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Post# 74379   7/21/2005 at 03:21 (6,825 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Bosch has started to release the second generation of their "Nexxt" washer and dryer line.

New to the line up are lower priced models (Essence) and higher end (more bells and whistles), line (DLX).

Besides some cycle changes on various models, and probably a few bugs and kinks worked out, it looks like Bosch did not tamper much with their very popular laundry line up. It has been reported that Bosch has also increased production at their North Carolina factory where these units are made.

If these units weren't so darn "deep" (almost 32")I'd have one in a New York minute.

Seems a shame Maytag had to import Samsung units instead of putting the R&D into a product like Bosch did. This is probably one of the reasons Maytag is going under.

Launderess


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Post# 74412 , Reply# 1   7/21/2005 at 09:42 (6,825 days old) by westtexman (Lubbock, Texas)        

Done anyone have a Bosch Nexxt? I have heard mixed reviews about them. I would love to have one, but I'm not sure they're better than a true H-Axis machine such as the Axxis, Miele or Asko. Opinions?

Also, I don't see too many differences between the 3200 and the Premium 6400. Both have internal heaters that heat up to 155 degrees, and both have "Power Wash" options, which allow for a true profile wash. My only concern is with the heater. I like the 205 degrees and 190 that are available in the Asko and the Miele, respectively. Is there really that much difference in cleaning performance at 155 degrees vs. 205 degrees? I have stopped using bleach now that i wash whites at 200 degrees using European detergents with oxygen bleach. Thoughts?


Post# 74474 , Reply# 2   7/21/2005 at 20:24 (6,825 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        
I have a bosch

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I've had one for about 1 1/2 now and its great. I did take some getting use to. I had the old neptune 3000, then 7500 and they were not as picky about what kind of soap I used. The bosch is picky and will turn its knobs up at anything other than he and powder cheer. The cheer I have to be very stingy with. Once I got past that it now sails thru wash day flawlessly.



Differences between the 3200 and 6400? Not much. Spin speed, a few different cycle options and the display. The only other notable difference is the 6400 is suppose to use 1/2 to 1 gallon less water because it has a pressure switch and flow meter. The 3200 only has a pressure switch.


Just my .64 cent worth


Post# 74512 , Reply# 3   7/21/2005 at 23:40 (6,825 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The 3200 heats the water to 150. The 6400 goes to 153 or 155 on its sanitary cycle.

Post# 74702 , Reply# 4   7/22/2005 at 21:30 (6,824 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Yes, have heard Bosch Nexxt washers are "very" picky about suds, and since I like to sometimes use pure soap flakes or soaps when laundering, this is another nail in the Bosch coffin for me.

Perhaps the new generation models have corrected the overly touchy suds sensors?

Launderess


Post# 79473 , Reply# 5   8/21/2005 at 14:08 (6,794 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Bosch In Color

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I read that the next generation of Nexxt units will have a graphite/granite color option. Is this true? Are they in stores yet?

MRB


Post# 79649 , Reply# 6   8/22/2005 at 20:11 (6,793 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
If only.....

There was a window in that dryer !

Post# 79662 , Reply# 7   8/22/2005 at 21:21 (6,793 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I know Tom, I whole-heartedly agree. Personally, I thinnk the dryer looks kinda dorky next to the washer with the window. Like one eye has a patch over it LOL.

Post# 81499 , Reply# 8   9/3/2005 at 23:46 (6,781 days old) by FrontLoadFan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        
Nexxt Essense Available at Lowes

Someone asked if the new Boschs are in stores yet. I was at Lowes tonight and they had a Nexxt Essense on display. It was listed at $950. Seems like a better value that the older, basic Boschs (over a thousand and did not include the internal heater).

Post# 81502 , Reply# 9   9/4/2005 at 03:56 (6,780 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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The specifications on the Bosch website show that all models have an internal water heating element.

Post# 81516 , Reply# 10   9/4/2005 at 09:06 (6,780 days old) by FrontLoadFan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        
All New Boschs Have Internal Water Heater

I am sorry I was not clear. All of the nexxt Boschs (the new models) have the internal heater. My comment was comparing the last generation basic Boschs to the current basic (Essence) Bosch. Before you paid over $1,000 and you did not get an internal water heater. Now (at least at this store), you pay under $1,000 and you get the internal water heater.

It still remains a very attractive machine and the literature sure promotes it as a very quiet machine. My only concern in reading the literature is how they state these new machines are so much more energy efficient compared to other front loaders. That concerns me in that a common complaint among FL users is that the newer machines seem to be using so very little water that it might be compromising in how well clothes are both washed and rinsed.


Post# 81519 , Reply# 11   9/4/2005 at 10:00 (6,780 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
No, think you still have it wrong

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IIRC all Bosch Nexxt washers had internal heaters from the start. Difference was how hot they heated water, with the TOL model offerng a "Sanitary" option of 160F I believe.

Bosch made a selling point of it's models that they used the "proper" water temp for various fabrics and held that temp thoughout the wash cycle. Unlike many other washers, Nexxt machiens did not rely on "ATC" but used the heater to reach and maintain water temp. In theory one cold hook up a Bosch Nexxt (using a Y connector) to cold water only and achieve a "profile wash", but at 120v power that might take awhile.

Have the original first generation manuals somewhere, will look this up, but am almost 100 percent sure there were heaters in both the basic and TOL Nexxt washers.

Launderess


Post# 81529 , Reply# 12   9/4/2005 at 11:46 (6,780 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
From the beginning...

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Yes Launderess, you are right, all Bosch Nexxt models had internal water heaters from the start. The new models are an addition to the original line, the current machines are not a second generation. They started with the 3200 and the Premium 6400, the Essence 2100 and the DLX 4300 were added later.

Post# 81558 , Reply# 13   9/4/2005 at 18:05 (6,780 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        
profile wash

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The nexxt models have a profile wash already. You have to choose the "power wash" option. Also if you choose the pre-soak with the "normal wash" option it will fill with cold and heat. It makes a world of difference when you have a pile of wash with a varity of different stains. Set it and forget it.

Post# 81611 , Reply# 14   9/5/2005 at 01:22 (6,779 days old) by boschowner ()        

Super32:

I have the Bosch Nexxt 3200, and you cannot set the soak cycle for anything other than soak. It fills with cold water and does not heat the water.It will tumble intimately for 2 hours, drain and then a slow spin. Then you can reset it for whichever cycle you want. Now unless you meant the power-wash, then it will fill with cold and heat to whatever temp. its set for.

Unless the new machines have the soak cycle like you mentioned. You called it pre-soak, so maybe the new ones are different.That I dont know.

And you are 100% correct laundress, these machine seem to be VERY suds sensitive. Towels are the worst, then come jeans. For those I make sure I use very little detergent. Otherwise it will suds lock and take forever to finish a load with the added extra rinses.

FrontLoadFan:

This machine does use very little water, but I am not sure it uses all that much less than most new FLs. But some how with so little water, everything comes out very clean. And it is very quiet, even the pump.

Bobby


Post# 81643 , Reply# 15   9/5/2005 at 10:21 (6,779 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        
pre-soak/soak

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boschowner


You are correct about the soak cycle. It fills with cold water and no heating takes place. The pre-soak fills cold and heats, but I forgot its an option thats only on 6400. I kept thinking there was a pre-soak botton next to the power wash, bleach, and rinse plus options.


Scott


Post# 81647 , Reply# 16   9/5/2005 at 10:47 (6,779 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Unless it is hidden somewhere in tricks that you can do with the options & timer, I could not figure out if the older ones could be set for a Rinse & Spin, but it did not look like a possibility and was not mentioned in the manual I downloaded. The new US Mieles can't be set for that either, which I consider a serious shortcoming.

Post# 81723 , Reply# 17   9/5/2005 at 16:29 (6,779 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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No, one cannot set the older Bosch Nexxt units for "rinse and spin". One of the reasons besides their size they went lower on my list. For those that belittle the cycle, "rinse and spin" is not only good for refreshing items that have been say in storage, but is also great for:

use as a starching cycle

removing excess detergent when a full cycle even with extra rinses did not.

"flushing" laundry - a sort of quick pre-wash to remove muck/grime.

And so on.

Didn't know Miele ditched this cycle as well on their newest models. Shame.

Just so everyone knows, at least on the older Bosch Nexxt washers, one could set them up with a "Y" connector and control water temp from the supply side. This would enable a "warm" soak if one wished. When we spoke with a Bosch CR rep on these units when they first came out, apparently Nexxt washers use "ATC" to activate the heater on cycles to maintain/heat water to the proper temp. The washers do not monitor incoming water temp the way other do with ATC to either add hot or cold water to achieve a set incoming water temp. If this is still true it opens up a world of options including "warm" rinses.




Launderess


Post# 81746 , Reply# 18   9/5/2005 at 18:33 (6,779 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Two things that bug me about the Bosch:
You don't have a choice on the more deicate cycles of makking a choice that begins with warm wash & you opt. for cold and vice versa.

I don't know why but these kinda cool set temps just don't seem quite high enought to me

Hot 125 (that's just over "Medium" in 1950 & 1960 washer) and to get hotter I have to select Boosted Hot

Warm 95 sounds almost tepid to me

Cold 60, sounds almost too cold.

These temps sound perfect for the PermPress cycle but I wish the set points for the regular cycle were about 5 or so degrees higher like on Hetties.






Post# 89897 , Reply# 19   10/20/2005 at 17:27 (6,734 days old) by spee_man ()        
German washers

I'm pleased to read that you are so intrested in frontloaded washing mashines. I own one myself. Its an italian Candy. It has a very low capacity of about 10 lbs. The best waschers are Miele but they are very expensive. standard waschers are available for about 600Euro ( about 720 $ ) but you can also get dumping waschers for 240 $ at huge discount stores. German washig machine fans realy like american washers, because they have more capacity and are quicker, than european models! as I can see, you have very large frontloaders in the USA. We got those models too, a few month ago. I want to buy one because I mostly have to wash three times a week!

Greetings from the homecountry of automatic, frontloaded washers ( Construkta Waschvollautomat 1951 )Germany.



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Post# 89929 , Reply# 20   10/20/2005 at 23:51 (6,734 days old) by frontloadfan (Wellfleet, Ma.)        
Bosch Front Load Washer on Desperate Housewives

Unless I am mistaken, I have noticed that the Bosch front load washer is used in the settings for two different households on this series. I have noticed it in Brea's house (the red haired lady whose husband died) and the lady with the several childred.

I wonder if Bosch is paying for product placement?


Post# 89934 , Reply# 21   10/21/2005 at 04:29 (6,733 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Wilkommen!

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Hello Dominik,

I'm a bit shocked that you misspelled Constructa! LOL

Yes, it's great that Bosch is going to sell the mega frontloaders in Europe too now, but I think it is stupid that they are not selling the matching dryers. A big capacity frontloader doesn't really help if you don't have a dryer that can handle those loads.

BTW, did you ever have a look at the V-Zug website?


Post# 89945 , Reply# 22   10/21/2005 at 07:36 (6,733 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Wilkommen Dominik

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I love Kai's washer site! Nice link.

That Louis LOVES his V-Zug! Maybe someday he'll finally take me to the factory yes?

Hope you get a used Miele soon, it would be real fun to work on one of those and play with it.
And OFCOURSE Louis I'd love to play with any V-Zug!

Louis , bring over with you next summer,AL would love you more for that!


Post# 89957 , Reply# 23   10/21/2005 at 09:43 (6,733 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Jon, I'm actually just as curious after V-Zug as you are. I only used a V-Zug set once and that was an older Adorina set.

BTW, I never heard back from the V-Zug guy I mailed with. So no further details about their first frontloader.

Dominik, here's the link to my picture album, that contains pictures of my appliances.


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Post# 90101 , Reply# 24   10/22/2005 at 11:28 (6,732 days old) by spee_man ()        
matching Bosch Dryer

Oh, I'm sorry! But I once saw another msistake that was even worse. An english guy wrote Simens like that: "Siemans" But originally I wantet to tell you, that we in Germany mostly doesn't have tumble dryers. we hang the cloth onto a cloth line! this is way cheaper! only in the winter Time some households use a dryer. I'own a spin dryer so my stuff is ready after about 10 hours. You have to know that electricity is very expensive in "old europe". I think My cloth smell fresher that old fashioned way. I wanted to ask you if your Bosh washer is different to an european ? how many washing Cycles does it have? Is it possible to connect it to the central hot Water supply! And at least, what do you thik about integrated heating?



Post# 90164 , Reply# 25   10/22/2005 at 21:13 (6,732 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Dominik, Bosch has two different lines sold here in the U.S. One is the Axxis line, which is very similiar to the product found in Europe. It's the same size as European models and also uses 240v power source and is connected to cold water only. The Bosch Nexxt line is produced here in the U.S. The range goies from an 11 cycle/900 rpm model to a 15 cycle/1200 rpm model. These require only 120v electricity, the type found in almost virtually all U.S. household laundry facilities. These do connect to the central hot water supply. The Bosch user manual suggest the temperature for the hot water supply be 120 degrees F. There are those of us who think Integrated Heating is wonderful for a fornt load washer. The feature allows the wash water temperature to be maintained at the specified temperature as well as allows gradual heating from warm to hot or very hot (155 degrees F) to clean various types of stains & soils in the same load. Bosch is the only U.S. produced front loader with heater that offers a true profile wash option (called PowerWash). The machine fills with cold water and heats to the specified temererature of the cycle. Only negative is because of the 120v power source, it's slow in heating and a cycle can take over 3 hours. But the results are spectacular. Incidentally, many in the U.s. keep their hot water supply set at 120 to 130 degrees F to save on energy bills. Until energy became so expensive, it aws common for the water supply to be set at 140 to 160 degrees F.

Post# 90466 , Reply# 26   10/24/2005 at 16:35 (6,730 days old) by spee_man ()        
Thanks for your link, Louis

Is Velo a dutch manufacturer? It looks quite simillar to the Miele 75 s, did Velo build it under license?

You have an Öko Lavamat. It was the first washer that I can remember my Granny owned! when I was about 9 I knew every feature of every AEG type. I always liked the Turnamat most. The first washing mashine which "Oma" got from her Sister in law in the early sixties must have been a AEG Standard(she told me about the pulsator on the bottom )Then she had her first automatic washer which lasted until I was four when we moved and she got an Öko Lavamat. It was in 1987. May you can help me, which Type exactly! It only had the special feature to reduce the water level (eco) the spin speed was 750 or 800 revolutions per minute!

Nowadays AEG's are not very solid like grannys was! rubbish, AEG subtiteled "Elektrolux".



Post# 90471 , Reply# 27   10/24/2005 at 17:10 (6,730 days old) by spee_man ()        

Thanks vor giving me some details Bob! I'm very interested in american washing mashines especially frigiadaire. The pulsating Agitator, great! I'm glad that we have 240 V in "old Europe" So my washing takes me about one hour! would it be possible to mount a 220 V three phase current socket to your house? I read in another forum that some apartment houses have one in the loundy room. What about a converter?

besides It realy wonders me to hear about expensive energie costs in the Us! How much is a kw? maybe an Interesting fact for you, that one Gallon of 95 oktane Gas costs about $ 6,20 in Germany.


Post# 90493 , Reply# 28   10/24/2005 at 19:04 (6,730 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Miele Rinse and Spin

Hi Laundress,

My new Miele W2515 has both a rinse and spin, and a starch cycle.

The sales lady, has an interesting suggested for a super quick wash in the Miele, use a teaspoon of powder a pair of slacks you want to freshen up, and put it on a Rinse and spin with Waterplus. You then get a wash and two rinses in 13 minutes.

I've found so far, that anything with no visible soiling, the standard 40-50 minute wash is more than adequate. I've only used intensive with towels. 1:54



Post# 90594 , Reply# 29   10/25/2005 at 06:33 (6,729 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Dominik,

Velo is indeed a Dutch manufacturer, but they don't make this model anymore. Don't waste your money on new Velo machines, they don't come even close to the quality Miele makes. One of the members of the "Waschmaschinen-forum" had a very disappointing experience with a Velo washer.

Here's the link to their website. Just have a look, don't buy!!! LOL




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Post# 90595 , Reply# 30   10/25/2005 at 06:42 (6,729 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Now about AEG. Although I prefer Miele washers I have a weak spot for the AEG label. I still like AEG machines, although they are now sold as AEG by Electrolux I still think they make decent machines. The TOL range is still quite a good washer I think.

This is my second AEG Öko Lavamat, it's a 6450 with 1200rpm. The previous one was a 625 with 1000rpm. I'm not sure which model your grandmother had, did her washer already have the round pushbuttons? If so, it could have been a 600, 610 or 615. If her's still had the square pushbuttons I would dive into my archives to see if I can find an older brochure.

I'm linking another picture album, there are more pictures in this one, but they are only small sized. There are scans of old brochures there, some of them even in German. Enjoy the pictures and don't hesitate to ask questions.


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Post# 90944 , Reply# 31   10/27/2005 at 14:48 (6,727 days old) by spee_man ()        
Ökolavamat

It had square push buttons. I must have been a 530 or so.

Post# 90945 , Reply# 32   10/27/2005 at 15:07 (6,727 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        
Electric Cost

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Spee man,

Here is a break down of my last electric bill. This will give you an idea of how much electricity costs in Philadelphia.

From September 12 to October 11, 685 kWh

05.18 Customer Charge
41.65 Generation and Transmission Charges(.0608 X 685 kWh)
05.08 Wind Energy Service Charge(.0254 X 200 kWh)
30.41 Distribution Charges
17.33 Transition Charges
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99.65 Total Basic Charges for 685 kWh
-0.39 State Tax Adjustment
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99.26 Total

That comes out to about $0.145 per kWh (99.26/685)

The Wind Energy Surcharge is an optional charge I pay so that 200kWh of energy each month comes from wind generation. It offsets the difference in cost between wind and traditional energy generation.

Joe



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