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When Did Laundry Care Methods Change? |
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Post# 427435   4/7/2010 at 11:51 (5,126 days old) by mieleforme ()   |   | |
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Post# 427447 , Reply# 3   4/7/2010 at 13:35 (5,126 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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One of the reasons I think that frontloaders became soon more popular than the V-axis toploaders in Europe is probably the hot water systems used in Europe. At the time that automatic washers became popular in most European households used small flow through water heaters (except from the UK I believe). It would take ages to fill a toploader with those water heaters. The preferred system became washers with an internal heater. Heating up the wash water in a frontloader (around 20 liters on a full load) would be easier to do than in a toploader (60-80 liters I believe).
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Post# 427465 , Reply# 5   4/7/2010 at 16:28 (5,126 days old) by wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)   |   | |
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Scream at me but I have an Asko something front load and it heats water to 205 degrees. It gets white so white but it will also melt polyester. I wish America would manufacture a front loader on 220 to heat its own water and clothes. As much as asko is a pain the behind to deal with I still love the way they preform.
The Dishwasher use 4.5 gallons on a full bob load and they come clean .. ( I have three of them so party is not a problem with real dishes ... out here in the woods the appliances' and nature are in harmony LOL Philippe |
Post# 427468 , Reply# 8   4/7/2010 at 16:42 (5,126 days old) by favorit ()   |   | |
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The coal fired non automatic frontloader CLICK HERE TO GO TO favorit's LINK |
Post# 427472 , Reply# 9   4/7/2010 at 16:51 (5,126 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 427479 , Reply# 11   4/7/2010 at 17:10 (5,126 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Having at least some heat in water does make a huge difference. At one time, I did the thing the green people told me to do, and used nothing but cold water. Then, I switched to warm, and was stunned at how much cleaner clothes were.
I haven't tried really hot water yet...I use top loaders, and so I'm locked into what the water heater supplies, which is considerably cooler than 200 degrees Fahrenheit. Plus, I'd feel guilty using so much hot water. Although, I have wondered if hot water really is such an environmental problem compared to chlorine bleach, which most Americans use chlorine bleach to whiten whites, and kill germs. Chlorine is not exactly a friendly chemical, and I've wondered if chlorine may not cause more of an environmental problem than heating water to a high temperature. |
Post# 427482 , Reply# 12   4/7/2010 at 17:29 (5,126 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Mieleforme, your last Gardenweb post commented: "If only she knew what I paid for this set she would more than likely try to have me committed."
It's worth thinking that older washers really aren't so cheap when you adjust for inflation. Many grandmothers will whine about how expensive a top-flight washer is today, and say "I spent only X dollars in 19--!" (One of mine would have, had the topic ever come up!) Exact dollar amount and year vary grandma to grandma. Yet, you convert that x dollars and 19-- to today, and the price difference isn't that great. Thought #2, assuming you have a Miele, as your AW.org name suggests, you have a washer designed to last 20 years. It could possibly outlast many cheaper washers, and cost less in the long run. |
Post# 427486 , Reply# 13   4/7/2010 at 17:49 (5,126 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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....is an interesting combination of various different options of doing laundry...and all you Aussies feel free to correct or add to this too please...
If we accept that the wringer machine of the 1930's was when things started to get interesting (and 'affordable'), then Australia, did much the same as the US and Europe and a few things a little differently... Wringers and twin-tubs which could reuse the wash and/or rinse water were the norm until the mid-late 1960's....they were reasonably economical to use with many people doing 'whites' then 'coloureds' or 'overalls' in the second use... Then came the Automatics...full size, American style machines generally though there were European machines such as the Keymatic too. Our top loaders could generally be had with an internal heater depending on the model... But automatics were very expensive so manufacturers here did away with the automatic part and left people with a dial that was basically a big switch with wash/heat/drain/fill/spin and sometimes 'suds-return' options...whichever part of the process you select would continue until you moved the dial....you could still re-use the wash water (or rinse) so they were economical too. COme the mid 1970's Automatics were the go though you could still get twin tubs, wringers and possibly semi-autos. Water consumption seemed to be on the increase with multiple rinses (spray and deep) becoming more common....heaters seem to start fading from list too around this time in top-loaders and Hoover Australia started to manufacture the Zodiac 12 machines based on the British Hoovers but without a dispenser drawer and with the option of no heater... Australia was a land of the top-loader...mostly based on American designs or concepts such as the Fluid Drive system as an example... Come the late 1980's and energy costs were starting to rise. Detergents (Cold power in particular) were being promoted as suitable for cold water washing and gradually people changed....especially if they tried it for a quarter and saw the impact on their power bills.... Now we move forward... Many parts of Oz are hit with water restrictions with some areas literally down to xxx litres per day. Water, and to a lesser degree, power/energy efficiency are the drivers that Governments want us to focus on. We use a star system for appliances. Generally many councils will offer a rebate if the machine is 4* rated or better. This equates to roughly 10litres per kg of clothes washed.... As a result, front load machine purchase is on the rise as all of them are at least 4* rated. Some top load machines are too, but when you read some of their manuals they suggest not using certain programmes for, say towels, as they need more water.... ...and many are still washing in cold even though all our front load machines come with heaters - habits are hard to break though I have had success with one friend...she was stunned at the difference after washing at 40c in a front load machine compared to cold in her top load machine... So there we have it... We've gone from Wringers to Front loaders and had every variation on a theme - with and without heaters, auto and semi auto and many have changed detergent/water temp preferences in the light of rising energy costs.... |