Thread Number: 27471
KitchenAid KD-12 merges with a KD-14, does that make it a KD-13??? |
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Post# 421691   3/10/2010 at 00:26 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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So many of you have seen my custom made KD-12 KitchenAid dishwasher where I installed a window and interior lighting. I really like this dishwasher, its a good performer, there was really only one thing that I didn't like about it. The first 45 seconds of the cycle is a water flush that leaves the drain open and fills. Now that it has a window I could see the flush water washing some (sometimes all) of the detergent out of the detergent cup and down the drain. The detergent cup is a open stainless steel screen cup, not a timed dispenser.
So I decided to install the timed detergent dispenser from the KD-14 into the side of the machine and change the timer to the KD-14 cycle. The KD-12 cycle was Flush-Wash-Rinse-Rinse-Dry. Now the new cycle sequence is PreWash-Wash-Rinse-Rinse-Rinse-Dry. I had to install the dispenser in the side of the machine because the window is on the door and the window of course gets priority. To install the dispenser I did the following: First I cut a template and traced the dispenser opening in the location I wanted it. Then I drilled pilot holes for the jig saw blade to fit into. |
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Post# 421692 , Reply# 1   3/10/2010 at 00:27 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 421693 , Reply# 2   3/10/2010 at 00:28 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 421694 , Reply# 3   3/10/2010 at 00:29 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 421695 , Reply# 4   3/10/2010 at 00:30 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 421696 , Reply# 5   3/10/2010 at 00:32 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 421697 , Reply# 6   3/10/2010 at 00:44 (5,153 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 421698 , Reply# 7   3/10/2010 at 00:45 (5,153 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 421699 , Reply# 8   3/10/2010 at 00:46 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 421702 , Reply# 9   3/10/2010 at 01:05 (5,153 days old) by bobbins (Victoria, BC, Canada)   |   | |
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Well, looks like a new timer dial. (KD-14) Did I win the prize? Bob |
Post# 421703 , Reply# 10   3/10/2010 at 01:09 (5,153 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 421708 , Reply# 12   3/10/2010 at 01:19 (5,153 days old) by bobbins (Victoria, BC, Canada)   |   | |
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I am lost about the electrical relay...does it have to do with the dispensing of detergent.. |
Post# 421709 , Reply# 13   3/10/2010 at 01:30 (5,153 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 421712 , Reply# 15   3/10/2010 at 01:52 (5,153 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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I think you are right volvoguy, I am thinking, Robert has wired the heater to 220 during wash and rinse cycles. Maybe then no heat is needed to dry? Nice work Robert. Fred, well done. alr2903 |
Post# 421732 , Reply# 16   3/10/2010 at 07:32 (5,152 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 421738 , Reply# 17   3/10/2010 at 08:25 (5,152 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 421753 , Reply# 19   3/10/2010 at 09:25 (5,152 days old) by markk290 ()   |   | |
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Great job Robert. I followed the wires and it looks like you either added another relay for something or you added an end of cycle buzzer? |
Post# 421756 , Reply# 20   3/10/2010 at 09:38 (5,152 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)   |   | |
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i have always loved your window and lite you added, now it's even better with it's own little detergent dispensor and the brain of a kd-14!
you should have been working for hobart when they origionally designed all these classics! at least we could all see the action going on as i'm sure every model would have had a window! at least the suberbas! so what is the purpose of the little device you added that sits next to the fill solonoid in the above pic? i'm gonna guess some type of timer motor delay to extend a wash. looking forward to the full explanation. seeing this thread is making me eager to tear into the kd-14 i have now sitting in my living room! and i agree they are very good performers, i use my kd-12 almost everyday and love it! beautiful dishwasher you have there! you should be proud! |
Post# 421759 , Reply# 21   3/10/2010 at 09:44 (5,152 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Hi Guys, here is the answer:
This KD-12 is a gravity drain, I absoutely love gravity drain dishwashers. All three dishwashers in the kitchen are gravity drain. The KD-10 thru KD-12 gravity drain machines have a neutral drain meaning the pump is turned off during the drain cycle (at least one increment of it). I like the neutral drain because you can see all the water drop down the sump and down the drain and hear the big gurgle when its all gone in about six seconds. The KD-14 does not do that, it runs the pump during the entire drain cycle and the spray slowly comes to an end. So I put the relay in which is controlled by the drain solenoid circuit. When the drain solenoid is de-energized (to allow the machine to drain) the relay cuts the power to the motor and allows for a neutral drain. I could have simply wired the pump and drain solenoid in parallel together, but the problem is that if you open the door during any wash or rinse cycle the drain solenoid stays energized (so all the wash/rinse water doesn't all fall down the drain). If I did that it wouldn't cut the pump motor off when I opened the door which would be bad, I like my showers in the bathroom. Everything else is original, btw. |
Post# 421763 , Reply# 22   3/10/2010 at 10:07 (5,152 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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You could have had a dishwasher that works with the door open. That would be heaven for me, watching the water show and showering in the kitchen during clean-up. Oh well, to each, his own. Thanks for the breakfast treats, esp. the 6 second gurgling gravity drain. Love it. You need a gravity draining wringer washer, Man ;'D
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Post# 421767 , Reply# 23   3/10/2010 at 10:33 (5,152 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 421808 , Reply# 24   3/10/2010 at 14:01 (5,152 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 421899 , Reply# 25   3/10/2010 at 20:06 (5,152 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 421963 , Reply# 27   3/11/2010 at 06:57 (5,151 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Post# 422143 , Reply# 28   3/12/2010 at 10:23 (5,150 days old) by kcleveland205 ()   |   | |
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I have a KD-12 that the timer has gone out on. Any idea where I can get a replacement? I have used the unit daily for 9 years. Thanks D Cleveland Birmingham, AL |
Post# 422214 , Reply# 30   3/12/2010 at 17:51 (5,150 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Good questions Tom, I was wondering the exact same thing. I've run three loads now where I've sat there and watched the dispenser door open. Two of the three times the tab dropped down, not far enough to fall out, but far enough that it was melted before the fill even stopped. The other time it was stuck up in there but the water spray flushed up into the dispenser and in less than 30 seconds I saw powder drop down and out of the dispenser as the wrapper melted. I think tabs in that dispenser is the way to go since it takes a bit more than residual water to get them to melt.
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Post# 422261 , Reply# 33   3/12/2010 at 22:05 (5,150 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Leslie, Thanks. I kinda figured they would not dissolve fast enough for older machines. |
Post# 423133 , Reply# 34   3/17/2010 at 05:47 (5,146 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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It works really well in my newer Bosch and the KDS-17A. But let's face it, at close to $9 a big box it gets a little pricy. Kroger has them on sale this week for $5.99. That's a steel so I stocked up. So boys, if you have a Kroger close by check it out and see if it's on sale in your locale as well.
Robert, love your dishwasher BTW. I, too, am surprised by how fast that washarm turns. I sure would love to have one of those in my kitchen!! |
Post# 423142 , Reply# 35   3/17/2010 at 07:08 (5,145 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 423685 , Reply# 38   3/19/2010 at 22:52 (5,143 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I'm pretty sure my '59 KD12 runs the pump during the drain.
Mine had the gravity drain timer in it, in all three 2-increment (45 seconds each increment) drain cycles it turned the pump off the 2nd increment. The five drain cycles on the KD-14 timer are only 1 45 second increment, so I like moment of silence. |
Post# 423687 , Reply# 39   3/19/2010 at 22:54 (5,143 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Do you find that it is a better performer cleaning wise with the added cycles? Or was the older timer cycles just as good?
I do think its better to have the pre-wash Brent, and doing a pre-wash totally warms up the machine and dishes, so the wash cycle water stays hotter. I have been really enjoying the 14's cycle. Its fun having the same dishwasher with a brand new cycle. |