# 19 9/1/2009 at 10:34 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Square Corners | ||
| Post# 376151 , Reply# 20 9/1/2009 at 10:34 (5,343 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove) | ||
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Post# 376152 , Reply# 21 9/1/2009 at 10:39 (5,343 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora SLQ Washer & Heat Pump Dryer | ||
| Post# 376157 , Reply# 22 9/1/2009 at 11:13 (5,343 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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Changes with age | ||
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Post# 376158 , Reply# 23 9/1/2009 at 11:14 (5,343 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Waaaaaaaah, Waaaaaaaah! I Want One! I Want One! | ||
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Post# 376159 , Reply# 24 9/1/2009 at 11:37 (5,343 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 376163 , Reply# 25 9/1/2009 at 12:10 (5,343 days old) by paulinroyton (B) | ||
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Wow Hi Mike They look really well built machines, like Miele, don,t like the price, lol Regard Paul | ||
| Post# 376164 , Reply# 26 9/1/2009 at 12:26 (5,343 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
Hello, Mike. I have never met you, but admired your collection of machines for years. I remember when you first posted these incredible machines awhile ago and was truly blown away when I saw that they had a WETCLEANING! cycle. And that Basket that has many, many micro-mini holes, and interesting wash baffles. Well, congratulations on the pair! I guess you won't be coming up for air in about a week lol They are truly QUALITY machines and you want get them here in the states so I have to share yours with your pics and possibly videos. So what is the RPM on the spin please? And where are your ASKO pair going?.. Enjoy them. I know you will Darren K | ||
| Post# 376168 , Reply# 27 9/1/2009 at 12:46 (5,343 days old) by rudin1969 (Italy) | ||
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Mike well done! I've had a VZug Adora SLQ for a couple a months -- bought it in Switzerland. I'm curious to hear what you think about it. | ||
| Post# 376169 , Reply# 28 9/1/2009 at 12:46 (5,343 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys) | ||
hotpoint 95622 | ||
| Post# 376175 , Reply# 30 9/1/2009 at 12:58 (5,343 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom) | ||
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| Post# 376196 , Reply# 32 9/1/2009 at 15:04 (5,343 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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WONDERFUL | ||
| Post# 376200 , Reply# 33 9/1/2009 at 15:27 (5,343 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom) | ||
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| Post# 376218 , Reply# 34 9/1/2009 at 17:07 (5,343 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
Mike... | ||
| Post# 376240 , Reply# 35 9/1/2009 at 18:18 (5,342 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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| Post# 376332 , Reply# 36 9/2/2009 at 04:12 (5,342 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent) | ||
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If miele ever goes out of business... hopefully V-zug has it's TOL models available for me! BTW is V-zug part of the BSH group or so? (The transportbolts reminded me of BSH, so does the manual lay-out) | ||
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Post# 376372 , Reply# 37 9/2/2009 at 12:54 (5,342 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Adorable Adora
Thanks everyone for the messages, am busy doing pics n vids!!! Phillip: 1600rpm 8kg load, it just hums on spin and the motor just powers through the revs!! Gary: i dont think you`ll be finding many of these in later years!!...lol almost are indestructable!!! good speaking to you this morning!! Laundress: I`ll see what I can sort out!!! you would love the dryer I`m sure, it just seems to "SUCK" the moisture from the clothes, not noticed excess heat like a condenser, AND a dryer thats quiet without being vented! Louis: yes have just ordered a mains power pack for the camera, I`ll take you throught the progs...dont forget, only 45mins from Manchester. Paul, yes along the same lines but with a difference I`m liking... Darren K: yes dont worry the Maytag Asko`s are staying, I just love those machines, especially the styling as they both look identical, thats the only thing that bugs me about the Adoras!! loving the clothesline special by the way!! Rudin: Congratulations, will have to compare wash results, so far great for me!!! Lee: yes very easy to use, Touch & Go, as well as variables. Doesnt have a Start/Stop button though, automatically start after 20secs following programme selection or switches off if not in use. Rolls Rapide: Oh yes that was my first thought, anti flood device that breaks your pipes - not good, have asked the question about whats required Dyson2Drums: installed on friday just before the gang decended for the weekend, still finding my way around the programming, so far so good. Bertrum: you wouldnt, they are just released into UK, 5yrs guarantee covered by Independant Service, not promoted as Semi-Commercial, will do more inside pics Toggles: WetClean with a Steam Finish?? what do you reckon?? Darren: Gotta get some dates sorted!!! having just installed them the existing plumbing dictated the installation, didnt want to put any extra weight on my pipes with the anti-flood device, I prefer them the other way round like the Maytag (which are well staying.. Lol) have not turned the dryer door as am waiting for a stacking kit to take some Stack photos for the shop!! Chris: Adorable indeed, the visitors couldnt wait to strip their beds n use it...LOl VintageHoover: Jack -no problem, glad you got to see them, - yes pixiedust indeedy!!if you get a chance look at the Vintage Zugs with Louis - marvellous!! AskoMiele: similar but thats where it ends, the user manuals are very Swedish, written like my previous pair Top Inside: polydrum in two halves, solid metal harness supports, 
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| Post# 376380 , Reply# 38 9/2/2009 at 13:02 (5,342 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys) | ||
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hotpoint 95622 | ||
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Post# 376385 , Reply# 39 9/2/2009 at 13:07 (5,342 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Rear
The baseplate is a few inches thick of moulded polycarbon, very rigid and lots of fibre side panel sound insulation. The three moulded pipes on the LHS from the water inlet / powder dispenser are the baffle stability fill pipes, the first time I used it I couldnt make out what was happening, fill inject stop fill inject stop as it was spinning.... And what other washer has its own Black Box of tricks..thats the speed / motor controller and on board computer linked to the top panel. It uses the power of the water heater for the STEAM function, which makes sense of exisiting technology and as steam rises its in the right place under the drum to start with. 
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Post# 376392 , Reply# 40 9/2/2009 at 13:16 (5,342 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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V-Zug Adora with ....
VAS - Vibration Absorbing System, diagram showing how the water is pumped to the baffles individually to aid vibration & stability!! When I first saw the Zug Adora I thought it pumped water to the baffles like the Titan did for washing!!! As it has a water jet that showers the clothes as well I like this version of events better...
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| Post# 376589 , Reply# 41 9/3/2009 at 12:20 (5,341 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Here are some of my pictures of these great machines.... 
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| Post# 376591 , Reply# 42 9/3/2009 at 12:21 (5,341 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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simple button control, with options... 
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| Post# 376592 , Reply# 43 9/3/2009 at 12:22 (5,341 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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the dryer... 
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| Post# 376593 , Reply# 44 9/3/2009 at 12:23 (5,341 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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open wide! 
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| Post# 376594 , Reply# 45 9/3/2009 at 12:23 (5,341 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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the dryer control panel... 
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| Post# 376595 , Reply# 46 9/3/2009 at 12:25 (5,341 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Seamus programmes... 
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| Post# 376598 , Reply# 47 9/3/2009 at 12:29 (5,341 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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while, later in the day, Jack films... 
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| Post# 376628 , Reply# 48 9/3/2009 at 14:44 (5,341 days old) by bertrum () | ||
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ahhhh carboran/ polydrum very disapointing. bring back the ASKO pair! | ||
| Post# 376629 , Reply# 49 9/3/2009 at 15:33 (5,341 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK) | ||
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Nice looking machine. Never seen one before. The top has a kind of 'traditional' look to it but the door and drum etc look modern, shame about the Poly tub - very similar to the Electrolux group Carboran tubs. Great machine though. | ||
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Post# 376632 , Reply# 50 9/3/2009 at 16:07 (5,341 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Was Reading The Owner's Manual
For this washer and it tis a rather interesting beast. First and foremost the washer is designed for those living in multi-family housing (lofts, apartments, etc), thus the emphasis on anti-vibration and silence when running. Cold fill only, but a powerful enough heater to get water boiling quite quickly, this also functions to make steam for those cycles. Bio cycle uses stepped washing temperatures (starts cold, holds at warm for a bit, then goes onto whatever high temp one has requested). Dispenses the detergent first, then sends the bleach down once the unit resumes heating for the "boil wash" or "hot wash" portion. Soap wash cycle dispenses water conditioner first, then after several minutes sends the soap detergent down into the drum. This mimics how laundry should be done when using pure soap or soap based detergents in that water is first softened with chemicals to bind minerals, then soap is added. This means less soap is required because of the soft water, and also helps prevent scum from forming. Turbidity sensor adjusts washing and rinsing to suit soil levels. However one can also choose soil levels as part of wash program. Wetcleaning cycle, steam cleaning cycle for various clothing, and the unit can even steam clean itself. This last bit replaces the need for maintenence wash cycles. Still, only a 5kg load size, which is normal for Europe, the UK and elsewhere, still seems small by US standards. As for the "plastic" outer tub, think pretty much all high end washers are going that way, Miele and so forth. Allows one bit less stainless steel, and does cut down a bit on weight. I mean the stuff is used for hulls on yachts that cost very dear and one has not heard many complaints. L. | ||
| Post# 376640 , Reply# 51 9/3/2009 at 16:52 (5,341 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent) | ||
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I thought the Adora SLQ was an 8 KG machine... and it fits in the miele class, meaning it will hold more than you can ever think of... ;) | ||
| Post# 376644 , Reply# 52 9/3/2009 at 17:14 (5,341 days old) by zodawash (Lincolnshire,United Kingdom) | ||
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Post# 376653 , Reply# 53 9/3/2009 at 17:44 (5,340 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Drum Size
yes its deffo an 8kg "LARGE" drum...was able to get two double bed complete sets in it no problem, 2 x duvets covers, bottom sheets and 8 pillow cases.... Outer Drum: yes I was disapointed not to be SS, unless the new Asko`s are changed to poly as well, the new range of Maytagaskos as well as the old have much to offer in price, features and functionality... Bio Wash: this one is interesting, anyone seeing that on the control panel and not reading the book would assume Wash starts from cold and heats up in profile stages.....this Zug programe has a second stage when using two part multi-component detergent, i.e. Alkaline Detergent + Bleach Part one: first the alkaline detergent with softener is added to the wash from the MAIN wash compartment & then suds are heated to 40c, then.. Part two: Around 6 mins later the bleach component is added via compartment one, the pre-wash compartment... Does anybody know of any Euro detergents (household) that do this??? 
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| Post# 376656 , Reply# 54 9/3/2009 at 17:48 (5,340 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Post# 376675 , Reply# 56 9/3/2009 at 19:36 (5,340 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Hi Mike, Great looking machines. Do you know what the drum volume is? According to their website they arrive in AU in October. Cheers Nathan | ||
| Post# 376747 , Reply# 58 9/3/2009 at 22:37 (5,340 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Post# 376753 , Reply# 59 9/3/2009 at 22:54 (5,340 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Sorry about the mix up in washer capacity/size, must have gotten hold of a manual for a different model. Must be some very hard water in V-Zug land as it makes so many references to water conditioners. Most laundry detergents sold in the EU/UK are more than capable of dealing with the often rock hard water in some areas. Though one can purchase either soda crystals or Calgon to soften water as well, but many washing machine repairmen say it is really not required if one is dosing detergent correctly. Noticed the thing about dispensing "bleach" later in the cycle as well. For those in the USA note that when European washing machine makers and others refer to bleach, they most always mean oxygen type, not chlorine. One can purchase all and sundry sorts of oxygen bleaches to add to wash cycles in the EU/UK. Range goes from Vanish type stain removers to "FleckenSalz" to liquid hydrogen peroxide. The powders are mainly sodium percarbonate which is rapidly replacing sodium perborate in EU/UK for various reasons. IIRC most TOL and even MOL laundry detergents in the EU/UK are still designed for long step cycle washes, even if the final wash temperature is less than "boiling". This is also possible with detergents labled designed for "quick washes". Find when using Persil, things are normally clean long before the water reaches boiling, this is perhaps Henkel's push to promote cleaning in cold or cool water. | ||
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Post# 376768 , Reply# 60 9/4/2009 at 02:46 (5,340 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Water Hardness
Yes Laundress, Switzerland has all degres of water from Very hard in the North, Hard in the Mid Regions and Soft in the Southern regions, the instruction book even mentions a User Defined Setting for "Soft Water Regions" such as Ticino in the South of Switzerland... SOFT WATER: This user defined setting gives a slightly reduced wash action to prevent excessive foaming, the amount of rinse water is increased by adding extra rinses and the water levels are higher.... Well it certainly covers all options, I think the user manual needs to have an addendum for country specific...although we use OxyAction type bleaches such as Vanish and softeners such as Calgon, these are promoted as adding it to the washpowder altogether... So this is possibly the only household machine that could optimise these products...although for soft water washing with Soap based powder the water softener is added to pre-wash compartment and not main wash as we do now!!! Ohh.. look out helpdesk!!! 
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Post# 376776 , Reply# 61 9/4/2009 at 04:04 (5,340 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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In Germany and perhaps in some other German speaking countries you can find "Baukasten Waschmittel" in some stores. These detergents exist of separate components that you can buy as you need them. The components are: 1. basic detergent 2. water softener 3. oxygen bleach 4. scent You add as much from each of them as you want. V-Zug is optimized for using these "Baukasten Waschmittel". My AEG Öko Lavamat 6450 has the possibility to ad water softener before the detergent. | ||
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Post# 376779 , Reply# 62 9/4/2009 at 04:31 (5,340 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Multi-Component Powder
Louis, very interesting, makes sense if water conditions are so different... Would that break down further into synthetic powders and Soap based powders, I take it these are not mainstream Henkel type powders etc?? Nathan: Drum volume is 60ltrs, 1kg / 8kg capacity, does look huge even though the VAS balancing baffles are big!!! Melvin: yes very solid and do weigh a ton, Darren: Wetclean cycle will do later today!!am very pleased to say the only thing holding me back is the day job!!! Chris: yes , and a lot longer I hope, have asked about computer updates for the next decade...LOL 
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Post# 376783 , Reply# 63 9/4/2009 at 04:49 (5,340 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Soap Based "Detergents"
Such as Le Chat's "Savon de Marseille" soap chips, are very popular in many parts of Europe. Products basically are mainly soap with some sort of water softener, and or chemical surfactants,scent and perhaps bluing. Many Europeans think soap is better for laundering especially for fine linens and baby's things. Not to mention "tree huggers", and other "Greens" who avoid petro-chemicals where possible Don't know if one can purchase STPP (phosphates) in Europe to use as a water softener. Many European/UK detergents contain lots of the stuff, but never have seen it on supermarket shelves. Lux soap flakes used to be sold in the UK, but then they vanished. IIRC another company brought back soap flakes and has a decent consumer base. Problem with soap in a front loader is that it creates scum and can promote mould if one is not careful. Though have tons of various laundry soaps, am pretty much giving up on the stuff after finding mould growing in the pump area. Never have that problem when using TOL detergents such as Persil. This even though Persil contains about 5% soap. | ||
| Post# 376819 , Reply# 64 9/4/2009 at 11:44 (5,340 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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Vzug
This machine seems to turn everything on its head, every aspect of washing clothes has been looked at and thought through and then a machine designed and built to carry out these tasks When you look at mainstream machines they are a joke by comparison, absolutely amazing this one though.........a combination of superb build and high technology, which is how it should be. It just shows how cheap electronics have ruined mainstream washing machines........just glitter boxes with no substance to them.......... I too was taken aback when i saw it had a stainless steel tub, though i did notice the decent size bearings :-)........... Well done Mike and thanks for restoring my faith in modern designed machines. Gary | ||
| Post# 376821 , Reply# 65 9/4/2009 at 12:26 (5,340 days old) by rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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ECOVER Washing Powder + ECOVER Bleach Powder A few years ago, you could buy Ecover's washing powder and a packet of Ecover oxygen bleach powder. Could this be the reason for that cycle? | ||
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Post# 376829 , Reply# 66 9/4/2009 at 13:44 (5,340 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 376882 , Reply# 69 9/4/2009 at 18:18 (5,339 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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| Post# 376906 , Reply# 72 9/4/2009 at 19:27 (5,339 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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| Post# 376907 , Reply# 73 9/4/2009 at 19:31 (5,339 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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When it comes to capacity and capability here, Choice will test the machine at it's stated capacity to ensure that the playing field is level..... ...I've seen pictures and read articles where the machine can not physically hold the stated capacity (American manufacturers being particularly guilty)...so it will be interesting to see how it performs here at the stated capacity on a normal cycle with a cold water (yuck) wash.... Which I would completely ignore and wash at 40c anyway! | ||
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Post# 376987 , Reply# 74 9/5/2009 at 04:49 (5,339 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Not totally by coincidence I was in a German supermarket yesterday and saw the Skip products there. This capacity overrating is a hype that should be dealt with as soon as possible by the European consumer organisations. I think a test with a standard load of laundry should do it. Weigh it and try to stuff it in! I'm sorry that V-Zug is going with this stupid hype. BTW, now I have seen these washer and dryer next to eachother I noticed that they are not completely matching. The design of the bottom part of the front is different. It's actually just like GE with the Filter Flo machines. The front panel of the washer ends at the bottom while the dryer has an extra panel and a small baseboard. | ||
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