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Thread Number: 25845
OK... Test 2 Unimatic...Wo-65-2 |
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| Post# 396858 12/1/2009 at 17:38 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Just got home and did my Solenoid Test. They do not shut off. So... I'm thinking the diaphrams in the valves are dried out. However they Hum when power is provided to them. At the same time the Escapement seems out of whack, Just a Novice's guess but when I advance the timer manually it just seems strange. But It's Pulsating , Spinning and Draining like a dream. Nice and quiet. I'm still feeling blessed that nothing with the mechanism is wrong. I'll take the valves apart tomorrow. Suggestions for replacements if they're toast ??? I remember watching Ben's video of Sunday Wash Day Unimatic Style he replaced them with a Dole Valve from a Maytag ??? No leaks from the Valves. That seems good Right ??? | ||
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| Post# 396869 , Reply# 1 12/1/2009 at 19:00 (5,252 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 396872 , Reply# 2 12/1/2009 at 19:18 (5,252 days old) by swestoyz  (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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I would leave the valve alone and try what Dan suggested. I personally can't stand the brass Dole valves. PITA to put back together when half of it goes flying across the room during disassembly :D In the video I had replaced the original 2 solenoid thermostatic brass valve with a 2 solenoid plastic valve from a Maytag. At that point I had either a cold wash/cold rinse, or a hot wash, cold rinse. I have since replaced it with a 3 solenoid valve from a Maytag and hooked up the appropriate wires to the hot and warm side of the valve. If you do this you'll need to throttle the water flow down. I placed a ball valve in line after the valve. It took a few tries/adjustments but eventually it fills to the correct height. I think it is 5 timer advancements? But for now that isn't much of an issue for you. :P Ben | ||
| Post# 396879 , Reply# 3 12/1/2009 at 19:51 (5,252 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
HI Ben Hi Eddie
Interesting stuff. If you two have the WO 65 double rinser, your timers advance slightly slower probably because of the third fill and third spin. On the WO 65-2, the fill is 8 timer clicks, one every 30 seconds for a 4 minute fill. Yours must advance every 40 seconds and have a slightly faster fill, yes?
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| Post# 396881 , Reply# 4 12/1/2009 at 19:59 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Well, | ||
| Post# 396884 , Reply# 5 12/1/2009 at 20:01 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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BTW... | ||
| Post# 396908 , Reply# 6 12/1/2009 at 21:23 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Ok. Couldn't Stand it | ||
| Post# 396910 , Reply# 7 12/1/2009 at 21:24 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Another Halo | ||
| Post# 396912 , Reply# 8 12/1/2009 at 21:26 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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More Angels with Halos | ||
| Post# 396914 , Reply# 9 12/1/2009 at 21:28 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Sorry, | ||
| Post# 396915 , Reply# 10 12/1/2009 at 21:28 (5,252 days old) by westingman123 () | ||
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Now, look here, I thought I was done filling up my basement! Now I do believe I'll have to be on the lookout for one of those babies - and it's porcelain, too? Anyone know a good contractor? My basement's getting crowded. | ||
| Post# 396919 , Reply# 11 12/1/2009 at 21:34 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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I have to tell you... | ||
| Post# 396926 , Reply# 12 12/1/2009 at 21:54 (5,252 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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those photos are gorgeous | ||
| Post# 396928 , Reply# 13 12/1/2009 at 22:00 (5,252 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Gotta admit it looks FUN, great halo photo's Thanks arthur | ||
| Post# 396930 , Reply# 14 12/1/2009 at 22:09 (5,252 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Thanks, | ||
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Post# 397069 , Reply# 15 12/2/2009 at 13:48 (5,251 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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I believe in 'angels' | ||
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Post# 397078 , Reply# 16 12/2/2009 at 14:46 (5,251 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 397086 , Reply# 17 12/2/2009 at 15:07 (5,251 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Hi Robert
Yes,this is the first time I've watched and listened to Unimatic since I was about 4-5 years old. I have watched the You Tube clips, but to have one and own one it is truly like aquiring a Rolls Royce. There is no contest between the Unimatic and the 1-18. The 1-18 is a great machine by all means, but the Unimatic sounds so ummmmmm...... 'Soothing". Oh Yes, Thanks for your help and advice. Eddie | ||
| Post# 397448 , Reply# 18 12/4/2009 at 07:13 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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OK, Here we go...
I have just won a timer on E-bay. How ironic is that. I get a machine that needs a timer and Bang ! there it is. Question : I had noticed when I have the machine filling (sometimes the solenoids hold or I should say diaphrams and sometimes they don't. When I change the temp switch from Hot to Warm,the solenoid on the motor energizes on hot and de-energizes on warm. Is this the sign of the escapement being toast ??? The part number of the timer is 5430706. Could this possibly be the exact replacement ? Thanks Everyone. Eddie 
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Post# 397450 , Reply# 19 12/4/2009 at 07:22 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Eddie, 5430706 is the timer for the WO-65 double rinse machine, 5430777 is the timer in your WO-65-2 overflow rinse machine. So no its not the exact replacement, but you can very easily switch the timer motor on the new one. When I change the temp switch from Hot to Warm,the solenoid on the motor energizes on hot and de-energizes on warm. Is this the sign of the escapement being toast ??? Wait a minute I'm confused, are you saying that the timer motor advances the timer only when you have the water temperature switch on hot? If the answer to that question is yes then the only thing wrong is someone has the wires mixed up on the timer. | ||
| Post# 397452 , Reply# 20 12/4/2009 at 07:35 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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OMG,OMG, OMG !!!! | ||
| Post# 397453 , Reply# 21 12/4/2009 at 07:39 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Oooops | ||
| Post# 397458 , Reply# 22 12/4/2009 at 07:50 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Hi Robert
No the timer motor does not advance at all. While the machine is filling , if I switch the Water Temp. switch to warm, the spin solenoid energizes. When I switch it to Hot, The Spin Solenoid de-energizes. So my next question is this machine with the New Timer could not be made into a Double Rinse Machine ? | ||
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Post# 397461 , Reply# 23 12/4/2009 at 08:28 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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When I switch it to Hot, The Spin Solenoid de-energizes. Really???? That's silly, then the timer is not wired properly and it makes me wonder if the timer motor is not wired properly either. Can you take some close up pictures of the timer wiring on both sides? So my next question is this machine with the New Timer could not be made into a Double Rinse Machine ? Yes, but the dial wont line up anymore and in my opinion if you have the over-flow rinse wash tub (which I assume you do) the over-flow rinse machine is a better performer. It uses less water, has a faster cycle and is slightly more dramatic. But either type would work just fine. | ||
| Post# 397464 , Reply# 24 12/4/2009 at 08:53 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Timer Pics | ||
| Post# 397466 , Reply# 25 12/4/2009 at 08:56 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Timer Pic | ||
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Post# 397469 , Reply# 26 12/4/2009 at 09:25 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I'm going to need better pictures than that Eddie. Can you take the timer out and photograph close ups of the two panels where wires are connected? Or better yet, here is the wiring diagram for the WO-65, which isn't exactly the same as the WO-65-2, but its close. Can you check the connections both at the timer and the mechanism? 
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Post# 397471 , Reply# 27 12/4/2009 at 09:29 (5,249 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 397474 , Reply# 28 12/4/2009 at 09:54 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Can you take the timer out ? | ||
| Post# 397478 , Reply# 29 12/4/2009 at 10:45 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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OK. Here we go... | ||
| Post# 397479 , Reply# 30 12/4/2009 at 10:46 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Timer Pic 2 | ||
| Post# 397480 , Reply# 31 12/4/2009 at 10:48 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Top View | ||
| Post# 397481 , Reply# 32 12/4/2009 at 10:49 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Bottom | ||
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Post# 397483 , Reply# 33 12/4/2009 at 11:04 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Well its hard for me to tell exactly via photos but it appears that the timer is wired correctly. I can't exactly check the wires on the water temperature switch. The spin solenoid is the brown wire, does that appear to be in all the right spots according to the wiring diagram? Also describe that symptom a bit further. When you switch the water temp to warm it engages the spin solenoid???? Does this happen in all increments of the timer, or just like fill or something else? Be as descriptive as you can. | ||
| Post# 397487 , Reply# 34 12/4/2009 at 11:42 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Spin Solenoid
I turn the timer to the Fill position. I stumbled upon this when I switch the Temperature Switch to Hot. I was doing this to hear if both valves were operating. Then I noticed the "clank" of the Spin Solenoid. So I leaned over and moved the Temperature Switch from Warm to Hot etc. and that's when I noticed the Spin Solenoid engaging and disengaging. Everything appears to be in place according to the wiring diagram. All the connections seem to be in the right place and the connections are secure. I am going to check everything again just to make sure that it is not my over-zealousness and I may have had too much coffee this morning. LOL. | ||
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Post# 397488 , Reply# 35 12/4/2009 at 11:52 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 397491 , Reply# 36 12/4/2009 at 12:13 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Manual Timer Advance
Fill Position : Hot, the solenoid is energized, Warm, it is not. Advanced to Wash, The machine Pulsates, the temperature switch has no effect. Advanced to Spin : The machine spins and the temperature switch has no effect. Advanced to Rinse Fill : Temperature Switch has no effect on the Solenoid. Advance to Rinse : The Solenoid Engages and the machine Spins. Does not Pulsate but Spins. The Temperature Switch has no effect on the Solnoid. Advancing the timer slowly : The Machine keeps spinning and as I advance to the Spin, The Machine keeps spinning and the Temperature Switch has no effect on the Solnoid. Strange Huh ??? | ||
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Post# 397496 , Reply# 37 12/4/2009 at 12:47 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Very strange is right, wow. Next step if you know how to do this: #1 Remove brown wire from timer, #2 take a voltage meter and place one meter probe and clip it onto the terminal on the timer where the brown wire was, #3 take the other meter probe and clip it to a good ground source, #4 place timer into wash fill and push in #5 are you reading 110-125 volts out of the brown timer terminal when you switch it to hot and then 0 or near 0 volts when you switch it to warm???? oh and please be careful when you are doing this, don't touch any terminals or the loose brown wire as they might be live. Don't let the loose brown wire touch anything, make sure its just hanging loose in the air. | ||
| Post# 397498 , Reply# 38 12/4/2009 at 13:01 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Thanks Robert | ||
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Post# 397499 , Reply# 39 12/4/2009 at 13:10 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Would it be beneficial to perform this test anyway before going any further ? Hi Eddie, I don't quite understand the question, I guess my answer would be only if you are interested in finding out the exact source of the problem with this timer/temp selector assembly. Switching to the new assembly will probably fix this issue (but not guaranteed). | ||
| Post# 397501 , Reply# 40 12/4/2009 at 13:20 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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I don't understand the question...
What I meant was I should do this before either changing the machine to a Double Rinse with the New Timer, or installing the New Motor on the Old timer. Seems the logical thing to do is find the source of the problem before going any further. I'll get a Voltage Meter in a short while. Anything particular or Model/Brand I should look for ? | ||
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Post# 397503 , Reply# 41 12/4/2009 at 13:44 (5,249 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I would as parts are rare and if you can save two parts by finding a wiring problem or other issue outside of the obvious timer issue then it's worth it. Unless you are planning on doing some vintage tv restoration I would go to Radio Shack and get a real cheap meter (under $20) as that is all your need for vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher testing. Since you have other appliances and dishwashers the meter will definitely come in handy someday again. Also get some alligator clips to clip on the end of the meter probes to hold the probe onto the timer terminal and the other probe onto a ground. If this is your first time using a voltage meter, you should probably read a primer for safety on the net. What I like to do is get a fresh pair of rubber dish washing gloves and be sure to wear rubber soled sneakers. The rubber gloves will help protect against accidental shocks. Using a meter is perfectly safe if you are real careful and treat electricity with the respect it deserves. | ||
| Post# 397511 , Reply# 42 12/4/2009 at 14:44 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Get a Fresh Pair of Rubber Dishwashing Gloves...
Well, I hope they have some Nice Colors to choose from. LOL !!! Thank you soooooo much for all your assistance through out the day. You are too kind and that's what makes this place so special. Off to buy the Meter. I wonder what color I shall choose >>> Yellow, Green, Pank ??? Again Thanks. This place is always a Educational Expierience. What a Great Day. New Timer and spending the day with you. Especially when one just turned 54 today . | ||
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Post# 397513 , Reply# 43 12/4/2009 at 14:57 (5,249 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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Happy Birthday | ||
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Post# 397528 , Reply# 44 12/4/2009 at 16:13 (5,249 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Yes... HAPPY B-DAY EDDIE!!! | ||
| Post# 397545 , Reply# 45 12/4/2009 at 17:18 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Thanks Everyone | ||
| Post# 397553 , Reply# 46 12/4/2009 at 18:18 (5,249 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Very Interesting | ||
| Post# 397555 , Reply# 47 12/4/2009 at 18:34 (5,249 days old) by agirlsgottaknow () | ||
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HAPPY :HAPPY BDAY!!! :o) | ||
| Post# 397556 , Reply# 48 12/4/2009 at 18:36 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Thanks Malcolm | ||
| Post# 397566 , Reply# 49 12/4/2009 at 19:21 (5,249 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Happy 54th, Eddie
Before you start celebrating, unless of course you already have, there's something worth thinking about. This is your first Frigidaire. If you really want a double rinser (DR) or if the timer/electrics issue is forcing it, then by all means. But if you have a choice, there is really no comparison, especially when you're forced to do without the overflow wash and the overflow rinse. But, more than that, think about the longevity issue. The DR requires another spin wind-up every time you use it. That's 3 spins per load instead of 2 for the overflow model. Theoretically, you decrease the longevity of the machine by one-third if you switch over, Then one day when you see a Unimatic overflow, you may wish you had kept the treasure you now have. Just my two cents and a gift to you from someone who has lived with both, OF (overflow) & DR. And for me the Overflow is the Razor's Edge of Life to ride. Good Luck, Unimatic Brother. | ||
| Post# 397577 , Reply# 50 12/4/2009 at 20:14 (5,249 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Awwwwwwwwwww... | ||
| Post# 397612 , Reply# 51 12/5/2009 at 00:42 (5,248 days old) by mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx) | ||
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Just get an insulated matching connector that slips over the end of the brown wire to prevent it from touching anything it's not supposed to & remove it before reconnecting the wire.It has one end you crimp onto the wire (there's no need to crimp it if your'e not installing the mentioned connector) | ||
| Post# 397715 , Reply# 53 12/5/2009 at 17:07 (5,248 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Well, | ||
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