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Post# 387134   10/22/2009 at 10:28 (5,292 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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hi,
does anyone know what motor the haier hms100tveme machine uses cause im looking to get one for our machine as our one is on its way out.





Post# 387161 , Reply# 1   10/22/2009 at 11:45 (5,292 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
can't find that model number online

in what way do you mean the motor is "on it's way out?"

If anything most motor problems seem to be brush failure, you wouldn't need a new motor, just a nice cheap set of brushes. I cringe at the thought of the number of machines which are trashed becasue "the drum stops going round properly", or "sparks are coming out of the motor" or "it started making a crackling noise" when I daresay 9 times out of 10 a new set of brushes would have had it up and running again no problem.

So if you can describe the symptoms of the problem, that may help find an explanation which would not require a whole new motor.

Matt


Post# 387201 , Reply# 2   10/22/2009 at 13:51 (5,292 days old) by bertrum ()        

hi ariston4life

I normally always advise repair but this is a Haier!, the most rubbish machine on the market. Get a new one, pay more and get a decent machine.



Post# 387203 , Reply# 3   10/22/2009 at 14:00 (5,292 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
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Hi Luke.

Have a look at this website for your motor.

www.partmaster.co.uk/cgi-bin/cata...

Paul


CLICK HERE TO GO TO paulinroyton's LINK


Post# 387464 , Reply# 4   10/23/2009 at 09:06 (5,292 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
best thing to do with a Haier..

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..is paint it a suitable colour, and stick a plant in it

Post# 388044 , Reply# 5   10/25/2009 at 16:26 (5,289 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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ok ok bash haier all you like but i have to be honest and say it is a good machine i mean i paid 279 for it and it does 6-7 washes a day everyday and its 15 months old and is still working with no repairs all it is is the motor is starting to sound a bit horse, so i was thinking of just ordering new brushes for it...anyone know which ones are suitable for it?

Post# 388045 , Reply# 6   10/25/2009 at 16:27 (5,289 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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sorry the model number is HMS1000TVEME

Post# 388052 , Reply# 7   10/25/2009 at 17:19 (5,289 days old) by bertrum ()        

Hi Ariston4life,
you may not want to hear this but you are barking up the wrong tree on this one.
I have never replaced brushes to cure just a noisy motor fault, (and I have replaced thousands).

When you notice brushes are noisy it means they are very low and the drum will not agitate.

good luck anyway.


Post# 388053 , Reply# 8   10/25/2009 at 17:37 (5,289 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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then it may be the armature so bak to the original plan for a new motor

Post# 388185 , Reply# 9   10/26/2009 at 10:07 (5,288 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"15 months old and is still working with no repairs all it is is the motor is starting to sound a bit horse"

..and you think 15 months is a respectable life span for a washing machine motor? Washing machines are NOT cheap. Spending so much money on a domestic item, and I would at least expect 5 years out of it. My Grandparents have had their matching Hotpoint set since 1981 with only the brushes replaced a few times on the washer and no repairs to the dryer and my aunt and 2 young cousins live with my gran. My aunt and uncles 1990 Logic is still in regular use in a house with 3 kids. We had a Zanussi Jetsystem for 11 years with no repairs until the bearings went. 15 months, IMO, is not on. A machine should not need a new motor after 15 months. Brushes, at a push, but not a whole new motor.


Post# 388190 , Reply# 10   10/26/2009 at 10:21 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        
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sorry but your talking about older machines that were built to last such as old hotpoints and logics, however were in 2009 now machines are not built to last except the much loved on here Mieles no new hotpoint will never last as long as the old ones and same gos for new hoovers aswell, however im talking about my BOL HAIER( that is always being singled out as rubbish) all im saying is its not that bad considering it does 6-7 washes a day every week its out lived our beko anyway( now that was a piece of crap).

Post# 388206 , Reply# 11   10/26/2009 at 11:22 (5,288 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Miele, Bocsh, Zanussi, LG, Beko - all brands I'd sooner own than a Haier. A brand new Hotpoint SHOULD still last longer than 15 months. Even an Indesit will go 2 years without a repair.

Post# 388214 , Reply# 12   10/26/2009 at 12:07 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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but thats the thing the machine is still working perfect the motor just sounds a little off and if i had to choose between haier and beko id go for haier cause beko are crap!

Post# 388215 , Reply# 13   10/26/2009 at 12:07 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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and it doesnt need a repair as it is still in working order

Post# 388222 , Reply# 14   10/26/2009 at 12:26 (5,288 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Actually, I've found Beko to be rather reliable. I had one when I first moved into my flat and that's now been donated to my friend who has 2 children and who's partner works on a building site. It's ALWAYS on and it's doing just fine. It washes efficiently, good water levels, rinses well, spins well and is not particulaly noisey. My only issue with it, is it takes bleedin' ages but this can be resolved using the quick wash button. Also, my work colleague has had a Beko for going on 3 years and it's fine, my friends parents have one and theirs is fine - thats about 2 or 3 years old now. I've heard nothing but good things about them and having lived with one, can safely say, it's the best machine to buy on a budget.

Post# 388228 , Reply# 15   10/26/2009 at 12:44 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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well my beko was complete rubbish 4 breakdowns in 6 months thats not very reliable is it and ours was on the same amount of times the haier is on and the haier is still going perfect where as the beko clapped out after 6 months... and it wasnt just bad luck with my one as my auntie had a similar model 1 month old and needed a new PCB thats not very reliable is it.
all in all id sooner go for HAIER/BUSH machines than any beko on the market.


Post# 388230 , Reply# 16   10/26/2009 at 12:46 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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now dont get me wrong i do like beko, my first tv was a beko and is still working seven years on with no repairs and my current tv is a beko thats coming up on 6 years now and that working perfect aswell and we have a beko fridge aswell and that to works great so im not dissing beko as a whole just the washing machines thats the only product by beko that ive had trouble with.

Post# 388237 , Reply# 17   10/26/2009 at 13:09 (5,288 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Just a thought

The armature in my Mum's Whirlpool is worn, it now sounds like a chainsaw every time it starts to tumble. it's been like this for a good 18 months now, it may sound horrible but at the end of the day it still washes the clothes.

Since you're getting that Hotpoint soon I seriously wouldn't bother getting a new motor, especially when the machine is still operational and just "sounds a bit rough".

It's the electronics in Haier's which are disgraceful, and make them the most unreliable machines on the market, mechanically they could be worse.

Matt



Post# 388260 , Reply# 18   10/26/2009 at 13:58 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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exactly my point the machine does still work but when i do get the hotpoint ill be giving the haier to my nana so i want to sort the motor out so its not as loud.

Post# 388267 , Reply# 19   10/26/2009 at 14:09 (5,288 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        

The only real problem is that even if the motor is available (parts seem non-existant on the net, can't imagine them having a huge service department) it will probably cost almost as much as the machine did new, rendering repair pointless.

If it's anything like an Indesit company machine the motor will be about 75% of what the machine cost new, on top of labour, it just isn't worthwhile. I would suspect Haier would charge very steeply for a new motor.


Post# 388279 , Reply# 20   10/26/2009 at 15:01 (5,288 days old) by bertrum ()        

hi hoover1100

With regard to noisy motors, I used to see some of the old AEG washing machines with worn bearings on the motor but I have never seen a motor running with a noisy armature.
Only when the brushes are worn down to the armature do they get noisy, or if the armature is burnt out (it wont spin then anyway).

Have you taken the belt off and run the motor on your mums whirlpool? You may be supprised where the noise is coming from!

good luck



Post# 388283 , Reply# 21   10/26/2009 at 15:09 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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if it is a motor used on indesits as well ive seen then on ebay priced as little as £30 so its not to bad. mabey tomorrow ill take the motor out and get the model number and then search for it on google and see what i get.

Post# 388284 , Reply# 22   10/26/2009 at 15:24 (5,288 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Hi Bertrum

The noise seems to definately be coming from the motor, the obvious culprit would be the bearings, but those don't seem too bad, brushes would be another option, but there is no sparking from the motor and it dosen't struggle to turn the drum at all, I can't really imagine it going 18+ months on bad brushes either.

I came to the conclusion it must be the armature, just because I couldn't really think of anything else it could be, it quietens down once the machine has heated and when it's only doing a light load with a low water level. I guess motor bearings are definately a possibility, but I thought that was a very uncommon fault.

Matt


Post# 388286 , Reply# 23   10/26/2009 at 15:33 (5,288 days old) by zodawash (Lincolnshire,United Kingdom)        
6-7 a day

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Forgive me for pointing something out but why are you using a domestic washing machine to do 6-7 washes a day everyday of the week?
That level requires a heavy duty machine with higher weekly cycles factored into its motor bearings etc. Even 6 washes a day 7 days a week is 42 cycles a week or 2184 a year. An enourmous strain on a budget washer. A Whirlpool heavy duty light commercial machine is only guaranteed for 25 cycles a week. You need a second hand Miele little giant or something similar to do the job your asking of it.

Steve



Post# 388320 , Reply# 24   10/26/2009 at 17:46 (5,288 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove)        
6-7 washes a day

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hope you dont mind me asking this but why do you do 6-7 washes a day, i dont even do that at weekends!
phil


Post# 388392 , Reply# 25   10/27/2009 at 01:25 (5,288 days old) by fl1012 ()        
Bertrum.....

My Zanussi FL1012 was doing the same thing that Hoover1100's Whirlpool seems to be doing, and whilst i can't 100% guarantee its cured it (as ive not used it much since repair), i just put a new belt on it.

I believe my FL couldve used one of three makes of motor, but it looks like its got an AEG motor in it, which makes Bertrums point about worn bearings on the motor particularly interesting.

Do you know if my machine couldve been fitted with one of the AEG motors susceptible to this, Bertrum?

Many thanks :)


Post# 388416 , Reply# 26   10/27/2009 at 06:38 (5,288 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Even in a house with 2 adults and 4 kids, we never did 6 - 7 washes a day. How many times a day do people in your house change clothes? Surely, in an average family home, at the end of the day you'd have a few school uniforms, some office wear, maybe a work uniform or 2? Surely thats 2/3 loads, tops? I know when I was younger, the washer was on pretty much daily but only with 1 or 2 loads, max.

Post# 388417 , Reply# 27   10/27/2009 at 06:44 (5,288 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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well in our house theres 6 of use plus a dog a rabbit and a buggie the two girls are constantly changing cloths and we have a lot of washing to do its that simple and if the mother decideds to go on a cleaning rampage, like all the curtains and badcloths etc. the machine could be on nearly 10 times in one day.

Post# 388428 , Reply# 28   10/27/2009 at 07:33 (5,288 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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...yes but surely even if you're doing a mad cleaup, you're not going to do it everyday. Think about it, if you spend a day doing all your washing - clothes, bedding, curtains, cusion overs, seat covers, dog bedding, towels...the same load of washing is not going to be their needing to be done again the next day. Surely, the next day, you're only going to have a 1 or 2 loads to do unless you have serious OCD and insist on washing everything daily. So if you do 6 washing loads in a day, you'd have empty baskets the next day. I also find it very hard to believe that you are able to create 6 loads of washing a day based on what time you would have to start doing the washing in order to have it complete by the time you go to bed. I mean, it's actually not possible unless you stay up all night doing washing. School uniforms and work clothes won't be ready to wash until dinner time - say 6pm by the time the whole family gets home. 6 washing loads at an hour each will take you through to midnight. I doubt that anyone, after a day at work/school/college would want to spend 6 hours doing washing.

Post# 388432 , Reply# 29   10/27/2009 at 07:37 (5,288 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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and another thing...you said there's 6 of you. There was 6 of us when I was younger - Mum, Dad, Me, 2 brothers and my sister. You do realise that, based on how much washing you claim to do daily, you're saying you create a load EACH. Personally, I get up, I have my work clothes to wear and then I change when I get home. I wear a different shirt everyday and a different pair of work pants every 2 days. Jeans will last a few days because I only wear them for a few hours after work. I can probably make a pair of jeans last Monday - Friday providing I don't spill anything on them. So how many differnt sets of clothes do you wear in order to create a whole washing load EACH!? Surely, if you wear 1 t-shirt for 3 hours, it doesn't class as dirty and can probably be worn the next day for another few hours before it needs washing. How un-economical are you?

Post# 388443 , Reply# 30   10/27/2009 at 08:27 (5,288 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
How un-economical are you?

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UHH--this is an auto washer site. People are OCD, and facinated with things that go splash. Don't judge.

There are three of us currently in my family, and I manage at least a load a day in my large May-pool machine. When I had a smaller TL machine I could easily manage two or three loads a day.

Don't judge me.



Post# 388450 , Reply# 31   10/27/2009 at 09:10 (5,288 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I'm not judging anyone. 2-3 loads a day is completely understandable. I know growing up our washer was on everyday. My point is, I find it very hard to believe that 1 family of 6 can create a washing load EACH daily. 2-3 washes a day, fine. But 6? No. Sorry but I find that ridiculous.

Post# 388504 , Reply# 32   10/27/2009 at 14:29 (5,287 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        

I rekon the budgie's to blame.



Post# 388522 , Reply# 33   10/27/2009 at 15:19 (5,287 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
OMG

Hi Ariston4life, my god, how much washing, lol.

I know Costco do Whirlpool machines, one a top loader, with no built in heater, and a massive big front loader, dont know the model numbers. I was gonna take a photo, but got stopped by one of Costco staff. Said it was illegal to do so in Costco.

The front loader looked well cool, and would cut down on your number of wash loads.

Good Luck

Paul


Post# 388609 , Reply# 34   10/27/2009 at 20:22 (5,287 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Matt...

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..OMG you don't 'alf crack me up sometimes sweet cheeks :)

Post# 388680 , Reply# 35   10/28/2009 at 05:18 (5,287 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        
Aquacycle

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this is the last time im posting in this thread because you clearly dont understand, yes theres alot of use in the house which means that our entire cupbert under the stairs which is used as our laundry basket is almost always full as washing builds up and thats why our machine is almost always on....you think is ridiculous..it just normal for use as we do have alot of washing...i just dont get people on here sometimes i thought people on here would like to see there machines on most of the time..ah well at least i get to.

Matt:
haha good one about the buddgie... the amount of times we have to sweap the hall a day over it...now thats a joke.


Post# 388720 , Reply# 36   10/28/2009 at 08:53 (5,287 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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No, you're right - I don't understand how anyone can create so much washing and I don't believe for a second that you can create 6/7 loads of washing in a day. Even families I know with 5 kids in one house don't create that much washing. I think either you're exagerating WAY to much in defense of your Haier or you keep washing the same things over and over again for the sake of it.

Post# 388737 , Reply# 37   10/28/2009 at 10:17 (5,286 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

We wash for 6 people and our washer is only on 3-4 times a day maximum, most of the time twice... sometimes we will have a marathon where it is on all day non stop, but then we won't do laundry for another 3 days or so. That's including everybody's bedding, towels, and also considering one of the people we wash for is a 1 year old!

Jon


Post# 388742 , Reply# 38   10/28/2009 at 10:41 (5,286 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Many a moon ago

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When my Niece and Nephew were still wee ones. My Sis-n-law and the two children under the age of 2 moved in with us while my brother was being transferred. Both babes were at the time in cloth diapers, they with the four adults in the house generated 8 to 10 loads of clothes a day. When I state clothes I mean about two loads of diapers, in addition to each time they took a nap they would wet the cloth diapers through and all the bedding as well as their clothes had to be washed.

At that time we had a Heavy Duty GE Filter Flo, and just for the record, though that machine only had that duty for about five months; it continued to serve us for another 17 years when we sold it to a friend. It was still washing up until two years ago when they decided to get a New machine and finally let it go to scrap.


Post# 388753 , Reply# 39   10/28/2009 at 10:55 (5,286 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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well aquacycle im not exagerating, granted yes there is some day were the machine may be on 3-4 times a day but mostly its on 5-6 times day... and im not defending the haier im just saying im happy that it has coped with all the washing we wwhereas aour beko lasted 6 months of it and packed in.

Post# 388828 , Reply# 40   10/28/2009 at 15:57 (5,286 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I don't blame it, I'd pack in doing that much bleedin' washing.

Post# 390747 , Reply# 41   11/4/2009 at 13:56 (5,279 days old) by bertrum ()        

Hi Liam

Sorry just picked up your message about the motor bearings.

I was actually taking about some of the real AEG washers where the motor bearings used to go, not the AEG made washers for the Zanussi machines.

bertrum


Post# 391026 , Reply# 42   11/5/2009 at 18:23 (5,278 days old) by mrx ()        
Think of the environment!

Ariston4life,

If you are doing *that* much laundry, you need to consider buying a more expensive machines like a Miele.

Going through a washing machine every 15 months is creating a ridiculous amount of waste.

The actual process of doing the laundry's not all that environmentally damaging, but the process of building a washing machine in China and shipping it to Ireland is.

I realise that it's compulsory to recycle old appliances in Ireland, but even so, it's still a pretty enormous environmental impact and waste of resources.

Save up a while, or get a small loan and buy a Miele. You don't need to go all out for the high end models, just a basic, rock solid, machine. It will last you yonks even with those kinds of loadings.

Also, ensure that your machine is installed on a concrete floor if possible. Wooden floors tend to vibrate even the best of machines to death rather rapidly.


Post# 391144 , Reply# 43   11/6/2009 at 05:55 (5,278 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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it wont be wasted as it will be going to my nannys house were she does about 3-4 washes a week so it will be quite happy.
im sorry that i dont share all your enthusiasm for miele machines i know they last forever and a well built but i dont like the look of them simple as that and now that we have the hotpoint dryer it makes sense to get the matching washer... anyways we have cut down on the washing...yesterday the haier was on about 3 times which isnt to bad.and anyway the enviroment is F*****D no matter what we do... not only that but our green recycleing bins are a complete waste as it all goes to the same place as the rubbish from the black bins...thats why my sister brings our recycleing to the recycling centre.


Post# 391173 , Reply# 44   11/6/2009 at 09:53 (5,277 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
the enviroment is F*****D no matter what we do...

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Oh yes lovely to see you have such a positive outlook on our environmental situation.

Also lovely to see that you have put so much thought into your opinions of Miele washing machines and covered all areas of what makes a great machine.

please note that the sarcasm in this message is completely intentional.


Post# 391438 , Reply# 45   11/7/2009 at 10:38 (5,276 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        
and off at a tangent

I was resisting the temptation to post on this thread, but seeing the following comment made me too annoyed not to.

and anyway the enviroment is F*****D no matter what we do...

Oh really? And you don't think you could do anything to help the environment? That's a shocking attitude to take, quite frankly, and no wonder things are in a state when people say things like that.

I know you're not sending your machine to landfill, and that it's going on to be used, and I'm not getting at you in particular so please don't take it that way, but I'm sick fed up of hearing people (not on here I hasten to add) making comments like that.

If you feel your recycling is being taken to the same tip as the other rubbish, (and do you have proof of that?) then you should take it up with the local council as a complaint. As far as I understand it, there is a legal obligation to ensure that recycling is sorted and sent for recycling and not mixed into landfill/furnace with the other rubbish.

*steps off soapbox*

And back vaguely onto topic, as long as you are happy that a Hotpoint machine will do what you need and last well, then go for it. I don't see the need for matching machines myself, but each to their own. It is worth considering costs in long term vs short term though as well, as a general rule. Too many people don't, hence the proliferation of Haiers and the like lurking around rubbish dumps/recycling centres. At least Beko have a reasonable reliability rating, unlike some of the others.


Post# 391952 , Reply# 46   11/9/2009 at 18:20 (5,274 days old) by mrx ()        

A couple of points:

1) It's illegal to dispose of domestic appliances into landfill in Ireland, and has been for quite some time. If you buy a new appliance, the retailer's required to collect an equivalent for recycling, and a small fee is charged on the cost of any item purchased to cover handing.

2) Your Green Bin (recycling bin) most certainly does not go into the same waste stream as your Grey/Black Bin (General Waste). Also, in Ireland you are charged per KG or per bin collected for all non-recyclables, so there's a significant financial disincentive not to recycle. Many areas have also rolled out central composting where compostable waste is collected in a brown bin.

3) The environment is not "F*****D no matter what we do... ". The choices that we make every day, do have an impact on it and you can make minor changes to how you do things, such as buying a non-disposable washing machine, which do not impact negatively on your lifestyle, yet have seriously positive impacts on the environment.

Manufacturing a domestic appliance takes very serious amounts of energy and natural resources. Also, if the machine's made in China, it may not necessarily have been made in a way that would comply with European or North American environmental regulations i.e. the plant that milled the steel, the plant that made the machine etc is quite likely to have spewed all sorts of nasties into the environment.

Cheap, throw-away appliances, i.e. washing machines that only last 15 months, are having a massive impact on the environment.

I am really getting a bit fed-up with the attitude that a large domestic appliance should be simply chucked-out after a couple of years of operation.

Older machines and more expensive modern brands are designed to be repaired and maintained to get at least 10 to 15 years of service out of them.

Back even in the 1980s, a washing machine was something that was built to last a reasonable length of time.

If your household does produce that volume of washing you really need to look at how you are processing it.

1) See if you can reduce the volume of washing being produced.

2) Get a bigger washing machine

3) Get a sturdier washing machine.

Hotpoint / Hotpoint-Ariston really doesn't produce machines that are designed to cope with that kind of loading.

If you do insist on getting a hotpoint, you'd need to be looking at something pretty large, like an Extendia or an Aqualitis.

Realistically though, given the frequency of those washes you need a machine that can cope with light-commercial loadings and that's pretty much exclusively Miele.

Some of the high end Whirlpools also claim to be able to cope, but you really can't go far wrong with Miele.


Post# 392111 , Reply# 47   11/10/2009 at 03:51 (5,274 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I've got a feeling...

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...that ariston4life really doesn't care, and that all our efforts to make a point, are falling on deaf ears.

Post# 392116 , Reply# 48   11/10/2009 at 04:12 (5,274 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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As I pointed out to another member last week we have a couple of UK trolls here who only log in to attempt to cause wars and arguements. There are a couple of hot topics or themes they like to post about if you watch where folks usually go crazy on and wars evolve.
Tis quite easy to figure out who does it.

I stupidly got caught up in some of these debates and can say its not worth your time or effort fighting out your case because thats what they want - the more posts thier threads get the more they get a kick.

I stick to the threads that interest me and only me or that I know that a contribution may evolve it into something worth looking at.

I know it can be hard not to post in a rage especially if you know the previous posters are talking rubbish but walk away grab a cup of coffee and relax!
Find something more positive to do.

Its totally their loss.

Took me a while to get the hang of it but it works.







Post# 392222 , Reply# 49   11/10/2009 at 14:58 (5,273 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)        

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Im sorry for those who i may have offended by my comment about the enviroment etc. of course i care im just sick to death of people going on about when we know what we have to do and it just gets to me...as for the haier machine i plan to get a good few years use out of it..hopefully as i said it will not be dumped as i dont believe in dumping something that is still fully functional. we have dramatically redued our wash loads to about 2-3 loads a day and i think thats a reasonable amount.
so again sorry if i offended or annoyed anyone with my previous comments... thinking back i do feel quite stupid actually for going on about it...and to think it all started over a motor. i did not join this site to pick fights or anything just simply because i love washing machines and want to share that with other members on here.



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