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Post# 421737   3/10/2010 at 08:24 (5,154 days old) by randycmaynard ()        

Hey guys - I'm headed out this weekend to pick up a 1960s Kenmore belt drive washer and was wondering if it machine could
be laid on it's side to transport or should it stay upright? Probably a silly (if not stupid) quesion but was wanting to be sure it stayed in the truck bed and not scattered in pieces down the road. Probably a matter of just having it well strapped in.

Thanks!





Post# 421742 , Reply# 1   3/10/2010 at 08:38 (5,154 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Keep it upright!

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It would be best if you can keep it upright due to the suspension and other things.

Go to Home Depot or Lowes and buy some ratcheting tie down, or cargo straps! They are very easy to use, they secure the item very nicely AND they are only about $15 for a pack of 4.... and very worth while investment!!!

Kevin


Post# 421743 , Reply# 2   3/10/2010 at 08:42 (5,154 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
Transporting washer in P/U truck

Thanks Kevin - will definately get the straps.... the fun part will be getting the thing into the truck bed - they're pretty heavy. Will take a strong back with me for this one!

Thanks again!


Post# 421744 , Reply# 3   3/10/2010 at 09:02 (5,154 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
Make sure it is securely tied to the truck!

Make sure the dryer is securely attached to the truck! I bought a KitchenAid dryer for my in-laws once and I did not have it secured well enough. Well, once I got up to speed the wind blew it over on its front and the once nice scratch-free dryer ended up with several large dents in the door and front panel.

I would also make sure the door and lint filter door are secured shut. Duct tape works well for this.

Andrew S.


Post# 421746 , Reply# 4   3/10/2010 at 09:06 (5,154 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
i would make sure

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that washer is tied down safe and secure with no possibility of it toppling over! last summer i carried one in my truck back from buffalo and it flew over the side around a curve and landed in a ditch! i had not tied it down properly.

Post# 421752 , Reply# 5   3/10/2010 at 09:23 (5,154 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
I'm surprised that nobody has said this yet....

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Do not ever leave a belt-drive Kenmore/Whirlpool machine on it's side for more than a few minutes. In many (but not all) cases, the agitator shaft seal in the transmission has either dislodged or become worn, and in so doing, when the transmission is not upright, up to 1/2 of the internal 60-weight motor oil can leak out onto the machine cabinet, or onto whatever the machine is laying on, such as a vehicle's carpet, etc.

I don't like to leave machines on their sides for more than a 10 minutes or so.

Gordon


Post# 421754 , Reply# 6   3/10/2010 at 09:28 (5,154 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Here is a pic of the straps..........

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I didn't have time to post this before leaving for work.... but here you go Randy. These are the straps I was referring to.... There are other brands in different colors, I just happened to like the orange ones!

Kevin


Post# 421757 , Reply# 7   3/10/2010 at 09:41 (5,154 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
Thanks Kevin - will visit HD or Lws before Sunday aftn.

Will get a set - will need them later in the month for the pick up on my 70s White-Westy FL & dryer in NC. When I first joined this site last year folks said it would get addictive and now will have 3 appliances (2 washers/1 dryer) by the end of this month. Wife is not as enthusiastic about this as I am but, she's kinda warming up to the idea even with the room taken up in the garage. Have a 2 year old GE FL & matching dryer that is the regular laundry work horses so will have a wall of washers/dryers now!

Welcome to our world!!! Lots of fun!


Post# 421758 , Reply# 8   3/10/2010 at 09:43 (5,154 days old) by syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, MD)        
trukin it home...

...also keep the washer as close to the cab of the truck as possible- I use a strap over the top of the machine, & another one over the front of it, keeping it sucurely against the truck bed wall against the cab-good luck!

Post# 421766 , Reply# 9   3/10/2010 at 10:29 (5,154 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))        

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I use my pickup for this sort of thing all the time. Like others have said, keep it upright, strap it down tightly, secure the doors and lids with tape. I use thick blue painters tape, since I don't like scraping sticky duct tape residue off paintwork. I have some blankets I can put between the front edge of the bed and the machine to prevent scratching.

Of course, you are going to keep your speed down and make sure you take corners very conservatively, as with any load. Imagine an open cup of piping hot coffee is sitting between your legs, and drive accordingly.


Post# 421769 , Reply# 10   3/10/2010 at 11:05 (5,154 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
MOVING BD WP WASHERS

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Laying a WP BD washer down will not hurt it if done properly. You can lay it carefully on its back if all hoses are removed with no oil leakage problem or on the left side looking @ the front of washer, if laying on the left side its a good idea to put some heavy cardboard or old rug inside the cabinet between the tub assembly and the cabinet.If you are going a good distance and have the room in the truck its often better to lay it down you don't have the wind drag problems and the tub assembly isn't banging around inside the cabinet with every stop and start and corner the truck makes.

Post# 421772 , Reply# 11   3/10/2010 at 11:37 (5,154 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
The fun part will be getting it into the truck bed....

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Here is So Cal, the end of the driveway, between the sidewalk and the street, slopes down to the street and the road also slopes toward the gutter/curb.

What I've done is put the rear tires dead center in the gutter/curb (with the truck sticking out into the street). This puts the tailgate lower to the driveway or sidewalk, making it easier to load. If the truck is low enough (i.e. not a 4x4), tilt the washer way back on a dolly and move to the tailgate. At this point it should be partially on the tailgate and from there (with help is better) you just tilt the washer up onto the tailgate, then slide it into the bed of the truck!

I've done this many times and if the truck is low enough you can easily do it by yourself.


BTW, PLEASE post photos once you get it home!




Post# 421790 , Reply# 12   3/10/2010 at 12:54 (5,154 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
I'll put up photos!

It's a 1963 Kenmore BD - my parents bought the exact same model as this (600 I believe - 2 spd) and '63 was the year I was born and they bought a dryer in '67 the year my sister was born. Anyways this Kenmore has the oval shaped turquoise color small dials for the water level and wash/rinse water combinations with a large center dial having a yellow section for the normal cycle, pink section for W&W cycle and blue section for the delicate cycle and the controls are offset to the right side of the control console. I'll get photos as quick as I can after I get it home!

Post# 421792 , Reply# 13   3/10/2010 at 13:15 (5,154 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
'63 Kenmore

That actually sounds just like the model 70 Kenmore that my aunt and uncle got in '65. Apparently that model started in '63 but was still being sold in '65. At least one other member has one like it. I will be anxious to see pictures!

Andrew S.


Post# 421796 , Reply# 14   3/10/2010 at 13:23 (5,154 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Randy -

I'm guessing you got the machine that was on Craigslist and mentioned here last week or two? I hope so, both for the machine (was hoping someone didn't buy it for scrap or to wring the life out of) and for you too!

VERY BEST OF LUCK WITH IT!

Gordon


Post# 421798 , Reply# 15   3/10/2010 at 13:32 (5,154 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

i've hauled several washers on there side in the back of my
dodge raider(it's a lot like an early ford bronco)to load
appliances,i usually place a large piece of cardboard across
the bumper and cargo area edge,lean the washer over onto the
cardboard,lift up and shove home,securing with ratchet straps
in the back so washer doesn't shift back and punch out the
rear window! On a filter flo,vertical transport might place
strain on the boot,could brace the tranny with a wood block
or something.And i have had BD WP/KM leak a little oil when
on there side for a few days,a day would probably be ok


Post# 421800 , Reply# 16   3/10/2010 at 13:37 (5,154 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

I transport all my Whirly's on their side in the back of the station wagon and at most I've lost 1tbsp of oil from the transmission. If its going on its side, just make sure that there isnt a Magic clean filter attached to the tub on the side that is going down. The suspension in the Whirly's is that solid and there are no springs to stretch/detach if its tipped over from upright.

Either way will be find, I'd also suggest taping the washer lid down as well as the dryer door/filter.


Post# 421802 , Reply# 17   3/10/2010 at 13:44 (5,154 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
Andrew - you're probably correct on the 70 series.....

My parents bought it new in 1963 - I was guessing on the number but the rest of the description was correct.

Gordon, correct - I had thought it was gone but earlier this week I was checking some things online and saw it still listed and sent the seller an email and found that it was available and right now have plans to drive over to the Nashville area this Sunday and pick it up. Find the "Grandma's Washer in Nashville" thread for the photo of the control dials.

Looking forward to having "mom's" washer back if you will!


Post# 421807 , Reply# 18   3/10/2010 at 13:52 (5,154 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
Here's the console photo from the CL posting........

The three dials:



Post# 421809 , Reply# 19   3/10/2010 at 14:05 (5,154 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
Similar...

...but not exactly the same as my aunt and uncle's 70 series. Theirs had a control panel like that but the ovals had a white background and were backlit with a console light.

Post# 421821 , Reply# 20   3/10/2010 at 15:57 (5,154 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Actually Randy, it's a 60 series.

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Here is a pic of my 1963 70 series control panel.

The differences are: On the 70 series the timer dial is lighter (and backlit), infinite water level adjustment and it has a "Filter" light.

I'm not sure about this part, but my 70 has a bleach dispenser and the 60 may not(?).


Post# 421822 , Reply# 21   3/10/2010 at 16:14 (5,154 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Differences between the '63 Kenmore 600 and 70 models

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The main differenes between the Kenmore 600 and 70 for 1963 were not hugely significant, but here they are:

Basket - 600 had speckeled basket, 70 white

Agitator - 600 had straight vane, 70 had Roto-Swirl

Water Level - 600 has three levels, 70 is infinite

Control Panel - 600 lacks some of 70's chrome, the back-lighted knobs, and the filtering light.

Agitator cap - 600 has the thumbnail cap, 70 has scrubber

Other Features - 70 has an off-balance switch, and self-clean filter, 600 had manual filter.

There have been cases such as in 1961 and 1962 when the 70 series machines had versions with and without self-clean filters, but I don't recall seeing evidence of this with the '63. Overall, the machines are not really very different.

Gordon


Post# 421824 , Reply# 22   3/10/2010 at 16:18 (5,154 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
That's probably where I got the original 600 number....

I was thinking that it was 600 when it was actually a 60 - one too many zeros! 70 is the "upscale" version of the 60...lol! Really exactly the same except for the upgrades on the control console. What agitator is on your 70? My mom's 60 had the straight vane with the fluted screw-on nut on top.

Thanks for the update and the correct series number. At the time my parents bought their 60 it was probably a money issue for them and this one was the cheeper of the two - at that time they had been married just over 2 years and expecting their first child.... me! Had to have something to wash all those diapers in - she line dried until '67 when my sister was born so they bought a Kenmore dryer to complete the set.

Randy
Knoxville,TN


Post# 421828 , Reply# 23   3/10/2010 at 16:23 (5,154 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Thanks Gordon!

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I KNEW someone would jump in and list the exact differences! I was just listing the differences I noticed when looking through my newly acquired 1963 KM washer owners manual (Thanks again Walt!)

Kevin


Post# 421829 , Reply# 24   3/10/2010 at 16:35 (5,154 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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See pic #6 on the Aberdeen Farm. There is a 600 on the left.

Actually, for much of the 1960's, the Kenmore line was pretty stable, one model from the next. In fully automatic washers (washers where the user didn't select the faucet temperature), there was a 400 single cycle machine (with the awesome blue tub), a 500 which was usually a 3-cycle, no adjustable water level 2-speeder, the 600 exactly as we've said here (except one year - 66 or 67) where the 600 had a Roto-Swirl, the 70 which had a few fluctuations regarding a few options but the Roto-Swirl usually debuted here, an 800, and the Lady K. The 800 was basically a 3-cycle 2speed deal as well but with all the good bells, and the Lady K rounded things off with push-buttom timer stops, 3-speeds from 1964 on, and agitator innovations at times, etc.

All went to heck (marketing-wise anyway LOL), in the early 70s.

Gordon


Post# 421836 , Reply# 25   3/10/2010 at 17:02 (5,154 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
Kevin's washer - that's the same washer...

...that my aunt and uncle had. I'd love to find one someday.

That definitely confirms that theirs was a model "70."


Post# 421881 , Reply# 26   3/10/2010 at 19:02 (5,154 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        
63 "70" series

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in coppertone.

Post# 421905 , Reply# 27   3/10/2010 at 20:36 (5,154 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
70 SERIES WASHERS

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I think the 1963 70 was the first 70 style washer with the SELF-CLEANING filter the 60-62 always had the manual clean filter.

Post# 421913 , Reply# 28   3/10/2010 at 21:51 (5,154 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Actually John, I would have agreed with you however I was sure I had seen a mint/pristine 62 Kenmore 70 with a self-cleaning filter at an appliance store junk lot back in about 1993 or so. I found the model online. There was a similar one for 1961 also. Both have self-cleaning filters and use two-port pumps. Models 110.6204710 and 110.6114730. I was pretty surprised myself.

Gordon


Post# 421929 , Reply# 29   3/10/2010 at 22:53 (5,154 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

I think the three dial 63 r hand console, Kenny posted, was continued or rechristened for the No Mate Lg. Cap machines in the 70's.

Post# 421948 , Reply# 30   3/11/2010 at 00:17 (5,153 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        
600 model:

Randy: It is labeled as a 600 model. In substance it is a 60 series as it's features are a little more basic than the 70. Why they had the extra zero is anyone's guess. If you venture into the Aberdeen Farm pictures to the one that Gordon speaks of, you will see the numbering on the lower part of that washer's console is 600.

There is one more difference between the 600 and the 70 of that year: The 600 did not have dispensers. The 70 had one for bleach.

Good luck in moving it home. Once you get there please post some pictures, particularly money shots. We would love to see them.

Have a good one,
James


Post# 421958 , Reply# 31   3/11/2010 at 06:17 (5,153 days old) by 1972lkdishwash ()        
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Post# 421967 , Reply# 32   3/11/2010 at 07:08 (5,153 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
1963 Kenmore 600

Correct on the dispensers - my mom's 600 did not have dispensers..... it was a very basic model like the Aberdeen Farm photo #6 and it was white color as well. Seems like I remember Sears charging $10 more for colors other than white. I spend alot of time standing over that machine watching it wash and holding down the lid switch to watch the spin. Only other machine I used to spend time at was, as I've said many times, my grandmothers '56 Westy slant front. Such fine and fond memories - look forward to having them for real again!

Post# 422127 , Reply# 33   3/12/2010 at 08:10 (5,152 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
YAY

Randy, congrats on getting my grandma's washer.

Good thing I posted the listing a week ago.

Now you'll have to let me come and see it one day when it's working lol.


Post# 422128 , Reply# 34   3/12/2010 at 08:13 (5,152 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

As far as tying the washer to the truck. I would use at least two tie downs. A ratcheting strap across the washer between the two tie-downs towards the cab, and another strap across the top (so it doesn't topple), tape the lid, I strongly suggest using a large old blanket over the machine so the straps don't scratch the washer and so the washer doesn't rub against the back of the truck.

And yes, getting it IN is the fun part. Strapping is a piece of cake.


Post# 422136 , Reply# 35   3/12/2010 at 09:53 (5,152 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Gordon's list of differences is correct.
I have a pristine '63 70 Series (110.6304701) in White.
It has the Self-Cleaning Filter, Timed Bleach Dispenser,Back-Lit Controls, and came with a Roto-Swirl with Scrubber Cap, (that I have since swapped-out for a more aggressive Straight-Vane with a "poodle" cap).

I have an old Dodge Ram full-size pick-up truck (extended cab, extended bed) to haul my appliances around with. I buy rolls of shrink wrap and cocoon each appliance.(You can usually find it at places that sell boxes wholesale, or the U-Haul stores have it at ridiculous prices.) I do an extra section to cover the tops and console in case of rain, and secure the plastic with strips of duct-tape. I also do a few rows of duct-tape from back to front right over the top, for added protection. Always start and end the plastic from the back of the machine and tape down the edges well. Tape down any loose ends. Anything the wind can catch hold of (and it will) is going to come apart. So you have to think it out when you do it.
Then I use straps to hold them in across their middles so they won't shift around. When hauling six machines the bed is so full and tight it doesn't matter about the straps.

I always turn each appliance so their back is into the wind. That is more important when I have a full load, as those on the rear of the bed are more likely to "catch" a rock or pebbles thrown by OTR rigs, than those backed up against the cab. You sure don't want to end-up with a shattered console!

Also keep in mind the ones up against the cab are in a vacuum and those at the rear of the bed are in pretty heavy turbulence ( so load the tallest stuff against the cab and the dishwashers and shorter stuff towards the rear). I have literally hauled hundreds of machines this way and have never had any damage. I typically run straps over the tops of the short stuff as well.
Any machine that is going into storage, is ready, and you need not unwrap it until ready to use.

One memorable trip, John Lefever, Jason and I loaded her up with a turquoise early '60's Maytag Washer and Dryer set (700's?), A couple of Sub-Zero's on their side, another washer (that I don't recall what it was), and a huge old window air-conditioner. I hauled that load from Baltimore to Omaha in the dead of winter, through snow, salt-spray, flying sand and pebbles, rain, etc.
Everything arrived intact, without incident.


Post# 422140 , Reply# 36   3/12/2010 at 10:15 (5,152 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
Gyrafoam's nice '63 70 series washer

Ah yes - Gyrafoam has that pristine white '63 70 series! I couldn't remember who had that one in addition to the one RevvinKevin has. The coppertone dryer that was in the picture that goatfarmer posted above is the dryer that my aunt and uncle had to match the 70 series washer (both in white.) The washer was replaced in the early '80's and the dryer made it until about 1990.

Post# 422144 , Reply# 37   3/12/2010 at 10:23 (5,152 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Steve is absolutely 100% correct and has probably one of the best trucks for hauling appliances.

When able, I have used company pickups to haul machines, and in certain F-150s, six belt-drives can be loaded in one long-bed. That's a heavy cargo! Two put side to side, and YES, with their backs to the cab window, then two facing each other in between the rear wheel houses, and two side to side again, backs to the wind, on the rear.

When making short trips, I don't wrap the machines in much other than a moving blanket, but Steve is absolutely right about long hauls. The guy who brought my Green Beast and the '65 800s down here from Michigan brought them covered in a nice snow-capped looking layer of salt (lovely!). The GB's lid took a hit into the wind which contorted the hinges and broke porcelain.

When hauling less than a full load, especially if you're not accustomed to the more ginger driving touch needed, be sure to strap your washer in against the bed wall which meets the cab, and I think for a 63 machine of ANYTHING, I would fully cover the console with something that will shield it from wind and anything else. I would be leary of plastics with any 'tack' to them as they might loosen old trim paint.

And yes, Steve wasn't exagerating about the wind ripping anything it can on a long journey - when I brought the '61 70-series home from Roanoke, there was about a foot of loose moving blanket dangling in the back - after the 3.5 hour drive, that thing was shredded into about a 6-foot long tattered noose.

Gordon


Post# 422154 , Reply# 38   3/12/2010 at 11:18 (5,152 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Worcester Odyssey

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I see now after reading these exciting posts that I experienced beginner's luck, for which I feel very fortunate and grateful.

I had to pick up four machines: a mint 2 speed Easy in red, a 62 Multimatic, a 62 Turq LK 900, and a 70's GE FF. Not having access to a large enough truck, I flew Jetblue instead, from Buffalo to Boston, a 55 minute flight, rented a Budget truck about a half mile form Logan Airport, drove the one hour to Worcester, where Greg and I loaded up.

There were at least a dozen blankets provided, and we more or less wedged the machines against each other. Of course the bed was all enclosed and had a cool garage door to contain the load. But we did not tie anything down. We had a short pleasant visit and I was on my way for a 6 hour tour on the I-90.

Luckily, the road from Worcester to Buffalo is a relatively flat plane, and I instinctively knew to drive with a "ginger touch," but once I did hear some rumbling from the rear, so I said, "Please behave back there. I must concentrate on the road." It's okay to talk to yourself driving solo on long trips.

The biggest surprise was how easy those trucks are to drive. Now for the fun.

Getting home just after four, with four beautiful machines in the truck, and having to wait an hour for my friend Paul to help me unload.....Do you know where this is going??;->

I brought the long tester hose from the garage, and the long orange utility extension cord, moved the first washer forward, the Frigidaire Multimatic, so that the drain hose would hang off the bed, and fired it up, then LK, and then the Easy, filling all manually, of course, low water levels, and pumping from one to the other, etc.

Lost in the flow of a washer trance, the next thing I heard was, "What the fudge are you doing?" and I turned from the GE to see Paul standing in a flooded driveway, shaking his head in disbelief. A small laundromat in a truck. What a great day that was.



Post# 422160 , Reply# 39   3/12/2010 at 12:02 (5,152 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

My Kenmore 800, GE, and A806 rode happily in the back of my father-in-law's Nissan Titan from the storage unit to his storage trailer on his property. All machines strapped in good and the Nissan pulled up the hill to his house without a problem.

Now to get my damn life straight so I can finish my garage so they can have their final ride to their new home.


Post# 422178 , Reply# 40   3/12/2010 at 13:36 (5,152 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
Confirmed and coming to my home Sunday......

Got things confirmed and the '63 Kenmore 600 is coming home to my garage day after tomorrow! Got my dolly and ratchet straps and ready to go..... will post photos as soon as I get back Sunday evening and get unloaded. Looking forward to that classic Kenmore belt drive sounds - especially the sound as it moves into the spins.

More to come on this one and later in the month will be the 70s White Westy front loader (flat front and oval window!).
Now if I could just find that elusive 1956 Westy slant front.... stay tuned!!



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