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So I've had that little Robert devil sitting on my shoulder
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Post# 424161   3/22/2010 at 14:52 (5,119 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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-all month. He's been yelling in my ear "RAISE that water level on that new Speed Queen". "Oh it's like washing with Wet-Naps" "Thats not vintage".

on my other shoulder the voice of reason ,"keep the low water level see if it works, try new things save water, follow Speed Queens engineers.

Well today I finally gave in to the Robert Devil. I figure I know more about laundry than any engineer out there today!


So after much hashing with Jason I doubled the water level. I am proud as it is my first tweek of an electronic system in laundry and it worked!!

The new machines are trickier today the pressure switches are more complicated than just backing off one ONE thats 1! screw!

There are 5! five FIVE screws on this baby and only 3 used wiring connections! The first attempt didn't work as they have changed the water switch since Jason's small door model. The large door model has a preset unchangeable pivot base. That leaves 4 screws in play, and just what do all those 4 screws do???





Post# 424162 , Reply# 1   3/22/2010 at 14:53 (5,119 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Here are the guts of the switch

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I have to dash off to the Chiropractor so take a gander , see if you can figure out how it works and I'll post the solution later today...

jon


Post# 424163 , Reply# 2   3/22/2010 at 14:54 (5,119 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Here's another clue

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the schematics

Post# 424179 , Reply# 3   3/22/2010 at 16:31 (5,119 days old) by JeffG ()        

Jon, what model SQ is this?

Post# 424235 , Reply# 4   3/22/2010 at 21:55 (5,119 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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It's an AFB50RS judging from the box in the original thread.

Can't wait to see how its done! Hope the chiropractor helps with what ails ya!


Post# 424243 , Reply# 5   3/22/2010 at 22:29 (5,119 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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He's been yelling in my ear "RAISE that water level on that new Speed Queen

I expect to see some big sloshy water action in that machine mister! Or else!


Post# 424282 , Reply# 6   3/23/2010 at 03:53 (5,119 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes I did a load tonight

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and it was big and sloshy! The new water level stays, everything came out rinse fresh!

I'll have video now that I have Premiere loaded up.

Well back to that puzzle, there are 4 adjustments you can make- Oh Supersuds is correct on the model number there! AFB50RS BTW now-- there are 4 possible adjustments. On the two contact points of the spider you can back off (turn CCW) the gap so that the spider has to travel farther to make contact. ( This is what you did on those old Singer pressure switches) OR you can stiffen the diaphram but turning in (CW) the two adjustable legs of the spider. Marked "P" on my picture.
That makes the spring linkage to the spider stiffer so the diaphram has to push harder to make contact. In order for the diaphram to push harder the water level has to be higher.
But there is some timing mechanism in this set up as I first opened the gap on one contact and pushed in on one point and the machine went into a lockdown with both WASH-RINSE lights lit. It wouldn't start stop or begin a cycle. So the board detected something. After playing around I find you have to adjust the contacts or the points in pairs exactly the same amount. And if you see on the schematic two voltages are sensed at the board from this pressure switch not one so there is some kind of comparison going on in the brain of this machine.

Jason said he had to adjust his two screws 1/4 turn to raise the water, I find my switch is alittle different on this Wide Door machine and to get water to the door glass I had to make 2 full turns in on the spider adjustable legs. I only backed out the contacts 1/4 turn.

So far I think its a wonderful washer easy to operate. It does a long highspeed 1000 rpm spin at the end. And it really sloshes the clothes around.

Next week: The Sweatshirt Test!


Post# 424284 , Reply# 7   3/23/2010 at 03:58 (5,119 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
It would be a good idea

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if I posted the picture with the "P" and "S" marks wouldn't it!

P stands for post
S for electrical switch contact.


Post# 424285 , Reply# 8   3/23/2010 at 03:59 (5,119 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
You can actually adjust that

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factory locked point but I stronly reccomend you don't.

Post# 424286 , Reply# 9   3/23/2010 at 03:59 (5,119 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Jetcone i am glad you got the machine to work, more to your liking. I think you will be more satisfied with it. alr2903

Post# 424288 , Reply# 10   3/23/2010 at 04:10 (5,119 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes

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and I love that new rubber machine smell!!

Post# 424303 , Reply# 11   3/23/2010 at 07:16 (5,118 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Water Levels...!!!

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Hi Jon, well you know what happens with the devil on your shoulder, you just know at some point you`ll have to give in!!!

Do you have a pic of before & after water levels??

If it doesnt work I`ll just send a Zug, that does from Wetnap to Drum Tsunami in 4 touches of a keypad...Lol

Cheers, Mike


Post# 424317 , Reply# 12   3/23/2010 at 08:35 (5,118 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jon, Congratulations on the modification. It's not a matter of you and the engineers knowing about laundry; it's what the bureaucrats are laying down as standards for manufacturers to meet or exceed, results be damned. If you will remember, they tested dishwasher performance with clean dishes at DOE, EPA, SOB or one of those places.

I don't know what kind of magic happens in my Mieles, but loads washed with just Tide HE and STPP have this super fresh, almost ozone-tinged fragrance like the air near a waterfall when I take them from the machine.


Post# 424318 , Reply# 13   3/23/2010 at 08:47 (5,118 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Nice!

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I think I may have to try this with my machine too.

Malcolm


Post# 424324 , Reply# 14   3/23/2010 at 09:25 (5,118 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
oM MY MIKEY!

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Mike you big tease! Look at that tsunami! Oh and a ZUG my favorite unseen machine!! I've GOT to smuggle one into this country!!!!

I do have before shots now I must take after shots. I do slosh but not like that Zug can. I must measure but am guessing I went from 2 1/2 gal/fill to 4-5 gal/fill.


Malcolm do you have a SQ??



Post# 424325 , Reply# 15   3/23/2010 at 09:26 (5,118 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Ugghh

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Zugganation....

Post# 424329 , Reply# 16   3/23/2010 at 09:35 (5,118 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
SQ Imperial

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Yes, I bought the Speed Queen Imperials in Stainless Steel. Awesome machines.

How high is the water level after your adjustment? Did you bring it up to the glass door or higher?

Malcolm


Post# 424356 , Reply# 17   3/23/2010 at 12:12 (5,118 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Where's the video then??


Post# 424389 , Reply# 18   3/23/2010 at 15:13 (5,118 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Seems to me you might have a low switch, a high switch, an "ok to spin" switch, and an "ok to unlock the door" switch.

Post# 424394 , Reply# 19   3/23/2010 at 15:28 (5,118 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I need to figure out how to do this to my Affinity. I just crammed in a load of shorts and tee shirts today and was appalled at how little water that machine thought was adequate. It's very rare that I don't have to add more. I am currently adding water manually via 100 oz liquid Tide container, and some loads require filling four of those babies up and dumping them in. It would sure be a lot easier if I could just get the machine to use at least enough water to come up into the bezel and not compromise the spider thingy.

Post# 424424 , Reply# 20   3/23/2010 at 17:03 (5,118 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Jon your good ! boy the talent in this club...well i can't wait to see the video thanks for posting.
Now it should take a little longer for to heat up ...if it is not timed heat.




Darren k.


Post# 424431 , Reply# 21   3/23/2010 at 17:26 (5,118 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        
Jon, you are personally responsible

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for making me want a Duomatic.

Now I want one of these, too.

Sigh.


Post# 424452 , Reply# 22   3/23/2010 at 18:25 (5,118 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Updated Mine

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I just completed updating mine. I didn't go 2 full turns though. I raised the water level to right at the lower edge of the door. Got a load of sheets washing now. The sloshing sound is much more noticable than before. I'll run this way for a week or two and guage performance. Thanks for posting the instructions.

Malcolm


Post# 424456 , Reply# 23   3/23/2010 at 18:55 (5,118 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
F L WASHER WATER LEVELS

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More water won't hurt the spider or the bearings it will probably make the spider last longer.

Post# 424460 , Reply# 24   3/23/2010 at 19:08 (5,118 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)        

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I don't have the small door, John does. I have one of the early big doors.

Post# 424488 , Reply# 25   3/23/2010 at 21:34 (5,118 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
water level

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Hi Malcolm I set the water level just over the boot so it touches the glass door. Nice slosh going on.

Greg you will be slapped this spring!

My Duo passed the sweatshirt test!!!!

Mt SQ didn't.


Post# 424495 , Reply# 26   3/23/2010 at 22:15 (5,118 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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What's the sweatshirt test?

Post# 424546 , Reply# 27   3/24/2010 at 06:35 (5,117 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Water Level

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My water level is just below where the boot meets the glass. Only did a load of sheets last night. But the second rinse was pretty clear of an detergent residue. Third rinse was probably not necessary.


Post# 424552 , Reply# 28   3/24/2010 at 07:54 (5,117 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Bob

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Dr Frigidaire has the "sweatshirt test". Using 1 sweatshirt will the machine wash, rinse spin UP TO SPEED and complete its cycle.



Post# 424586 , Reply# 29   3/24/2010 at 11:36 (5,117 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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For me it's a bathrobe test. I like a challenge!

Post# 424613 , Reply# 30   3/24/2010 at 13:48 (5,117 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Spider Damage

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OK, I've read a lot about how easily the spider can be ruined on FL machines. Is it just a sudsing issue and not a water level issue? If that's the case, I will definitely want to increase the water level on my Affinity. The factory settings are absolutely inadequate, and I'm tired of adding water manually in order to effect decent laundering results.

Post# 424686 , Reply# 31   3/24/2010 at 22:22 (5,117 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Bathrobe test

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Oh My! That would be a deal breaker for sure!


Post# 424783 , Reply# 32   3/25/2010 at 12:53 (5,116 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
Dr. Frigidaire

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I'm very impressed by your prowess to trick a new machine like that. I imagine it raises all the levels across the board including wash. Wonder if there's a way to keep the wash level low but the rinses high up the glass?

Post# 426219 , Reply# 33   4/1/2010 at 22:24 (5,109 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Hi Eddy

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I think you would need two seperate cicuits to the MB and two pressure switches to do that. I'm only up to 4 gallons about for a fill, the old Duos used 7 gallons on a fill so I am still saving 3 gallons per fill.

I am getting to really like this machine the more I use it.



Post# 426271 , Reply# 34   4/2/2010 at 07:19 (5,108 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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A delivery coming today - SHHHHHHH!! Don't jinx it!

Post# 426274 , Reply# 35   4/2/2010 at 07:46 (5,108 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Oh.....Birthday Prezzie to self then...!!!

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Excellent, Big Door or Little Door??

Post# 426299 , Reply# 36   4/2/2010 at 09:19 (5,108 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I know I know

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but I'm not telling! Can't wait till they juice it up with Liquid Tide HE that will be interesting to say the least!!!


Post# 426300 , Reply# 37   4/2/2010 at 09:24 (5,108 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Can you say

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Over suds condition??

ducks and runnnnnnnnssssssssss......


Post# 426327 , Reply# 38   4/2/2010 at 12:32 (5,108 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Jon, those lines on the bottle cap aren't just brilliant aesthetic design, they're used for measuring!

Post# 429384 , Reply# 39   4/17/2010 at 09:28 (5,093 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Gansky will be slappped! (as usual!)

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OH and where are your pictures of the new baby??? Tapps feet and fingers......in small flexible flyer sled car in driveway!

Post# 875216 , Reply# 40   4/1/2016 at 09:10 (2,917 days old) by fourrivers ()        
Reload picts

Jetcone - could you reload the pictures. would help a mite. thanks

Post# 875314 , Reply# 41   4/2/2016 at 07:53 (2,916 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Wow.. I can't believe it has been six years since I've read this thread.

I guess it is safe to say that my own machine is out of warranty now. Maybe by posting this, I might jinx things.

Thanks to this thread, it gave me the confidence to make this minor modification to my machine. After I adjusted the water level on my machine, by two full turns, it brought the water level up to the lip of the tub, completely covering the baffle. Good enough!

In doing this, it considerably improved the rinsing ability of the machine and negated the need for a third rinse. I only find myself using a third rinse if I use Fabric softener, which I rarely use anyway.

In saying that, has anyone with one of the newer electronic SQ machines been able to adjust water levels? Or are they a bit smarter and use different water levels for the wash and rinse?

Also, I suppose I should get up off my butt and take a good picture of what the water level in the tub looks like without any clothes in it...



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