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Europian Gas Dryer

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Post# 428637 4/14/2010 at 04:22 (5,118 days old) by brasilianguy ()
Checkrate/Likes Hi, I found the gas dryer linked below and i have some questions about: Does anyone know it? and it's brand? I always wondered for a gas compact dryer (as it doesn't have in USA) and i think this would be perfect to me! other question is: Does it could be converted to LP Gas instead of Natural Gas? and the last question? Does anyone know how could i export one of these for here (Brazil)? Have anyone ever exporter or imported a big appliance like a dryer already? Thanks for the attencion, and i'd like to talk to someone more about appliances!!!! hugs from Brazil... CLICK HERE TO GO TO brasilianguy's LINK

Post# 428640 , Reply# 1 4/14/2010 at 05:31 (5,118 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires)
Checkrate/Likes *White Knight Gas Dryer* Brazilianguy, your country is 60 Hz. This unit is for 220-240V, 50Hz. I don't think they sell export units for 60Hz.

Post# 428646 , Reply# 2 4/14/2010 at 07:28 (5,118 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes There were indeed gas (including LP / Propane) compact dryers made for 110v 60hz. They are the typical 110v portable units but with gas heat, and feet instead of casters / wheels. Check Sears and Whirlpool! I didnt find any in Sears' website...........sorry.

Post# 428749 , Reply# 3 4/14/2010 at 13:41 (5,118 days old) by brasilianguy ()
Checkrate/Likes Hi Thor, thanks for the advice.... i always forget about Hz and voltage diferences!!! Toggleswitch Do you think i could find an used gas compact dryer and by anyway get it to brazil?? Man, you can't believe but the only gas dryer available here is the BOL Duet, and for an unpayble price, and the electric ones cost too much to run, as electricity here is too expansive. I think it'd be much cheaper to import an used or even a new one fron there. I intend to find anyone that could bring it to me!!! thank you fot the advice too! hugs from Brazil...

Post# 428767 , Reply# 4 4/14/2010 at 15:03 (5,118 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes I will look!

Post# 428769 , Reply# 5 4/14/2010 at 15:08 (5,118 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes Is full-sized too large? 27" x 27" x 36" + controls /backsplash (inches) 69cm x 69cm x 92cm + controls/ backsplash

Post# 428825 , Reply# 6 4/14/2010 at 18:55 (5,118 days old) by brasilianguy ()
Checkrate/Likes Hello Toggleswitch well, i have an LG FL washer, european standard sized (60x60x85) and an european model electric dryer(only timed!), and them are almost builted in (see the pic below!!) so i'd need a smaller dryer than the american standard! with 60 to 65 cm in width (24" to 25" in width) I think an used Duet Sport would fit perfectly, was it 24"w?? I've searched in the web and not find any 24"w dryer!!!! OMG!!! Toggleswitch, do you have msn?? so we cold talk better?! Thanks and hugs from brazil, Vinny.

Post# 428850 , Reply# 7 4/14/2010 at 20:18 (5,118 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes Don't have MSN! How will you vent a gas dryer?

Post# 428854 , Reply# 8 4/14/2010 at 20:36 (5,117 days old) by brasilianguy ()
Checkrate/Likes The laundry is in the yard. it have an open area in the ceiling and I have a vent in the wall beside the dryer that send the humidity to the other side of the wall, far from the dryer and where is the open in the ceiling!!! the gas i'll do an external instalation with copper pipes to the cilinder.

Post# 429200 , Reply# 9 4/16/2010 at 11:12 (5,116 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)
Checkrate/Likes The most important thing to vent from the house with a gas dryer are the fumes! That is really going to be a hard thing to do as just to mail a small parcel-post package to Brazil is excessive in price. I can't imagine what it would cost to ship something as heavy and bulky as a dryer! It probably costs as much to air-freight it as it would to ship by sea. Interesting challenge. I hope you can work it out.

Post# 429258 , Reply# 10 4/16/2010 at 13:23 (5,116 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Se�ora de Los Angeles de Porci�ncula)
Checkrate/Likes Vynny, let me reply here, so it can also help some other brazillian with the same question. Import from Europe is virtually impossible due to the frequency difference. Here in Brazil we have 127V 60hz or 220V 60 hz made with two 127v wires. Second you should consider price. you say the Brastemp Duet is expensive, but it's not all Whirlpool's fault. there are the taxes. gas dryers, due to the environmental legislation have higher taxes. the brazilian government DO NOT WANT this kind of dryer in our country for ecological reasons. (plus, most of the power companies belongs to the government, so of course they want to sell more electrocity, the same way the government will never allow hibrid (gas x electricity) cars like Chevrolet Volt in Brazil to protect Petrobras interests. You can import, for example a Frigidaire Affinity from the U.S. It's exactly the same machine I have, but gas instead of electricity. But forget the price you see on retailer's websites. you must include freight (more than 1000 dollars), import taxes (now it becomes a huge problem and be ready to pay 300% of the invoice total). there are the import tax, IPI, ICMS, plus dozens of fees you must pay to register all the cargo documents and finally get a custom clearance. Used items can't be imported to Brazil unless you lived outside the country for more than 2 years and in quantity compatible to your reality (of course if you come back to brazil with 10 dryers they won't believe you're a laundrymaniac like all of us) NO WAY! That's what the law says! So, the "cheap" dryer you dream will cost much more than running an electric dryer. You must look for the best options we have in our country now. The european models are for smaller loads as europeans are smart enough to use dryers only when really needed, saving electricity and protecting the environment. American models are made to dry big loads and fast. Americans dry almost everything in a dryer, no matter if it's raining or not. some americans believe using a clothes line is ridiculous, obsolete, almost offensive and some cities don't allow hanging clothes! An electric american dryer, like the Electrolux ecoturbo, is made to dry big loads fast, even on the worst american winter. That's why they dry much faster in our weather. it won't work the same way your continental dryer does. it will dry 4x more clothes at once and as the blower is huge, it will dry much faster. so there's where you save electricity and the operation cost becomes really low. In your case, you should think about a bigger dryer instead of blaming everybody because you don't have a gas dryer. You're so paranoid about gas dryers that you didn't realized gas is much more expensive now and will cost more because whirlpool is stupid enough to sell it much more expensive than a commercial gas dryer. Vinny, you live in a house... if you have space enough, why don't you buy a commercial gas dryer? Those from Suzuki are great and 2x cheaper than a Brastemp or importing. best of all, you'll have a dryer built to last forever and your clothes (specially duvets and blankets) will dry much faster than any household dryer. You could also use it to get some easy money drying for your neighbors during the winter.

Post# 429304 , Reply# 11 4/16/2010 at 15:37 (5,116 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes . 1- Personally, I'm not too fond of propane in the house. 2- The vent needs to go outside DIRECTLY. The moisture emitted will otherwise cause mold and the fumes are deadly / poisonous in large enough doses. 3- Why not just line-dry and let the dryer fluff and iron once already dry? That is what I have to do because my full-sized dryer (normaly 220v 30a circuit/line) now works on 110v and takes 2 to 4 HOURS! 4- If you have the space and want an electric full-sized dryer, (makes for much less ironing and creasing than a compact unit) I can forward to you details as to how to make an extension cord that will feed the dryer your 127v to all components including the heater. The female end will fit a normal 3 or 4-prong dryer plug/cord(are they standard there?) and the male end will fit into any ordinary wall-socket. The "operation" is therefore non-intrusive to the dryer. :-) Another alternative is to take a very heavy-duty extension cord (say for an air-conditioner) and wire it right ot the back of the dryer with a little "jumper" wire to give the heater 127v. --We'll talk more!

Post# 429314 , Reply# 12 4/16/2010 at 18:39 (5,116 days old) by brasilianguy ()
Checkrate/Likes Thomas, at first i didn't ask for you, couse I knew that you would say the same things you say to me always in the MSN. and I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE with you in everything you say, and i'm not spend my english here aguing with you! Toggleswitch sorry for this outflow Well, as I said, my yard is outside of the hhouse, so vent is really not going to be a problem!!! the problem of an electric dryer for me isn't the instalation, even couse my father is an eletrician, but the cost to run an electric dryer.... eletricity in brazil is toooooo expansive!! to run a gas dryer is almost 10 times cheaper than to run an electric one!!!! about line drying the clothes, I already do this, BUT, drying in a dryer would be much more fancy and stylish!!!!! :) would make me feel a really american!!!! LOL!!!! So, it's a dream for me and i'm not going to give it up yet!!! thanks for the attencion!! hugs from Brazil

Post# 429333 , Reply# 13 4/16/2010 at 22:54 (5,115 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Vinny.. Good lucky with your gas dryer.. every brazilian citizen deserve this wonderfoul appliance (not at all, maybe a little bit deserves a Spend Turbo).

Post# 429387 , Reply# 14 4/17/2010 at 09:35 (5,115 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes GOOD! Follow you dreams! I support you! Gas dryers here are also less expensive to run in most areas! However home-builders typically run a line/circuit for an electric dryer and silly American consumers have NO CLUE that gas is greener /cheaper / just as safe and works exaclty the same as electric. Well maybe gas is less harsh because CH4 + O2 => CO2 + H20+ heat. So the water vapor emitted by combustion makes the heat a bit less harsh! What angers me so much is when there is a gas line a few yards/meters away and yet the dryer is electric! I would have an electric dryer in winter to save the heat and moisture, but in summer, when one cant line-dry gas dryers is greener, IMHO! GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DREAM. Have you checked Frigidaire, Whirlpool, General Electric's websites to see if they have gas dyers for "export" with your voltage/hertz(cycles)? Can you get a gas dryer from a neighboring country and ship it in? With regard to the gas pipe connections, is plumibng there done in metrics or inches? I fear a U.S. dryer's gas connection may be in an "awkward" size for you! BEST OF LUCK! If I come to visit you do you think they would notice a gas dryer strapped to my back?

Post# 429421 , Reply# 15 4/17/2010 at 11:52 (5,115 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Se�ora de Los Angeles de Porci�ncula)
Checkrate/Likes Steve, I'm sure they would notice a dryer on your back... the only thing brazillian customs don't do (yet) is check if you're not smuggling something in the "third eye". Last week the package with the timer for my WO-65 that Eddie Woelfle sent me arrived. Of course my building's concierge had to go to the post office and pay the import taxes and fees. Only the tax for a single timer costed more than the freight i had to pay to bring the whole machine from Argentina. When Steve Riley did a small test sending me 3 boxes of dryer sheets, the tax was more than 50 dollars. During the years so many people used the silly "fake invoice" trick that the customs don't believe invoices anymore. the agent evaluate each item using his own criteria. If he says a $3 box of bounce dryer sheets costs $100, there's nothing we can do unless pay the tax or abandon the package. This is the fu**ing Brazil. we live. Every package comes with an awful surprise. I'd love to drive a 200k dollars Mercedes SUV with brazilian license plates instead of the 10k dollars Fiat 500 with paraguayan plates. It's fancy, but I can't afford it yet! This is reality and we must know our limits. The same happens with dryers. "cheap" dry is something that doesn't exist in Brazil. Electric dryers are cheaper, but cost more to run. Gas dryers cost less to run, but the only model available costs the same as 50% of a Fiat Uno, the cheapest car in Brazil. Worst of all, gas dryers in Brazil have even higher taxes the taxes are different to electric appliances and gas appliances (that's ridiculous, but it's a fact). the same way, front loader washers have higher taxes than standard top loaders. While the whole world is trying to sell HE appliances and some countries even offer rebates for who replace old appliances and choose environmental friendly units, brazil does exactly the opposite. electricity is a big source of profit to the government, while gas isn't so profitable to Brazil. of coure they don't want to loose this easy money. that's why they do all they can to make gas dryers cost much more than electric ones. The same happens with water heaters (not so usual here). Thank God gas is the most popular source of heat for cooking. otherwise the government would try do everything to make people use electric ovens and cooktops. Vinny, keep both feet on the ground and consider our very hot weather. The best to do is keep your old dryer because it still works great, use the line (it's free and eco friendly) and use thedryer only to fluff.. Second option, buy a bigger electric dryer like the frigidaire affinity (electrolux ecoturbo). it can save even more because you can dry much faster and dry bigger loads, plus the moisture sensor that shuts off the dryer when the load is dry and saves energy. third option, try to find an used whirlpool (brastemp) gas dryer (those huge ones made in the USA). who cares if it's bigger than your washer? 4th option: try to find those very old Brastemp gas dryers made in Brazil. they are exactly the same "Lady Kenmore". you can find good machines at thrifting stores like Andre Luiz. they might not be in 100% perfect conditions, but you can restore them (and you can find many help with our friends here at AW because this model was made in brazil but the project is 100% american and it's exactly the same model USA had years ago.) 5th option: With some dedication and luck, you can find the Brastemp compact gas dryer. that machine was made in the U.S. and until today it exists. then just import the missing or damaged parts. If you want I can even help you bringing parts to paraguay and then finding a way to send to you in Sao Paulo without the outrageous brazillian taxes.

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