Thread Number: 28123
Help identifying this Kenmore, please |
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Post# 430416 , Reply# 1   4/21/2010 at 16:39 (5,089 days old) by retropia ()   |   | |
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Could a touch-control panel like this be repaired? I'm guessing it would be impossible to find a NOS replacement, if the original went on the fritz. |
Post# 430421 , Reply# 2   4/21/2010 at 17:06 (5,089 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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That looks like the Limited Edition 1982 model. The panel was very similar on 1980 models, however they had woodgrain on top.
Neat machine - we should put a link to this on the Imperial forum. As to repairing the electronics - I've been told that someone who knows what they're doing should be able to fix these, in the right situation. This panel is a combination of mechanical and electronic parts. Gordon |
Post# 430436 , Reply# 3   4/21/2010 at 18:44 (5,089 days old) by mykl711 ()   |   | |
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call the number ask for the serial number and model number and date it..... appliance411.Com |
Post# 430440 , Reply# 4   4/21/2010 at 19:05 (5,089 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 430442 , Reply# 6   4/21/2010 at 19:34 (5,089 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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I think I HAVE this set! For $50.00 I would buy it and replace mine or use it as a parts machine (depending on which one is in better shape. Of course, I REALLY want the last version of the Lady Kenmore electronic set, so if you want mine, let's talk. Mine are in rougher shape and need to be painted. They are both white. If you can get this washer for $50.00 and don't want it, let's talk. (I can't get to metro Detroit from Cincinnati right now. Central Ohio is much easier to get to.)
GO GET IT, these don't grow on trees! Dave |
Post# 430455 , Reply# 8   4/21/2010 at 20:47 (5,089 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Ok, new offer from me!
I can't tell by the photographs, but this washer looks like a Limited Edition Electronic Lady Kenmore. In other words, the model that came after the set I presently have. If it is the later version, I will offer my matching Lady Kenmore Electronic set (1981 or 82 models) for free to someone who would be kind enough to pick up this washer from outside of Detroit and get it into Ohio. My Electronic Lady Kenmore dryer is electric, not gas. If they want, I also have a complete Harvest Gold 1972 Lady Kenmore with the garage door and keyboard control panel I can throw in. The cabinet on the 72 isn't wonderful, but it does run. The mechanicals will need some attention (there is a leak somewhere, maybe the lint filter, and its centerpost bearings need some oil). I haven't yet contacted the seller because I don't want to commit to something I can't pick up (going out of town this weekend and have some busy weekends ahead). Also, if someone else is already after this washer, I don't want to step on their toes. Any takers? Dave CLICK HERE TO GO TO Volvoguy87's LINK |
Post# 430567 , Reply# 10   4/22/2010 at 15:27 (5,088 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 430583 , Reply# 11   4/22/2010 at 18:52 (5,088 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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About the finish on the top and lid.....
This machine definitely has porcelain on both. The 70-series and lower were enameled through 1982, then powder coated after that. Everything 80-series and up post 1981 was porcelain coated into the later 1980s at least, certainly on the belt-drives anyway. Good luck with the machines guys! Gordon |
Post# 430585 , Reply# 12   4/22/2010 at 19:02 (5,088 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Charles -
Not sure the exact origin of the Limited Edition set, but the last belt-drive models issued for general sale were 1983 models. These appeared in the stores gradually in 1983 while some 1981 and 1982 models were still in mass production. No electronic models were included in the 1983 line, so the Limited Edition had to have been a 1982 or earlier model. There was an '82 electronic model, and the one previous to that was the 1980 Lady K with the woodgrain top, so I'm presuming this machine is an '82. There were three 1984 Kenmore belt-drives, these were issued and produced beginning in 1983 also, however none were electronic, nor were they available for sales to the general public in stores. They were offered through Toyota as incentives. There was two 400 series machines, a 700, and a Lady Kenmore-esque model. I've seen then all except the Lady. These had different finish on the control panels which had lighter woodgrains, silver on the front panels instead of gold, and knobs were closer together. I am pretty sure this machine is an '82. When/if we get the model number we'll know for sure. Gordon |
Post# 430586 , Reply# 13   4/22/2010 at 19:05 (5,088 days old) by retropia ()   |   | |
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It's going to travel in the back of my SUV, so I doubt I'll be able to fit it in upright. Should it be transported on its back? Front? Side? Any other precautions I should take? |
Post# 430607 , Reply# 14   4/22/2010 at 21:38 (5,088 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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i've hauled BDs on the side with no problems,but if they sit horizontal for a few days they can leak a little oil-at least in my experience. |
Post# 430620 , Reply# 15   4/22/2010 at 22:37 (5,088 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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They can leak oil in as few as 30 minutes when a BD is on it's side. Some never leak, others do almost immediately.
I have had dozens upon dozens leak when I lay them down to remove pumps, take off the trans braces for a belt change, etc. It sometimes takes a while for the oil to start flowing, but once it does, if the agitator shaft seal at the transmission cover is worn, oil can flow until half the transmission is drained. Loosing some oil in a BD's transmission is not necessarily going to cause an issue, but it's 60-weight motor oil, so if it spills in an SUV, you could have a mess on your hands. I don't like to loose more than a couple tablespoons if I can control it. Gordon |
Post# 430776 , Reply# 17   4/23/2010 at 23:00 (5,087 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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"If it does leak oil from the transmission, is there an easy way that Dave can check the level and add more if necessary, once he gets it to its final home?"
In a nutshell, No - the transmission would have to be removed from the machine. Then the cam bars, wig-wag, and drive pulley must be taken off, and the cover can be removed and the transmission refilled. There is a small air vent on top, and I've thought about filling oil through it, however the oil is 60-weight motor oil (very thick) and I'm not sure it would flow at all through a tube that small. |
Post# 431393 , Reply# 19   4/26/2010 at 18:26 (5,084 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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To get it off, you have to take the clear hose off the pressure switch and dethread it through the hole in the top. Then the wiring harness terminal block needs to be disconnected and unsnapped from the top, the lid switch needs to be disconnected and the wires taken from their clips, and finally the green ground wire needs to be removed from inside the control panel (that is if the electronic models had this). At that point you should be able to disconnect the top and set it aside.
This machine is considered 43-inches tall from the bottom to the top of the control panel. Taking the top off would probably remove 7 of height. You're still going to be cutting it close, so removing the front legs (which are plastic screw-in type) might help. Gordon |
Post# 431394 , Reply# 20   4/26/2010 at 18:27 (5,084 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)   |   | |
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Would it be possible to temporarily plug the vent somehow? Maybe cover the hole with duct tape, etc? |
Post# 431467 , Reply# 22   4/26/2010 at 23:39 (5,084 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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It's not the vent that leaks the oil, it's the agitator shaft seal. That area is essentially completely covered by a spin-tube support bearing called the T-bearing, which is itself largely covered/burried by the basket drive assembly which consists of the clutch and spin tube. There is little or no access to parts in there without removing them.
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Post# 431574 , Reply# 24   4/27/2010 at 11:55 (5,084 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)   |   | |
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Just a thought... |
Post# 431712 , Reply# 25   4/28/2010 at 11:46 (5,083 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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The dimensions of the later BDs are: 43H, 29W, 26D (some were 41.5 H). Most metal console BDs from the late 70s on weighed about 220 lbs, plus or minus a pound or two.
Try UShip.com I have used them with great success many times. The DDs have some design/construction points in common. Their transmissions use the same amount of oil, and have similar agaitator shafts (though shorter). It would not surprise me at all if a worn seal on one of those would leak too, just like a BD. I hear that the centerpost on DDs is better sealed though, so perhaps the transmission is too? Gordon |