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Post# 406789   1/17/2010 at 09:56 (5,184 days old) by kenmorepeter01 ()        

Hello...I'm deaf.

This is new Kenmore Elite front load washer

This is the internet to type "www.kenmore.com...", then click the blue text "Laundry". Then click "See it action" about new 5 spins (cycle) by video action. I hope you enjoy it!!My friend!

Peter (kenmorepeter01) ;-)





Post# 406865 , Reply# 1   1/17/2010 at 14:03 (5,184 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
Why bother----

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--to put a glass window on any appliance if you can't see through it clearly??? What the hell are they trying to hide?? The top end models that are now made by LG have a light but it's still not clearly visible because of the darned opaque windows.They look great and perform outstandingly but it's not that easy to see the interiors.What a disapointment.

Post# 407402 , Reply# 2   1/19/2010 at 12:32 (5,182 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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There's a video on YouTube that shows the different tumble actions. It's a European LG.

The different tumbles are shown at 2:30 minutes.





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Alex


Post# 407518 , Reply# 3   1/19/2010 at 20:41 (5,182 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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it seems they caught on to poor washing results from lower water levels...and this 5 way action compensates for it

time will tell if its a well thought out process


like the issue I have with my frigidaire FL...too little water and the drum rotates too fast, not allowing the clothes to plunge into the water


Post# 407537 , Reply# 4   1/19/2010 at 21:38 (5,182 days old) by spiceman1957 ()        
Amen

Yogitunes, I could not say it better. And I have probably the first Elite machine. I like it and hate it at the same time. Read the posts on this (if you haven't already) early this month regarding this issue of water level.
John


Post# 407569 , Reply# 5   1/19/2010 at 22:53 (5,182 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        
Spiceman.....

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I have so far I think got the only solution so far to increase the water level in the frigidaires.....I now have my water up to the window

If I need to I can draw a diagram


Post# 407589 , Reply# 6   1/20/2010 at 03:32 (5,182 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        
Some of

those rythms seems to put a lot stress on the motor by switching directions very fast. I have no idea what there lifetime will be.

Post# 407763 , Reply# 7   1/20/2010 at 16:45 (5,181 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I don't see how the "stress factor" would be an issue with a beltless,direct drive,DC motor as it would be with a belt drive front loader.All the newer front loading washers since '95 have a reverse tumble anyway. So,why would these different patterns of tumbling have ANY effect on the machine they run???

Post# 407782 , Reply# 8   1/20/2010 at 17:55 (5,181 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Modern FL's

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Other machines allow the basket to come to a stop or resting position before changing directions.

I suppose that eliminating the pause would increase the speed of the cleaning. Maybe the wash cycles wont have to be so long.

Something to keep an eye on in the future...

Malcolm


Post# 407800 , Reply# 9   1/20/2010 at 18:24 (5,181 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well During That

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Water is being poured over the laundry from above via the paddles. At least that is how it is done on my Miele with it's "scoop and ladle" wash system

Remember how front loaders clean; basically compressing the water/detergent solution through laundry, much as what happens when one washes laundry by hand (or against a brick).

Shorter or eliminating the pauses in theory should increase the washing action, but it could also increase textile wear as well.



Post# 407819 , Reply# 10   1/20/2010 at 19:25 (5,181 days old) by favorit ()        
Bearings are more stressed by that swing cadence

IMHO Askomiele is right.
Reverse tumbles have a idle time in between. The drum can really stop.


This LG "swing" move doesn't pause. Think of a full 11 KG load swinging back n forth that way during the washboard/friction mode (2:36). When the motor reverses, the drum (then the shaft) is still turning in the opposite way (in other words it has a remarkable opposite inertial torque). Bearings and the shaft itself have to bear some additional stress, wearing them faster.

About reverse tumbles since 1995, is this a typo ?
Even the very first *automatic* frontloaders did have reverse tumble ( vid of a bolt down Constructa K3, 1956). Really the Bendix FLs didn't reverse,
while the italian Philco cousins did ?? Can't believe that after the Launderall there weren't no more reverse tumbles till the 90s ....







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Post# 407820 , Reply# 11   1/20/2010 at 19:30 (5,181 days old) by appnut (TX)        
About reverse tumbles since 1995, is this a typo ?

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No it's not a typo. Chuck was referring to U.S. front loaders since 1995, nothing to do with European products. Although the Launderall and the 20 Westinghouse commercial Laundroma did auto reverse during tumbling.

Post# 407827 , Reply# 12   1/20/2010 at 19:46 (5,181 days old) by favorit ()        
scoop & ladle ....

is not only a Miele thing. BSH ( Bosch Siemens), various Electrolux alias in many non-jetsystem models, Speed Queen and many others use it.

Miele difference is a multiple speed pattern to enhance both tumbling action and shower effect. Old Novotronics tumble 5.5 seconds @ 55 rpm (best tumble wash action) then slow down to 40 rpm (best showering) for further 5.5 seconds - 4 sec pause ---> reverse tumble

IMHO this miele pattern is a way to walk around the Zanussi-Electrolux Jetsystem patent ...



Post# 407835 , Reply# 13   1/20/2010 at 20:12 (5,181 days old) by favorit ()        
shocked !!

Now it makes sense why whirlpool decided to produce Duets in Germany despite of costs ... it seems that US producers closed in a storage all the FL know-how and threw away the key..... to the point that the Launderall seems to come from future rather than from the past.

Not to mention the fact that some US HA washers gave some inspiration to some of their european counterparts. Vintage V-Zug Unimatics look close to the Launderall ..... and what about those bolt-down, non spinning Miele 307 that look a bit ... Bendish ?



Post# 407887 , Reply# 14   1/20/2010 at 23:07 (5,181 days old) by kenmorepeter01 ()        
See Yahoo's Ad

Did you see Yahoo's AD the action of the new Kenmore Elite on lower right side??


Peter (kenmorepeter01)


Post# 407959 , Reply# 15   1/21/2010 at 07:27 (5,181 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

Saw a TV commercial about it and was curious on what this group would think.

Post# 407976 , Reply# 16   1/21/2010 at 08:28 (5,181 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
TV Commercial

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Post# 407987 , Reply# 17   1/21/2010 at 09:43 (5,180 days old) by re563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        
I have to agree with..

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laundromat, why put a window in the door and then cover it up with a dark lens that you can't really see through--what's the point??? I did go see these machines a the local sears store, I do like the look of them, just not the darken-out window. I WANT TO SEE IN!!!

Post# 408018 , Reply# 18   1/21/2010 at 11:55 (5,180 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
my point exactly

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What are these people trying to hide from customers???? Is it the fear of someone looking into the window becoming horrified by seeing racing stripes on your husband's/wife's/partner's underware??Is it that too many customers are wining about too little water use???Whatever their reason,I don't agree.Yes,washer dryers of today,especialy the high end front loaders,can and have become design icons in the laundry room.No longer being hidden out of site from guests or visitors.However,I see no reason to try to hide the interior or it's movements.To me,it looks like they're embarresed to allow anyone to watch it work.Furthermore,why spend all that time and money on the smoked glass and have an interior light??? WTF?????? Maybe we here at AW need to get a petition started and send it to Sears as well as LG,GE and Frigidaire (Electrolux).

Post# 408021 , Reply# 19   1/21/2010 at 12:03 (5,180 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
Just to be clear---

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Yes,the punn was ment to be.Does everyone here remember the early 70's ranges?Do you remember how you still had to open the darn oven doors because the black glass window just didn't cut it? Cakes would fall from the shaking caused by opening the door and so would your soufle's. It wasn't till around the 90's that the range manufacturers decided that a clear,larger see through glass door was more practicle enabling one to actualy look inside to see the food cooking without opening the door---imagine that.i think the smoked or black glass was introduced to hide the splatters and burnt on stins on the insid of the window as well as the dirt on the walls especialy the old cotinuous clean models.

Post# 408023 , Reply# 20   1/21/2010 at 12:05 (5,180 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I need to buy two vowels!!Thanks Vanna!!!LOL

Post# 408881 , Reply# 21   1/23/2010 at 23:10 (5,178 days old) by kenmorepeter01 ()        
Sears

Hello!!

Did you go to the Sears to see new Kenmore Elite (frontload)?

Did you have some handle touch and turns of the control programs (text)? (run of the cycle)

And, are you look little clear of the glass door?

Peter (kenmorepeter01)


Post# 408889 , Reply# 22   1/24/2010 at 01:15 (5,178 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Just my opinion, but i think people are reluctant to embrace the "wet nap" washing method. As far as the dark tint on the windows, it may create an optical illusion, much like when you use a carpet (steam) cleaner. The clear nozzles appear to be vacuuming up a river of water, when in reality, it's a trickle of very dirty water. Just my 2 pennies. alr2903

Post# 408901 , Reply# 23   1/24/2010 at 03:31 (5,178 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I went to Sears a few weeks ago and saw the machine. The machine is too light in weight for my taste.
Cheapened metal for the price.


Post# 408933 , Reply# 24   1/24/2010 at 08:26 (5,178 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

It's nice and cute that LG and Kenmore are doing this, but given what is required in order to support the instant reversing action, you need some heavy duty parts. Bearings because of sudden shifting weight, and also heavier weight. I would think that the shaft would have to be reinforced as well. A direct drive motor is great but the sudden reversing and stopping does create tremendous stress on it. Sudden reversing creates extra heat and requires more current supplied to the motor in order to perform that task. This reversing then creates heat. I sure hope they reinforced the windings, stator, shaft and control systems. If not something is gonna break in a very violent way. Now, knowing past machines, when something breaks, the part or assembly of parts is so expensive that it makes no sense to repair the machine or the part that breaks totally destroys the machine. It will be interesting to see how long it is before these machines start showing up in used repair shops.


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