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Bolt-Down Kenmore Washer in Dallas
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Post# 402550   12/29/2009 at 08:34 (5,230 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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If interested contact: ldpauze@aol.com

From owner:

Hello,
I have an old Kenmore washing machine that has been in my garage for as long as I have lived in this house (15 years) that the previous owners left here. I don't really know how old it is, and I was trying to find out information about it when I ran across your website. I'm guessing it's from the 1950s. The model number is 83511.

I would be happy to give this to anyone who would like to come pick it up. I live in Dallas, TX. Do you know anyone who might be interested in it? It appears, according to your site, that there are collectors out there who might want it.

I have attached a few pictures. I don't know if it works, or not. It's not perfect, but it is free to a good home. (Otherwise, my husband is threatening to put it on the curb for big trash pick up -- SOON).

Linda Pauze'






Post# 402552 , Reply# 1   12/29/2009 at 08:34 (5,230 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Post# 402553 , Reply# 2   12/29/2009 at 08:35 (5,230 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Post# 402555 , Reply# 4   12/29/2009 at 08:36 (5,230 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Post# 402556 , Reply# 5   12/29/2009 at 08:37 (5,230 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Post# 402560 , Reply# 6   12/29/2009 at 08:51 (5,230 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

OMG that machine is beautiful and it seems to be perfectly restorable.

I hope it can find a good home.


Post# 402603 , Reply# 7   12/29/2009 at 13:59 (5,230 days old) by whirlaway (Hampton Virginia)        
Oh!!! Boy!!!!

I wiah it was near me!

Post# 402626 , Reply# 8   12/29/2009 at 15:37 (5,230 days old) by austinado16 ()        
Affordable shipping contact:

Wow, just when I thought I'd seen just about every vintage washer that was produced. Very cool.

Post# 402632 , Reply# 9   12/29/2009 at 16:39 (5,230 days old) by douglasdc6 ()        

If no interest I guess I could drive up to pick it up .

When is the deadline ?

Let me know .


Post# 402652 , Reply# 10   12/29/2009 at 17:36 (5,230 days old) by westingman123 ()        
purrrty

I always seems the best ones are a day away!! Alas.

Post# 402840 , Reply# 11   12/30/2009 at 16:13 (5,229 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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So what happened with this one... did anyone contact the seller and go get it???


Post# 402861 , Reply# 12   12/30/2009 at 17:05 (5,229 days old) by douglasdc6 ()        

Were negotiating a pick up day.

Post# 402870 , Reply# 13   12/30/2009 at 17:19 (5,229 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Great news Roger! I always love when old gems like these get saved. It pains me when these get hauled off to the crusher!

Gordon, do you know much about these machines? Is the mechanism the same as later belt-drives?


Post# 402925 , Reply# 14   12/30/2009 at 23:16 (5,229 days old) by ingliscanada ()        
Belt Drive

This machine looks like it can be the famous "wig-wag" belt drive machine. The agitator seen is made to fit that. But wow, a bolt down! I wonder if it has a pump, or is it gravity drain?

Post# 402945 , Reply# 15   12/31/2009 at 00:47 (5,229 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Jed -

I know very little about these and have never seen one in person that I remember. I do know that the design provided the ancestry to the later belt-drives, and I believe the transmission is very similar if not nearly identical, as is the basket drive (spin) components, wig-wag, etc. Some of the components were carried over intact to the later machines including the agitator, basket, etc. The general "gist" of what I have learned about these machines is that mechanically, the changes made were basically evolutionary changes that came about as the basic design matured.

I think the biggest change from the bolt-downs to the first machines with the suspension was the use of the baseplate and cabinet suspension system itself. The old operating mechanicals more or less came along for the ride and were implemented into the new design.

The pumps in the early cabinet suspended machines were different and didn't operate during agitation, and I believe the same was true with these, but cannot not say that I know that for sure.

Thanks for thinking of me Jed!

Gordon


Post# 402957 , Reply# 16   12/31/2009 at 06:48 (5,229 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Bakelite

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I love the Bakelite Straight-vane agitator. Lots of surface area to power-surge the water around.

Sweet!


Post# 403025 , Reply# 17   12/31/2009 at 13:45 (5,228 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Ross in Tucson...

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has one of these. His is absolutely beautiful. I got to see it do quite a bit while at his home in Tucson for the wash-in. Although I've never seen underneath I can tell you that the functions are all exactly the same just minus the suspension system. The water inlet is just under the ballast so there is a nice strong stream of water during the fills and spray rinses.

Agitation in these is very brisk. I'd say that could be where transmissions got changed eventually. I don't recall Kenmores agitating that fast.

I've attached a link to a composite video or the wash-in a couple of years back. At 0:23 is a video of the bolt-down Kenmore washing.

Jon


CLICK HERE TO GO TO jons1077's LINK


Post# 403070 , Reply# 18   12/31/2009 at 18:54 (5,228 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

Hi Jon. Thank you for remembering the good times here in Tucson at our wash ins. I sure hope to have more in the future.
My best wishes to you both for a Happy New Year.

Ross


Post# 403071 , Reply# 19   12/31/2009 at 18:59 (5,228 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

Here is my bolt down Kenmore.



Ross


Post# 403088 , Reply# 20   12/31/2009 at 21:02 (5,228 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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wow that thing is so cool. Such a primitive beast! Was this the only bolt-down top loader produced?

Post# 403090 , Reply# 21   12/31/2009 at 21:33 (5,228 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Imagine....

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Imagine if the monkeys that deliver machines for Sears today had to install a bolt down machine.

What a mess. Bet the scratch and dent warehouse would be overflowing with these babies.

Malcolm


Post# 403126 , Reply# 22   12/31/2009 at 23:57 (5,228 days old) by ingliscanada ()        
Ross

I have seen some Inglis's and Kenmores at a later date agitating close to that speed, and I've also seen others of that make agitate slower, like about the pace of a Maytag or Speed Queen (approx 60 per minute). I think the WP BD system was built to agitate briskly, and they do at first, but as time goes on, they tend to get slower with age. My family's Inglis agitated approximately that fast, and it was from the 60's. At new, the WP BD agitation speed is comparable to an Electrolux/WCI/Kelvinator index-drive top loader, and a solid-tub filter-flo GE (approx 70 per minute). Perhaps the really old WP washers had a stronger motor than those of the later years, and were able to keep the pace longer.

Gary


Post# 403127 , Reply# 23   12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,838 days old) by ingliscanada ()        
Sorry..

The last post was for JON. I got confused with the names. Anyway, Happy New Year:)

Gary


Post# 403448 , Reply# 24   1/2/2010 at 18:56 (5,226 days old) by douglasdc6 ()        
Just returned home with the Kenmore.

Would like to thank Linda & her husband David & Robert for making this possible.

Words cannot describe how wonderful these people are .

I`ve never seen a machine like this in my life.

If anyone is interested I`ll be more then happy to post pictures tomorrow of the mechanical .

Right now I`m tired , Its ben a great day :)


Post# 403465 , Reply# 25   1/2/2010 at 22:04 (5,226 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Roger


Please post as many pictures as you can!

Congratulations for your new machine, I'm glad you got it and I'm sure you'll make it last for many years.

It's very nice when we find people like Mr and Mrs. Pauze. Unfortunately in this world it's becomming very difficult to find people like them.

If there's something I can do to help your restoration, please let me know. It will be my pleasure to help you, the same way some people here are doing "the possible and the impossible" to help me with the unimatic.

By the way, I'm almost sure that straight vane agitator still available here, not bakelite, but original from Brastemp/Whirlpool.


Post# 403640 , Reply# 26   1/3/2010 at 16:59 (5,225 days old) by douglasdc6 ()        

Jed & Thomas , Thanks for the Kind Remarks & offering to guide me through restoration.

I`m going to need another day or two to get the pictures posted .

Hopefully the mechanical pictures will answer questions.

I prefer all original condition machine`s so, the only plans I have are to do a light cleaning & save this for display only .

Linda & David told me they believe this machine was retired sometime around 1970 .


Post# 403694 , Reply# 27   1/3/2010 at 23:47 (5,225 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Weighs a Ton

My friend Jeanne sold one to a collector from California that was in her parent's house. They moved in the house in 1957 and the girls were ordered by their father never to use the machine because it wasted water. In 1962 he caught his daughter using it and cut off the hoses. They sold the house in 2005 after her father died. Dick from Palm Springs has it now.

Post# 403697 , Reply# 28   1/3/2010 at 23:55 (5,225 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Bolt down Kenmore washer

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I have a 1947 BDK and an very familar with it it uses some of the regular BD parts who ever gets can contact me and I can answer questions about it Good Luck John


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