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Post# 70963   6/20/2005 at 14:49 (6,856 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

My mother is getting a a dishwasher for her kitchen, and I need some input from you guys on what is the best unit. She is looking for one that is very quiet, yet will get the worst grime off of food, especially without pre-rinsing.

Lowe's recommended a G.E. Triton dishwasher, but I noticed that they don't have a rinse & hold function, which I think my Mom would like, but the people at Lowe's said they are the quietest on the market...Do you all agree? I sort of prefer Bosch myself...how do these compare to G.E?





Post# 70965 , Reply# 1   6/20/2005 at 15:41 (6,856 days old) by westytoploader ()        

We have a Bosch SHU43C06 (4-cycle). Very powerful, but whisper-quiet; it has a stainless tub, a center-mounted spray arm (meaning no wash tower to get in the way), and a top-mounted "shower spray". The upper rack is adjustable/removeable as well. It was rated #2 for performance in the March 2005 issue of CR. CR states that the reliability of Bosch machines isn't that great, but so far we haven't had any problems.

I'd say go with Bosch!

--Austin


Post# 70966 , Reply# 2   6/20/2005 at 16:13 (6,856 days old) by agiflow ()        

Sears Ultra Wash models or Kitchenaid models are excellent performers also.

Post# 70968 , Reply# 3   6/20/2005 at 16:36 (6,856 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New dishwasher needed...opinions?

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I like my GE TALL TUB - Great capicity and cleans very well.
Peter


Post# 70969 , Reply# 4   6/20/2005 at 16:45 (6,856 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
New dishwasher needed...opinions?

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I'd go with the Bosch. I've had mine for 3 years now and love it. It cleans very well and is probably the quietest I've ever heard, or not heard LOL!

Post# 70980 , Reply# 5   6/20/2005 at 18:28 (6,855 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Personaly the GE use a lot of water, but do a good job.

I dont like the Bosch's silverware basket in the center of the lower rack. Kills ability to load multiple pots. It also does not have a heated dry, which i never use anyway!

IMHO go stainless interior. For the money the frigidaire is a good deal if you inisist on plastic tub. Kenmore now slaps their badge on them for their lower end (no more GE) machines and whirlpool still makes the higher end stuff.


Post# 70984 , Reply# 6   6/20/2005 at 19:17 (6,855 days old) by Stevezasycho ()        
Siemens or LG.. Not a GE..

Siemens.. THe one with the hidden controls on the top.. It has the silverware basket you can take apart and move the segments all over the interior.. If not the Siemens, the LG is 2 dB quieter, and both models allow for versatility

Post# 71004 , Reply# 7   6/20/2005 at 23:43 (6,855 days old) by PeteK (Ontari ari ari O )        
Sorry but it's gotta be Miele for me

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They're superb dishwashers and virtually silent. Mines 5 or 6 now and haven't had a problem with it. Never ever ever have to prerinse no matter how stuck on dry hard stuff is on the plates etc. Have built in water containment in case of leaks. Built in water softner if needed. Buy the least expensive model you can find, all are basically the same other than extra cycles or hidden controls.

Post# 71025 , Reply# 8   6/21/2005 at 07:47 (6,855 days old) by Stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
ditto what Agiflow said

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We purchased a Kenmore badged Whirlpool tall tub. Sears model number is 1602. Definitely would go with a tall tub design if we had to do it again. The Quick Rinse feature is great for using minimal water rather than rinsing a greasy pot or what-have-you in the sink instead (I usually just add a tablespoon of enzyme based detergent and let her rip!) Also has what Sears calls the 'Smart Wash' feature, which provides a true heated dry. I can take dishes out of the machine literally five minutes after the cycle is over and almost everything is warm and dry. The cups with indents have a little puddle on them but that's it. I personally didn't like the capacity of the Bosch on display and Miele sure sounds great but is considerably more $$$$. My Mom has a GE Triton and says she likes it and that it is very quiet. This 1602 is also quiet.

Post# 71038 , Reply# 9   6/21/2005 at 10:34 (6,855 days old) by geodon2000 ()        
It's not your Mother's KitchenAid...

I bought the KUDP01L at Lowe's last year...
Clearly, the poorest dishwasher I have ever owned...
And I have had many different brands over the years...
In fact, the first dishwasher we had, a GE in 1962, was a superior cleaner to the KitchenAid, albeit noisier...
Bosch is great, just be sure your Mother realizes the difference in rack size before she gets it home...
Geodon


Post# 71076 , Reply# 10   6/21/2005 at 17:56 (6,855 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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George, I'm glad to see you replaced that Frigidaire Precision Wash that came with your house.

Now George---!!, I'm surprised you opted for the KA given you'd had a Kenmore Ultrawash in your previous house, before you decided on the Maytag. It is amazing, essentially the same dishwasher and the KA doesn't perform as well as the Kenmore did.


Post# 71119 , Reply# 11   6/21/2005 at 22:32 (6,854 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        
kenMORE will score

The Kenmore Ultra Wash series are PHENOMENAL performers, have had one for 15 years, still going strong.The new ones are still great.What bugs me about the Bosch is the so called condensation drying, rather than a true heated dry .

Post# 71146 , Reply# 12   6/22/2005 at 04:15 (6,854 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
heated dry

I insist on a heated dry and a Rinse only cycle. I usually choose No Heat, but I like having the option of heat if I want it.

I would think most any modern MOL or TOL dishwasher performs well. The differences in cleaning ability between brands is much narrower than in the "Olden Days". The decision these days centers more around if you like the way it loads, it's reliability, price, quietness, plastic or stainless steel tub, water/power efficeincy. As Austin has stated, his 1975 WP cleans just as well as his new Bosch, but, the Bosch does it much more quietly.


Post# 71162 , Reply# 13   6/22/2005 at 08:33 (6,854 days old) by geodon2000 ()        
Bob...what a memory you have...

Each machine had strengths and weaknesses...
The Kenmore Tall Tub and the Bosch washed well, but dried poorly, regardless of the amount of rinse-aid used...and I refuse to towel dry dishes from a dishwasher...
The Frigidaire strengths were the silence and the quick cycles, but low wash/dry performance...
The Maytag was the best overall...
I bought the KitchenAid primarily for the styling...it dries well, even without any rinse-aid...but it also dries on the residue it refused to remove during the wash...
Geodon


Post# 71165 , Reply# 14   6/22/2005 at 08:50 (6,854 days old) by Stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
I consider the Kenmore 1602 as MOL

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and true it dries better with rinse agent...I wouldn't rule out such a machine because for the price it has a lot of good features. We only have to add rinse aid once a month and we use our machine almost every other day so we are not talking about a ton of the stuff. The 1602 has a neat rinse aid feature with a fill window (almost like a gas gauge) plus it has a dial that let's you increase or decrease the factory setting. I think ours is set on '6' (on a scale of '0' to '9') and it is doing really well. In terms of the moisture on cups it is negligible, coffee mugs it is about a teaspoon, just a dab of a dishtowel which may frustrate some but not enough to get me riled up...

Post# 71188 , Reply# 15   6/22/2005 at 12:30 (6,854 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        
Might I suggest....

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....a TOL Frigidaire dishwasher. Stainless steel on the outside only, but only about $500-550. Has some interesting features, my favorite being the option to wash only the top or bottom rack for 3.5 gallons of water. Handy for half-loads. I also like the Speed Clean cycle, which washes a full load in 50 minutes. It's not as silent as a Bosch, but it certainly isn't loud, either. The Turbo Boost option negates the dirt-sensing feature (which often needlessly adds additional water changes and makes the cycle longer) and boosts the water-action force by 30%.

I also like the Wash Silencer option. This decreases the water force slightly (and lengthens the wash portion of the cycle to compensate) and makes the dishwasher very, very quiet, just in case you're visiting in the kitchen.

I really like my machine. HOWEVER, stay away from all Frigidaire models but the TOL. They use an older wash system which is not as good. At only around $500, you can afford to go straight to the top of the line.


Post# 71199 , Reply# 16   6/22/2005 at 15:05 (6,854 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        

ABSOLUTELY true.The lower end Frigs have some of the worst washing ability,or lack thereof, of ANY dishwashers I have used,even if you use some of the newer enzyme detergents in them. There is just not enough oomph in their spray action,I've used one many times.The upper machines have skinnier spray arms that spray much better,and are nice machines. Personally, the Whirlpool made Ultra Wash machines , I believe are the best for the money.

Post# 71205 , Reply# 17   6/22/2005 at 16:08 (6,854 days old) by may63 (St. Paul MN)        

I have a Sears Ultra Wash. Great machine, super quiet.

Post# 71220 , Reply# 18   6/22/2005 at 17:54 (6,854 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

the previous owners of my house installed the lowest end BOL Fridigaire dishwasher that could be found just to sell the house. I didn't think it would be all that effective, but in the 6 years I've been here, the dishwasher has done quite well actually. Yes, it's an older design with the older style filter, instead of a garbage disposer, and other subtleties, but the dishes come out pretty well cleaned actually. My old "mobile maid" GE though does do a little bit better job with heavily soiled stuff though!

Post# 71231 , Reply# 19   6/22/2005 at 18:54 (6,853 days old) by Stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
enzyme detergents

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actually the use of enzyme detergent in our builder grade GE really worked well. Two reasons we upgraded to the Kenmore - loading flexibility, quiet. The GE had no loading flexiblity and it would literally make a 'BANG' when moving from wash to rinse cycles. The hi temp wash plus the enzyme detergent really did a good job of cleaning in the GE but we're very happy we upgraded. Sears always has one of these machines, either the 1602 or 1702 on sale. We bought ours early in the spring for $449 but recently saw a closeout for $399. Whirlpool made and hard to beat!

Post# 71269 , Reply# 20   6/22/2005 at 22:15 (6,853 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL)        
GE for us

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I bought my mother a GE Triton XL through a GE strategic partnership program and we LOVE it, 3 wash arms, Tall Tub, Beyond quiet. We are very pleased, luckily, they have eliminated the bang from wash to drain. Cleans great and is HUGE.

Post# 71343 , Reply# 21   6/23/2005 at 11:34 (6,853 days old) by bwoods ()        
make life easier for your mother

I wouldn't recommend any european made dishwasher for your mother as I know of none that have a self-cleaning filter and hard food disposer (although there could be some out there that I don't know of).

If you want your mom to have true direct from table loading capability, I would choose a Whirlpool first followed by a Maytag. They seem to be able to gobble up most anything.

If you get one that doesn't have a built in disposal your mom with have to wash her dishes before she washes her dishes, so to speak. If you don't, you end up with food wastes in the bottom of the machine. This means everydrop of wash and even final rinse water is being filtered through garbage. She will also have to pull the filter out by hand and wash it off after each load or let the garbage stay in the machine and putrify.

Energy efficiency of the european dishwashers seems quite good, at first glance. However, when you take into account the water used to wash off the dishes and grind up the wastes in your disposal, before loading the dishes, the efficiency is probably less than U.S. machines.

Why bother with a dishwasher if you have to waste water time and effort by rinsing your dishes. It not truly a dishwasher then but only a machine that splashes water on dishes.

It seems most european machines are relatively unsophisticated compared to U.S. engineered machines which wash, filter, grind up wastes and dispose of them down the drain

I think your mom might be happier with something where she could load straight from the table. Just pick off large bones and stick the dishes in the machine.

Barry


Post# 71448 , Reply# 22   6/25/2005 at 09:13 (6,851 days old) by Stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
This may sound funny, but...

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if Mom has a favorite pot, tray or serving dish she would like her new machine to hold, she should go to the showroom with it in tow and see how it will fit in the machine (particularly if she is considering the Bosch for the quiet factor). I would hate to see her be disappointed with a new machine that does everything well except hold certain pieces that she is tired of washing by hand. Best of luck in whatever you choose!
robert


Post# 71449 , Reply# 23   6/25/2005 at 10:49 (6,851 days old) by Bearpeter ()        
....Bosch??

We have a slimline Bosch Excell.... Auto programme, quick wash (45* 30 minute cycle)eco (50* extended) and pre rinse. Not had a single problem with it for cleaning. The quick wash is perfect for immediate washing of dishes cutlery and other stuff except pans.
Quiet as a dead tortoise too! (apologies to tortoise lovers, only used as an example!!!)

Very satisfied although with hindsight, I would have preferred a full size dishwaher and an intensive programme too.

Pete



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