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Post# 414745   2/12/2010 at 11:51 (5,186 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Ok, for starters I have to say the main focus for this thread is my apparent need for a new extra rinse selector switch for my 68 GE washer. The stem is made of plastic and it finally broke right off. I'm sure this must be an easy-to-find little part but want to be sure I get the right thing or even see if someone on here has one laying around and doesn't mind parting with it. In the photo it's the knob on the right that is a very simple "on/off" switch. Any help is always much appreciate and many GE's will smile upon you from above! On another note, since we're talking about extra rinse options, I noticed we never really bring that subject up on here. I only have two machines that provide this option, this GE and a 1970 pushbutton Kenmore. I know suggestions on the machines involve using this option for heavily soiled items. It's pretty rare that I have such dirty laundry. The only time I use it is when using chlorine bleach in the wash. Anyone care to share thoughts and parts? Jon |
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Post# 414746 , Reply# 1   2/12/2010 at 11:52 (5,186 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 414747 , Reply# 2   2/12/2010 at 12:01 (5,186 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Since I'm talking about this particular machine noticed something else interesting that I hope some of you who own these GE's or have used them can chime in on. My grandmother's machine (identical to this one except a 1969 model) as well as my other grandmother's 1980s Hotpoint both had spray rinses that lasted throughout the rinse spin of the Permanent Press cycle. It would start shortly after the spin began and would the spray would remain on through the spin and would not end until the tub was full for the deep rinse. The GE I have in these pictures actually does not do that and it's the first one I've come across like it. I figured it was a timer issue (perhaps a cam was broken or something). The other day I was swapping out the drive belt (the original belt finally couldn't handle it and was slipping, not bad for 40+ years though) and got to looking at the timer diagram on the back panel. Sure enough it looks like the spray rinse is supposed to be short and not span the entire spin. I'd really like to hear what other's experience with these machines. Anywho, you all know your assignments now. :-) Jon |
Post# 414776 , Reply# 4   2/12/2010 at 15:23 (5,185 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)   |   | |
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I only use double rinse if I've used a Soak or Prewash cycle prior to the regular cycle. I double up the detergent and my Speed Queen runs the cycles together - so, double detergent in PreWash, then it washes normally (no additional detergent), then double rinse away. I've only done this probably 5x in 10 years. I have a hard time using double rinse because that's a waste of 40 gallons. A friend of mine use to always double rinse. I asked why--said he thought you had to since his mom always did. lol. I think using the proper amount of detergent works best to begin with...if you need double detergent, then double rinse. That's just me, but then again I don't usually have any super dirty clothes or anything. |
Post# 414785 , Reply# 5   2/12/2010 at 15:48 (5,185 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)   |   | |
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Post# 414791 , Reply# 6   2/12/2010 at 16:24 (5,185 days old) by ptcruiser51 (Boynton Beach, FL)   |   | |
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Post# 414792 , Reply# 7   2/12/2010 at 16:27 (5,185 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA)   |   | |
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My '79 Filter Flo does not spray rinse through the entire spin on Permanent Press. It starts when the water level "resets" during spin drain, and goes for somewhere over a minute (I have never really timed it). My mom had a '93 Hotpoint washer that did spray from reset to the end of the final rinse fill. So, beats me why some did, some didn't.... Extra rinses....yep, sign me up. I have a whole house softener, so a few suds in the rinse are normal. I look for FEW suds, and clear water. I always check on the wash to see if I have enough soap, and then the rinse to see what the water looks like. Typically, for normal dosed loads, I do not need to double rinse at all, thanks to that loooong spin spray rinse BEFORE the rinse itself. I am pretty anal about well rinsed clothes....and do not hesitate to extra rinse. Same with my Miele... :) |
Post# 414793 , Reply# 8   2/12/2010 at 16:28 (5,185 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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I might still have some GE knobs around, I'll check tomorrow. |
Post# 414794 , Reply# 9   2/12/2010 at 16:31 (5,185 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 414797 , Reply# 10   2/12/2010 at 16:34 (5,185 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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top loaders,yes. front loaders,no. The one main feature I don't like of the Filter-Flos is the backwash that comes out during the main rinse fill.All the front loaders I've had have shown clear rinse water by the second rinse.No backwash.The top loading Whirlpools with the recirculating brush filter never had that issue. Only the actual GE Filter -Flo units and the Hotpoints had that issue.
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Post# 414821 , Reply# 11   2/12/2010 at 17:49 (5,185 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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Actually, The 1967 Kenmore washer with the waterfall filter, always dumped the suds built up in the filter into the rinse water. I always had wisheed they would have spent alittle more money and gotten the next model up that hsd the self cleaning filter. I rarely, if ever use the second rinse. I use the sears detergent, and it does not suds in my machine ( a GE Profile) and so my rinses come out nice and clear. |
Post# 414825 , Reply# 12   2/12/2010 at 18:30 (5,185 days old) by dogboy44 (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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I just like to, couldn't hurt, right? |
Post# 414842 , Reply# 13   2/12/2010 at 21:12 (5,185 days old) by strongenough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 414866 , Reply# 15   2/12/2010 at 22:48 (5,185 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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I have to say I'm surprised. I figured a lot fewer of you guys would say you used additional rinses. I also never thought about it from a softening standpoint on items such as towels. That's one I'll have to try for sure. I also find I'm pretty sensative to bleach on my whites and without question those get an extra rinse usually with warm water. Hope to see more responses to this thread! This is great! Jon |
Post# 414871 , Reply# 16   2/12/2010 at 23:02 (5,185 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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Anyting I wash with chlorine bleach gets a double rinse unless it is in the Kelvy, or WCI-63 since both of those machines have extraordinary rinse cycles anyway. F/L Always set of Extra Rinse. A great option on any machine! |
Post# 414923 , Reply# 17   2/13/2010 at 03:47 (5,185 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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Another extra rinse fan here too. Toggles, I am with you. If I don't rinse out every bit of soap my skin itches, burns and just ticks me off. Some detergents are worse than others. Persil and FOCA powders don't cause itching and rinse very well. |
Post# 415075 , Reply# 20   2/13/2010 at 15:24 (5,184 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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No Ge knobs yet, I have Hotpoint knobs. Will those work? Still looking for GE knobs. |
Post# 415084 , Reply# 21   2/13/2010 at 15:40 (5,184 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 415095 , Reply# 22   2/13/2010 at 15:58 (5,184 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 415099 , Reply# 23   2/13/2010 at 16:15 (5,184 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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I am a confirmed extra rinser. It seems the only way to make lasting peace with a front loader. |
Post# 415105 , Reply# 25   2/13/2010 at 16:24 (5,184 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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both top loaders I owned HAD to have 2nd rinse on practically all the time. My 1978 GE had a weak pump (wouldn't surprise me due to parts shortages the std. capacity pump was put on my 18 pound machine--there was a strike at GE around the time mine was made). The Lady Shredmore didn't have a spray rinse at all between wash & rinse so first rinse was still sudsy. I don't mind using the feature on my Frigidaire front loader since it uses about 1/3 to 1/2 the water my top loaders did with extra rinses.
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Post# 415106 , Reply# 26   2/13/2010 at 16:25 (5,184 days old) by jeffg ()   |   | |
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Jonathan, sorry for the OT question: Where was your personal pic taken? I'm wondering what the gold Apple records are on the wall. |
Post# 415122 , Reply# 27   2/13/2010 at 16:53 (5,184 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 415152 , Reply# 28   2/13/2010 at 19:06 (5,184 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Post# 415171 , Reply# 29   2/13/2010 at 20:23 (5,184 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Here's a confusing one for you......I have 2 Maytag digital stacked washer/dryers....Model LSE1000 bought both off craigslist......my latest find spin/spray rinses for both spins....one does, one does not....ODD....just never seen a maytag spray on the last spin extra rinse not available for this model........but since it is a one speed model, I can select permanent press, and increase the last spin time....which works out about the same....good for towels, and really dirty laundry... |
Post# 415177 , Reply# 30   2/13/2010 at 20:27 (5,184 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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as for your switch replacement....go to an electrical supply store....take your old switch and knob with you....and they'll match a switch that will fit the machine and knob, and the same 90 degree turn..... did this with a dryer switch that was NLA.....8 bucks later, and I was in action again.... just a thought |
Post# 415183 , Reply# 32   2/13/2010 at 20:58 (5,184 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Thanks for the idea about the electrical store. I'll give that a shot and also will swing by the old Maytag store down the street. Sometimes they have older parts laying around. As far as the digital Maytags, I'm surprised one of those is 1-speed. Interesting about the spray rinses too. Only the Kenmore and my 1-18 do a spray rinse during the final spin. It doesn't seem like much but I find it helps get some of that softener off the clothes too. Kelly, those are great looking Maytags there! Too bad they never put windows on those! Jon |
Post# 415188 , Reply# 33   2/13/2010 at 21:19 (5,184 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I happened into the room with the Maytag as it was doing it's last regular rinse. There were 17 minutes remaining. The washer sped up like trying to spin but the pump didn't activate. It made a lot of water and clothing noise which I suppose makes it efficient in moving water through the clothes. I was only surprised to hear it because it sounded as if it was trying to do two things at once.This is intentional behavior, one of the changes put in place on later models to help flush the outer tub and boot to ward-off residue and that gnasty mold/mildew stuff. As I recall, the retrofit kit for older models (new boot, etc.) included a control board with the changed programming. |
Post# 415198 , Reply# 34   2/13/2010 at 22:32 (5,184 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 415201 , Reply# 35   2/13/2010 at 23:07 (5,184 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 415207 , Reply# 36   2/13/2010 at 23:18 (5,184 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 415212 , Reply# 37   2/13/2010 at 23:26 (5,184 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 415368 , Reply# 38   2/14/2010 at 13:31 (5,184 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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With the Frigidaires, it unnecessary and a real waste of water. In the KM/WP's, a faint scent of Lilac Tide remains; and since scent is a must for me, it's great that the WP/KM's don't snuff it all out, less tight spinning, ya know. Very satisfying. But I do love playing with all of the controls and using them as uch as possible, so...... I do confess to going up to a sleeping machine, the GE and the WP are my usual targets, and turning the extra rinse switch (GE) or pressing its button (WP), and watching the magic as they sit all quiet for a bit, and then click and whoosh, here comes the water. Then I just morph it into whatever cycle the waiting load needs. My new washer guru, John Combo, insists that over-rinsing is bad for the machine's longevity, but I don't have the material mastered yet, so I'll let him explain if he's of a mind to it. It involves total removal of lubricants which promote early corrosions of metal and mechanicals. Speaking of GE rinse dials, I have an extra one. Your welcome to it. Light as a feather, it will cost pennies to send. It's so small I'll have to find a nice little troll coffin to send it in ;-> |
Post# 415370 , Reply# 39   2/14/2010 at 13:50 (5,184 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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What would I do without you??? Gosh you are the nicest! I really appreciate that so much. As far as the shortened life of a machine due to extra rinsing, I would imagine it would take years and years of non-stop extra rinsing to actually cause damage of that sort. But who knows? I always sort of thought the GE Filter-Flos would do slightly better rinsing just with the simple fact that it's a water hog and could better dilute detergents, etc. Jon |
Post# 415700 , Reply# 40   2/15/2010 at 10:55 (5,183 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Thank you so much for the insight. I am coming to a place of agreement with the front loaders and the results are acceptable. The 806 stands in the corner waiting to get back to work again. |
Post# 415704 , Reply# 41   2/15/2010 at 11:36 (5,183 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 416838 , Reply# 42   2/19/2010 at 13:24 (5,179 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 416865 , Reply# 43   2/19/2010 at 14:53 (5,179 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 416901 , Reply# 44   2/19/2010 at 16:53 (5,178 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 417244 , Reply# 45   2/20/2010 at 23:14 (5,177 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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I did get the knob you sent in the mail today. Thank you so much! However, I hate to say this but it's the actually switch I need. hehe...the part behind the panel. So if you need that knob for one of your machines I don't mind sending it back to you. I really do appreciate you doing that. Really so very nice of you! I'll locate a switch one of these days so no worries. Jon |
Post# 417246 , Reply# 46   2/20/2010 at 23:56 (5,177 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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...I carefully measure detergent (original Oxydol), and I very seldom use chlorine bleach since my partner died; it's not needed for its disinfecting abilities these days. OxiClean is pretty much sufficient now. I have some skin sensitivity issues, but they're not centered around laundry products, and maybe that has something to do with my perception that I don't need a double rinse. I tend to trust good appliances to do their thing; I've never felt a need to micro-manage them the way my partner did. Now, there was a double rinser! Me, I like a nice clean machine with a decent set of features, then I like to measure the products I'm using, then I want to set the cycle and walk away, blessing the sound of the machine doing the work while I do something else. |
Post# 417319 , Reply# 47   2/21/2010 at 10:10 (5,177 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 417360 , Reply# 48   2/21/2010 at 13:30 (5,177 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 417376 , Reply# 49   2/21/2010 at 15:47 (5,176 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 417478 , Reply# 50   2/22/2010 at 00:18 (5,176 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 417481 , Reply# 51   2/22/2010 at 00:35 (5,176 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 953192 , Reply# 52   8/17/2017 at 08:23 (2,443 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Not even a load that I HAVE to do this with, as a rule I DON'T!
And not just an EXTRA RINSE but an Extra (or Second) WARM RINSE... Which is too bad that is only available with a Warm WASH, so some other time I will have to do a Hot Wash, and then go back to change the Temperature Selector's Rinse to Warm... Yes, these clothes are going to feel VERY WARM,--EVEN HOT!--coming out, so just for kicks, show us yours... Here is mine: -- Dave |
Post# 953201 , Reply# 53   8/17/2017 at 09:01 (2,443 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Here she is, hard at work & needing more water & gas, jus' doin' 'er job, not just a Second Rinse but a Second (or Extra) SPIN:
Stuff'll be pretty tepid, comin' out, too... -- Dave |
Post# 953209 , Reply# 54   8/17/2017 at 09:43 (2,443 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 953222 , Reply# 55   8/17/2017 at 11:17 (2,443 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Selected an extra rinse on front-loaders when liquid chlorine bleach was involved; otherwise no.
I've found no reason to use an extra rinse with the top-loading Speed Queen---even with loads given a dose of bleach. Aside: I'm filling the SQ with warm or hot water on the Heavy Duty cycle, then cancelling and selecting the Normal Eco cycle more often than I thought I would. I get a hot wash but cut way back on the total gallons used. Win-win! Now that I have to watch every gallon or risk overwhelming the Culligan switch-out tank, I've lost my fear of the much-maligned Normal Eco cycle. Never, ever with loads of bleached kitchen/personal whites, of course. I've been washing loads of bath towels with Rosalie's Zero Suds and even those are doing fine on the Normal cycle. |
Post# 953223 , Reply# 56   8/17/2017 at 11:18 (2,443 days old) by gredmondson (San Francisco, California 94117 USA)   |   | |
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Post# 953234 , Reply# 57   8/17/2017 at 12:16 (2,443 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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With front load washers, yes I do an extra rinse, always have with FL's. The little 18 year old Miele does 4 rinses by default with no option for more and I'm fine with that.
When using an older top load (non h.e.) washer however, I do not do extra rinses, UNLESS... I added way too much detergent (only happened once) or what I'm washing was SUPER dirty. Just can't wrap my head around all the water they use, especially when filling the tub 3 times, plus the spray rinse.
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Post# 953235 , Reply# 58   8/17/2017 at 12:19 (2,443 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK)   |   | |
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I don't think anyone needs several rinses? I mean.. no offence but my laundry comes out fresh and clean.. No detergent residue or anything. I'm using an importen US/Australian TL washer, it first sprays the laundry in the rinse and then fills with water and that counts as one rinse. It looks like a lot of water having grown up with only FL washers but I do love a TL! Which are so hard to find in Europe |
Post# 953252 , Reply# 59   8/17/2017 at 15:05 (2,443 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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1) Calypso - don't use it much, usually for chlorine bleach on whites. 2) Neptune TL - a little more often but not on every load, always with bleach. 3) Intuitive Eco - sets per cycle to either of whatever is the default rinse, or two choices for Shower Rinse (if that isn't the default). 4) Intuitive Eco - four choices for default rinse on all cycles, except some cycles are "hardwired" for Double Deep. Muddy cycle runs two deep rinses and sprays in the final spin, plus a prewash (four water changes plus the sprays). 5) Whirlpool Gold - used Extra Rinse once that I recall. |
Post# 953258 , Reply# 60   8/17/2017 at 16:03 (2,442 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 953264 , Reply# 61   8/17/2017 at 16:45 (2,442 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 953277 , Reply# 62   8/17/2017 at 17:19 (2,442 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 953280 , Reply# 63   8/17/2017 at 17:31 (2,442 days old) by gregingotham (New York)   |   | |
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i agree with Mickeyd...in a Frigidaire 1-18 you don't need a second rinse. Many times after the initial rinse during the spin, the rinse water of the deep rinse is pretty clear. Then they get another spray during the final spin. That's enough! |
Post# 953295 , Reply# 64   8/17/2017 at 20:12 (2,442 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 953297 , Reply# 65   8/17/2017 at 20:25 (2,442 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 953314 , Reply# 66   8/17/2017 at 21:36 (2,442 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Several rinses has always been the norm. Though modern units can get away with two or three (maybe four) thanks to fact most extract after main wash and between each rinse. Washers of old (h-axis) such as my old Miele often only gave a short pulse spin between second and or third rinse, then a full spin before final. This often meant four, five or more rinses.
Older "washers" only where laundry was transferred to an extractor also had four or more rinses for same reason. My AEG Lavamat even on "normal" with four rinses does better than the older Miele, again largely because it spins after wash and between rinses. Oddly if one chooses "Sensitive" then there are two deep rinses, spin, then three or four more rinses (cannot recall offhand). What gets me about the AEG Oko-Lavamat is the machine allots one hour or a bit more for rinsing and final spin drying. Top loading washers since they use high dilution detergents shouldn't require more than one or two rinses. Use of chlorine bleach or some other chemicals may change that a bit. Of course when laundry was or is being done with soap several rinses (with a few in hot or boiling water) were the norm; but that was more about getting all that soap out of washing. Then came bluing, and maybe starching as well. |
Post# 953327 , Reply# 68   8/17/2017 at 23:00 (2,442 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 953347 , Reply# 69   8/18/2017 at 03:53 (2,442 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Launderess-- I grew up with a mom who used bluing for all loads of whites. She'd dilute a few drops in a half-cup of water and pour it in the timed dispenser of our Kenmore. It was fun to watch the blue appear during rinse fill--which was programmed as warm on most cycles of our machine. She dissolved Argo starch in very hot water and added some something called Satina (I think). It was a little solid, blue chunk she'd break off a bar of the stuff; supposedly made ironing starched items easier.
Edit: Found a photo of Satina via Google. |
Post# 953349 , Reply# 70   8/18/2017 at 04:12 (2,442 days old) by potatochips ( )   |   | |
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Normally no, unless it's very dirty clothes or bleached items. |
Post# 953363 , Reply# 71   8/18/2017 at 07:41 (2,442 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)   |   | |
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I ALWAYS go for extra rinsing. If I've used chlorine bleach, I actually send the machine round on a second wash cycle with fresh detergent, learned the hard way (skin allergy reaction) how important it is to do that. |
Post# 953371 , Reply# 73   8/18/2017 at 08:40 (2,442 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 953382 , Reply# 74   8/18/2017 at 09:17 (2,442 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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It's a rarity that I do a second rinse, only in a suds-lock situations. I find the faster the washer spins (rpm speed wise) between the wash and the rinse, the clearer the rinse water has a tendency to be. Solid tubs I find are superior are rinsing IMO, once the suds and dirty water is thrown over the top into the outer tub it never can come in contact with that wash load again. Perforated tub machines can sometimes reintroduce the suds in the rinse, especially if they have suds-locked and then I will do a second rinse.
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Post# 953499 , Reply# 76   8/19/2017 at 05:00 (2,441 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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In addition to perforated tubs, recirculating filtering systems can also reintroduce some suds into rinses. The first shot of water that came through the filter of our 1960 Kenmore often contained suds. The coin-op GE Filter-Flo in the laundry room of my freshman dorm did the same, but to a lesser extent as I recall. The worst offender, though, was my 1986 Frigidaire.
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Post# 953502 , Reply# 77   8/19/2017 at 05:12 (2,441 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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