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Post# 417540   2/22/2010 at 09:36 (5,148 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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So, a good friend has a GE badged portable World Washer. Its a decent machine but small capacity. I've measured the space he has, a small laundry closet, and I am pretty sure the space could handle a larger machine. The door opening is exactly 27 inches, which I am pretty sure is the size of a standard machine. I also wouldn't mind finding him a direct drive, 24" machine.

The question is, does anyone know the capacity of a 24" direct drive machine vs that of a World Washer? I know the one he has is absolutely larger than my belt-driven Lady Kenmore, but I am not sure if its worth it to go to a 24" machine.

I am pretty sure he'd be better off with a full sized machine, but that opens up another whole can of worms - specifically, he has a 110volt portable dryer, mounted on a rack above the washer. I am still searching for a decently priced 220volt machine with front controls.

Any thoughts, ladies and gentlemen?





Post# 417552 , Reply# 1   2/22/2010 at 10:06 (5,148 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
On the subject of the 220v dryer

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I do have an opinion.
Surprisingly, those ubiquitous Electrolux dryers which match their FLs are as large inside or only slightly smaller than many US standard size dryers!

Unless you are really looking to dry 18 pound loads at one time, this might just solve your space problem without too much trouble.

I have no idea what the true capacities are on the washers, so won't offer an opinion. Generally speaking, 5.0Kg is a true 12 pounds and 7.0Kg is NOT really 15.4lbs, but a bit less, just because of the way FLs work as opposed to TLs.

One thing I did recently learn in Denver at a store which sells both metric and inch machines: Many "USofA" brands are actually selling machines built in cm as the next lowest inch...so you have to download the installation pdf and check the true rough in dimensions and not just assume that American laundry products are truly 24 or 27 or 29 or whatever inches...

The store had a little sign up warning of this, I thought it was interesting.


Post# 417562 , Reply# 2   2/22/2010 at 10:40 (5,148 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WP COMPACT TL WASHER CAPACITY

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The WP compact 24" BD 1972-1986 and the DD compact portables & 24"TTs are about one and half cubic foot capacity each. The WWs are about two cubic foot in capacity which makes a big difference you go from washing three pair of jeans to about five pair.

Post# 417563 , Reply# 3   2/22/2010 at 10:55 (5,148 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Now there can be two ways you can go.....a stacked one piece full size top load washer with dryer mounted to the top....I have 2 maytags and they measure 28 inches wide...the advantage is ease in installation, it comes apart, now the frigidaire version is all one unit, depth may be a concern, check this out first........

the second option may be better.....kenmore/frigidaire front loaders with the square door, I rather prefer the one without the digital read out.....smaller than you might think.....27 inches wide....24 inches deep...plus/minus hoses....ducting available from the side if necessary....stacking kit included!

take a ride to Lowes or Sears....measure your space first.....
look at these models....if you hit the sale right, $600.00 to $800.00 for the set....brand new with a warranty....

these are not midsize machines....FULL SIZE LARGE CAPACITIES

Sell what he has on craigslist...this will reduce the price of a new set, maybe to almost half.....just a thought...

anything else....let us know

also, let us know how you make out!


Post# 417580 , Reply# 4   2/22/2010 at 12:42 (5,148 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Consider Speed Queen

Speed Queen top loaders are only 26inches in width....maybe you can find a used one, or the entry level model should run about $500 brand new.
Mike


Post# 417581 , Reply# 5   2/22/2010 at 12:43 (5,148 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Sorry

Forgot to mention the capacity on SQ TL is 3.3 cu. ft.
Mike


Post# 417605 , Reply# 6   2/22/2010 at 13:48 (5,148 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Weight wise, the 24” DD whirlies are rated at 6kg capacity and the 27" DD's are rated at 7.5kg.

We dont get the world washer to compare.

Mum had a 24" DD Roper for 6 or 7 years, it'd easily take a queen sheet set and pillows in one load or an assortment of 4 towels, 2 bath mats, a couple of hand and T-Towels in one load.


Post# 417622 , Reply# 7   2/22/2010 at 15:20 (5,148 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

If we are on the same page, the Sears badged portable "world-washer" I had was about 10 to 11 lbs of capacity.

A small but stationary 24" DD will be at least 14 to 16 lbs.

Will two averge FridGEmores (27" wide, front-loaders controls in front) fit? They have a very decent capacity.




Post# 417640 , Reply# 8   2/22/2010 at 16:49 (5,148 days old) by queeny77 (BERWYN, ILLINOIS)        

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24 inch full size kenmore is 2.5 cu ft tub, a world washer is 2.0 cu ft

Post# 417653 , Reply# 9   2/22/2010 at 17:36 (5,148 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Queeny

Excellent answer!!
Mike


Post# 417851 , Reply# 10   2/23/2010 at 10:02 (5,147 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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All good information!

Complicating the deal would be that this has to be done on the cheap, relatively. I would be open to a Speed Queen TL, but the newest ones tend to be spendy, and I've not seen many come up for sale. Front loaders are an option, but again, its either spend money on new and get something reliable OR buy used and gamble. Its good to know the 24"DD machines get a bit more space over a World Washer, but at the same time, is it worth it? I would rather see a 3.3cuft SQ in there.

He's also expressed an interest in something vintage, so long as its reliable. For me, that says a 'Tag. Not sure what the 806 I have measures in cuft, and I don't see a lot of large cap machines come up in the area. I would want a 600 or 800 series.

And then there is the dryer situation. He's pretty much open to whatever, as long as its electric, front control, can be mounted on a well-built shelf over the washer (and still give reasonable access to the washer below), and isn't terribly expensive. Reliability isn't that big of a deal there. I've not seen many electrolux machines for sale here... can you point me in the right direction?

I've asked him to snap a pic of the space in question, so we can get a better idea of what we are up against.

Thanks for the ideas so far, lads!


Post# 417855 , Reply# 11   2/23/2010 at 10:17 (5,147 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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Pics...

Post# 417856 , Reply# 12   2/23/2010 at 10:18 (5,147 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        
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Post# 417988 , Reply# 13   2/23/2010 at 18:49 (5,147 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
LAUNDRY PAIR

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Thats not a bad laundry pair if money is tight. Unless he is washing for more than two people the dryer will last forever the washer will last till the main seal and bearings fail 2-20 years?.

Post# 417995 , Reply# 14   2/23/2010 at 19:15 (5,147 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Perosnally...

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....i'd be going with stackable front-loaders....

OR

a front load washer and wall mountable dryer....that way you can build a bench over the washer to give some needed shelving and a folding space....


Post# 418025 , Reply# 15   2/23/2010 at 20:55 (5,147 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
A contrarian position (what a surprise!)

The Whirlpool front loader by Merloni, not Bauknecht.


Leave that dryer the bleep alone!


Better options would require rewiring to 220 (for Miele or Asko-Asea,) or gas fitting(dryer). Or, your friend could get a separate spindryer.


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 418036 , Reply# 16   2/23/2010 at 21:05 (5,147 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Yes, but....

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....BUDGET was mentioned....

so rewiring and Miele/Asko would blow that away....


Post# 418046 , Reply# 17   2/23/2010 at 21:58 (5,147 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
240 COMPACT DRYER

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It looks like the dryer is already 240 volts so no rewiring would be necessary. We have 120 -240 and 120-208 volts in the US there is no 220 unless you have a real supply problem.

Post# 418058 , Reply# 18   2/23/2010 at 22:25 (5,147 days old) by Toggleswitch2 ()        

uhm, can that wall be moved to give you clearance for a 27" or wider set of machines? I had a washer similar to that and a full-sized 220v* dryer. Small washer load, and quick dryer made for quick laundry turn-around.

Yes John you are corect, there is 208v & 240v here but both are called 220v out of habit, tradition, custom and convenience. It's not 220v literally.

How would it look to pretty-up that closet and be rid of the dooor and frame? That should buy you a few more inches. (LOL, normally very expensive).

P.S where is the air-intake provision that is needed when the dryer is running with the door closed?



Post# 418118 , Reply# 19   2/24/2010 at 08:23 (5,146 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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The doorway is exactly 27" wide. So if a machine was exactly 27", it would fit through the door... even if we had to "help" it a little with brute force. Once its through the door, there would be 4-5 inches on both sides, enough to slap some 2x4 supports along the walls and sit a platform on top of it. The closet is relatively deep. Good call on the venting, Toggles! I didn't even think of that. I'll have to look into cutting in a vent.

I like the idea of building a real platform to support a dryer. The dryer that's there now works, BUT, its 110volt, and TINY (3.4cuft) capacity. Yes, it works okay, but it takes an eternity and he has a tendency to overload. A full washer load below tends to not fit in the machine above. He could seperate loads into multiple dryer loads, but not everyone wants to play with washers and dryers all day long. :-) We are still learning how to sort by color and fabric. 220volt service line could easily be added, so that's not an issue.

The washer is also okay, but it came with the house and is beat up. The suspension sags and the permanent press cycle no longer functions. Buying a new front load washing machine is not an option, as we'd like to keep the cost down. Buying a used front load machine is not something I am comfortable with. Going with an exotic brand is not really something I want to do. Keeping the World Washer would be okay, but again, the issue is capacity. Washing a queen sheet set in it is a bit of a problem, for instance, as it doesn't roll them very well.

So I suppose I am looking for a 600 or 800 series Tag or a modern but used Speed Queen, and something like a used GE DSXH43EFWW dryer (see link) and a bunch of lumber.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO mistereric's LINK


Post# 418132 , Reply# 20   2/24/2010 at 10:21 (5,146 days old) by Toggleswitch2 ()        
Sagging as it gets older.

oh that's just part of the game of life.

Have no fear, that machine was designed to have the tub fall a few inches as it loads up with water. Mine (bought brand new) did from day one. Never an issue.

The platform sounds great for the dryer, as does 220v. If you want help with a 30a 220v cable just call upon me!

If you take the room/closet door off the hinge and remove the left and right "door-stop moulding" you'll get another inch of clearance I'd say.

To get the hottest air to the dryer, make an air vent near the ceiling. To get the colder floor-level air make your vent near the floor. Actually to me it's all about aesthetics! LOL you'll know what to do!


Post# 418164 , Reply# 21   2/24/2010 at 12:30 (5,146 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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The Frigidaire and a couple of the Kenmore models made by them have the square doors and work great.CR has recently rated them as great performers and a best buy.You can get these "identical twins"at Sears with a 10% discount if you charge it on a Sears card and they hold a lot of laundry.I take laundry in and they hold a lot more than most people think in such a small space.Quit,great results and,because both have windows,fun to watch!

Post# 418213 , Reply# 22   2/24/2010 at 16:12 (5,146 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Check Sears...

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....they had either a Kenmore or Frigidaire front load washer and dryer for about $600 ish yesterday when I looked

Post# 418649 , Reply# 23   2/26/2010 at 00:29 (5,145 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Belt-drive Portable Kenmore

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I'd have to check but I believe the literature on my 1984 belt-drive Kenmore quotes a capacity of 1.8 cubic feet. For anyone that has had one of these, that's a couple of pairs of jeans or a few towels at best. Great washer though.

Jon


Post# 418730 , Reply# 24   2/26/2010 at 11:40 (5,144 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Eric...check your email, I sent you a message


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