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Second-hand parts for beloved 1965 AEG Lavamat
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Post# 407352   1/19/2010 at 08:53 (5,182 days old) by usowapilipili ()        

Hi. My parents bought this AEG Lavamat Nova Regina in early 1965 (along with the Minerva Drier in the picture). After 45 years of hard work (twenty of them washing for a family of six) the drum crosspiece (???="croisillon de tambour" in French) has broken. They are very attached to it and don't want to buy another machine, but I hate to see my 77-year-old mam washing clothes by hand.
Does anybody know where I might find an old broken machine that could provide parts for it?
Many thanks.
Jez





Post# 407385 , Reply# 1   1/19/2010 at 11:38 (5,182 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Its all pot luck I am afraid!

Hi Jez.

Welcome to the club and what a great challenge you have set us!!!!
Can understand totally why your mum doesnt want to replace such a great machine. They definately dont build them like they used to.

Superb and solid machines but, like with everything really, time takes its toll and components give in.

I assume what you are referring to is the drum spider at the back of the washtub, similar to the component shown below?

If so then that will be extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to come by.
Now I dont pretend to know the ins and outs of AEG machines, vintage or new, but i would have thought that the design of this component on your mums machine will have moved on and be incompatible with that component today.

Its generally the case that the earliest AEG machines you will find, coming in for scrap, would hail from the 1980s and I cant conceive of the designs being compatible. Might be wrong though.

Does your mums Lavamat Nova Regina have a model number at all, written on the back at all? In these days of computers, spares shop systems dont tend to go by names any more and for those with access to shops might find a model number more useful than a name.

Thats my two penniesworth I am afraid. All I can do is keep my fingers crossed that someone will be able to come up trumps with the required part, to keep the machine going a little bit longer.

What I can also do is plead for you and your mum, should a spare part not be forthcoming, not to scrap the machine or the dryer for that matter.
They are both wonderful machines and, working or not, deserve a better fate than being given to the council.

Regards
Paul






Post# 407389 , Reply# 2   1/19/2010 at 11:41 (5,182 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Or do you mean this component....

.....the drum pulley, which the belt from the motor goes around?

Probably just as much of an impossibility to find, but useful to know exactly what component is the cause of the issue.

Regards
Paul


Post# 408362 , Reply# 3   1/22/2010 at 11:25 (5,179 days old) by usowapilipili ()        
AEG Lavamat nova regina model number

Mr Paul - Your Excellency
Thank you so much for your prompt reply, and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

These are the numbers on the front of the machine:

Typ 605 131 355
F. Nr. 25/2775 23
Nova REG
At first, I though that the "F" in F. Nr. meant it was a French serial number, but in fact they bought the machine in Germany and it's clearly a model for the German market since all the washing instructions are in German. Could it be for 'Federal'?

As to the part which is broken, I'm pretty sure that it's the first you mention, i.e. the drum spider:

a) because the bloke from the shop which repaired the old girl about three years ago (when Regina had the only other glitsh she's known) said that the part we need is attached to the shaft - and I can see in your picture that this is the case with the drum spider - and that we might be able to recover the old shaft and fix the new "croisillon de tambour" onto it. He also said we would almost certainly be able to get the bearings from SKF or a similar firm even if AEG won't supply them - I've done this with crank shaft and gearbox bearings in my old Honda;
b) because I have opened the back of the machine and can see what I think is the drum pulley (the big wheel with the belt around it) and can't see any cracks on it; and
c) above all because when I went to the shop with the washing machine diagram I'd downloaded from the net the bloke definitely did not point to the drum pulley (see below)... However, here are the rubs.

1. I can't manage to find any mention of a machine starting with the serial number 605131 on the main French AEG/Electrolux site or any other French search engines (and don't speak any German so haven't yet tried on the German one).

2. I did find the washing machine diagram (which I've tried to attach) on an English spare parts website - I thought it was the main AEG/Electrolux one but apparently not since can't see it on their list. However, the serial number they gave for Lavamat Nova Regina does not exactly correspond to the number on our machine:
E. Nr. 605 131 905/915 (instead of 355 at the end). Presumably the "E" in E. Nr. means English Number - but is it possible that all of the last three digits in the number are country specific?

3. The main thing, though, is that you can't actually see the drum spider in the diagram, so that when I showed the diagram to the bloke in the shop, he at first pointed to the end of the shaft, and underlined a part number (864 167 000), which, when he looked it up on his (Portuguese - to make matters simple! - search engine) turned out to just be a washer on the shaft. He therefore concluded that what I needed was part 645 406 640 (or 540?) which appears to be the shaft itself, on the assumption that it comes as just one piece. Since I don't know the first thing about washing machines, I can't help being a little sceptical - how come is such a large and apparently indispensable part not listed or illustrated or a diagram which appears to list every single bearing, circlip and washer?

Anyway, that's about as much info as I can give - assuming I can't manage to find the part itself, is it completely impossible to get one machined - giving all the specs to a private engineering firm? I know it would be horribly expensive, but would it actually be impossible to get those specs from AEG? You would have thought that they might take a certain pride in a machine that's worked so hard for 45 years and might go out of their way to help, but obviously that's not the way the world works... As to your final comment about not chucking her out - well, I think you can see that me mam (and myself too now) are trying to do all we can to keep her alive.
Sorry to have taken up so much of your time.
Kind regards
Jez


Post# 408907 , Reply# 4   1/24/2010 at 04:22 (5,177 days old) by usowapilipili ()        

And by the way, I'm very sorry I told a lie in my first post: the Minerva in the picture is actually only a wee babe at 36-7 years old: they bought that in the early seventies!

Post# 409020 , Reply# 5   1/24/2010 at 12:32 (5,177 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
AAAAHHH! my very own baby has a british sister ;-)))

hi Jez,

AAAALLLLL Novas come to daddy now *just kidding*
Ok, the doctor is in and here are my remarks:

I own exactly the same machine 605 131 355, along with a slightly newer model Nova L. (this 605 xxx xxx was called E-Nr. (Elektrogeräte-Nummer) = PNC of today, product number code)
F-Number is not "federal" but "Fertigungs-Nummer" (manufacturing no. or if you will "serial no." describing release date and delivery batch.
Codes for foreign countries would have been given as this: 605 131 355 E (England) or F (Frankreich) or A, CH etc.


In your model was a liquid-filled (oil?) stabiliser ring in the back of the drum (note the curved back surface of the drum, 4 metal baffles in the drum). Just one series later they switched to a sand-filled version (my Nova L with 4 plastic baffles), after this came the drums with a 6-armed star pattern in the back, no stabiliser ring at all but another suspension geometry for the tub (this drum has 3 plastic baffles and went into all AEGs until the 80s).
This is the reason why I doubt you might go for 6xx xxx 915 series part.

AEG doesn't exist anymore, the "AEG" Electrolux people of today administrate all parts down to 9xx.xxx.xxx numbers (the newer Öko-Lavamats with LEDs) and higher (those with LCDs). But not earlier, I had a hard time cranking a wiring diagram for 605 131 355 from the headquarters' historical archives (which they are currently shreddering away bit by bit).

I suggest that we make your search public on the German washer forum, perhaps some friends can help out, some run their own washer repair shops.
I will post this link there tonight.

May I ask you to scan and mail me your parts diagrams? I will return all schematics that I have in the reply.

And holy washer god, you own the Minerva!!!! *drool* (I have been googling my fingers off for months to find one...)

All the best, I keep my fingers crossed.
Cheers
Joe


CLICK HERE TO GO TO whirlpolf's LINK


Post# 409027 , Reply# 6   1/24/2010 at 12:44 (5,177 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
Link to the tread itself

here's the German thread

CLICK HERE TO GO TO whirlpolf's LINK


Post# 409044 , Reply# 7   1/24/2010 at 13:04 (5,177 days old) by bertrum ()        

Sadly all parts long since obsolete.
Supprised to see they are still listed on the electrolux website though!


Post# 409046 , Reply# 8   1/24/2010 at 13:06 (5,177 days old) by bertrum ()        

Thats the link you are after I think...

www.electrolux.co.uk/node305.aspx...


Post# 409048 , Reply# 9   1/24/2010 at 13:09 (5,177 days old) by bertrum ()        

Also Im sure you dont need me to tell you to add to 899 before part numbers in AEG tradition.

Post# 409078 , Reply# 10   1/24/2010 at 14:55 (5,177 days old) by whirlpolf ()        
*gasp*

Bertrum! You made my day!

It never occurred to me that in foreign countries there might still be something available (at least data sheets).

Maaaan, was I mailing, phoning, pleading them to get me at least some small nibbles.... (thankfully accepting a grumpy "we don't have it anymore, that stuff is too old" after the 20th call) - goodness.

Thanks so much, this will be a looong time saving them now.
;-)
Joe



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