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Thread Number: 28484
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| Post# 435313 5/14/2010 at 17:24 (5,089 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 435315 , Reply# 1 5/14/2010 at 17:25 (5,089 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Unboxed | ||
| Post# 435366 , Reply# 2 5/14/2010 at 22:19 (5,088 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Are you going to attemp an install yourself or is the store sending someone out to do it? | ||
| Post# 435390 , Reply# 3 5/15/2010 at 01:10 (5,088 days old) by vacfanatic () | ||
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Nice!!! Malcolm, Snap some underside photos of her motor and underside goods if you can ;-) Jealous! Andrew | ||
| Post# 435418 , Reply# 4 5/15/2010 at 06:54 (5,088 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Installation | ||
| Post# 435420 , Reply# 5 5/15/2010 at 06:58 (5,088 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Out with the OLD | ||
| Post# 435424 , Reply# 6 5/15/2010 at 07:06 (5,088 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Home Depot
Got to make another run to Home Depot. I need to build up the interior of the cabinet a bit so the machine can be properly anchored.
Andrew - Have fun at the Wash-in-a-thon! Wish I could have made it. I was supposed to be doing a system upgrade this weekend, but it got postponed at the last minute. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 435457 , Reply# 8 5/15/2010 at 12:19 (5,088 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Miele Is In...
The Miele has been installed. I had to run out an buy some salt. You would think Miele would package a starter salt / rinse aid / detergent in these machines. Sheesh! In any case, here is a pic of the new machine in its first wash without dishes. Camera phone is not the greatest...
I will say that the DIY install of the Bosch was a lot easier than the Miele. Malcolm 
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| Post# 435490 , Reply# 9 5/15/2010 at 21:11 (5,087 days old) by DanManTN (Tennessee) | ||
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| Post# 435652 , Reply# 11 5/16/2010 at 20:20 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Machine Operation
Well, I have only done one load of dishes in the machine. Can't much quieter than this thing. The Bosch was rated at 44db and the Miele is quieter.
As for cabinet modification, I had to add some wood blocks to the underside of the counter in order to secure the machine in position. Quite easy, but requiring another trip to the Home Depot was aggravating. I will take an interior pic and upload it tomorrow afternoon. The Bosch was damaged when delivered it and the retailer would not replace it because it was a SPECIAL ORDER to get the machine in BLACK! It was such an awful purchasing experience, I wanted to get that thing out of my house as soon as possible. HHGREGG can kiss my ASS! There, I said it. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 435680 , Reply# 12 5/16/2010 at 22:20 (5,086 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
Mounting
There are 2 ways to mount the dishwasher...up on top like you did or on the sides like I had to because of the granite countertops that we have. The plugs that cover the screw holes on on the side of the door opening make it very easy to secure the machine. The instructions dont say a whole lot since its a pictogram showing one what to do.
As far as salt goes..use it. In the manual for your machine it will tell you how to properly set it for the salt. Mine does the adjusting automatically and all I do is add the salt. I find that with the new phosphate free detergents that we have here in Mass like Cascade do a much better job if the water is already softened. Very nice machine I have to say and like I always say...once you go Miele you never go back. | ||
| Post# 435722 , Reply# 13 5/17/2010 at 06:26 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Cabinet Opening
Yeah. I was unable to mount the machine from the sides as the cabinet opening is almost an inch wider than the machine. Eventually, I my find some one-by stock and fill in the gap. But it really isn't that big of a deal to me. There certainly isn't a noise issue arising from it.
Yes, salt has been added. After the first cycle without dishes was completed, I went in to look at the water hardness setting and it reported that it was detected at 3. The default, according to the manual, should be 15. So, I don't think I will need to be refilling the salt container for a while. I will say that having to custom cut the kick plate is something I didn't expect to have to do. I'll take care of that one evening this week. Malcolm Now keep me away from the Miele laundry machines... | ||
| Post# 435745 , Reply# 14 5/17/2010 at 10:00 (5,086 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 435749 , Reply# 16 5/17/2010 at 10:55 (5,086 days old) by Spiceman1957 () | ||
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Congratulation Malcolm! I'm green with envy. Can't wait to see pictures (or even videos) of the interior and it's features. Makes me want to "dish" out my old dishwasher John | ||
| Post# 435758 , Reply# 17 5/17/2010 at 11:53 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Miele W&D
Well, I don't really see changing the SQ's for Miele's for a year or two. Although, I do have someone that would be happy to take them if I ever decide to make the switch.
The Miele Vac dealership I went to on Saturday for the salt "Somat Brand" had all of the Miele products on hand. I may end up back there in the future to purchase a Miele vacuum cleaner. Who knows... First load is done and put away. Sorry, no pix of that. Gradually loading for run number two. It may happen this evening. First load was done on Sensor Wash program. It started with a pre-rinse which switched to main wash without a water change. Guess it didn't need one. Then drained and did a single rinse, I think. I don't remember hearing it pump out again. Anyway, the entire wash/dry program was less than 90 minutes. Everything was bone dry at the end of the run. Except for a couple of beer mugs that usually hold a couple tablespoons of water anyway. All in all, I am pretty happy with it. Much nicer than the Bosch. And the Bosch with the cutlery tray would have been about the same price, but not as well built. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 435777 , Reply# 18 5/17/2010 at 12:53 (5,086 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey) | ||
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Hey Malcolm. Do try the Somat and Miele tabs and the Rins Aid. | ||
| Post# 435781 , Reply# 19 5/17/2010 at 13:25 (5,086 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
Malcolm congrats on that wounderfully enginered Miele dishwasher
great machine i remembered when they came in my former job we demo-ed it to death at Gerhards appliances. You are so right about HHgreg's the are conpletly hard to deal when i applied for a job and you think i was going for a preident's position's and after all of that i got a stupid a** letter being denied so f**k them. Anyway i would like to know if the( Cheese Cycle ) works lol you have a host of cycles to play with let us know how you like them. The guy's are saying about the Miele washer is great and it is that you will be getting a bug soon and you will I'll post a Teardown on the washer soon. I beleave some new members here got them. Good choice on the dishwasher ! Darren k | ||
| Post# 435837 , Reply# 20 5/17/2010 at 18:24 (5,086 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Miele ... The Teardown. | ||
| Post# 435840 , Reply# 21 5/17/2010 at 18:35 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Small Load Finished | ||
| Post# 435841 , Reply# 22 5/17/2010 at 18:37 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Power Unit | ||
| Post# 435842 , Reply# 23 5/17/2010 at 18:38 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Middle Rack | ||
| Post# 435843 , Reply# 24 5/17/2010 at 18:40 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Upper Deck | ||
| Post# 435845 , Reply# 25 5/17/2010 at 18:42 (5,086 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Ready To Go | ||
| Post# 435879 , Reply# 26 5/17/2010 at 19:34 (5,085 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 435884 , Reply# 27 5/17/2010 at 20:20 (5,085 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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With my LaPerla the salt reservoir is in the door. I noticed yours is at the bottom of the tank. I find the door location much easier to fill. The other thing you may find that the U shaped bottle holder in the lower rack...you may find that you never use it. I know I dont and I took it out. As you use your machine you are going to find that the racks hold a great deal and are flexible in loading. The silverware tray...with your silverware you can go heads in the pins or the handles in. With my silverware they have chunky handles so I have no choice but to load them head between pins.
When you use the Sensor Cycle it does drain the prerinse water and it will go right into Main Wash. There are always 2 after rinses. If the dishwasher senses that the load is really bad it will add another prerinse before the main wash. Your most powerful cycles are Heavy and Pots/Pans. That lower arm with the small jets and the vario pressure wash pump will really surprise you in how much power it has. NOTHING and I do mean nothing survives on the pots and pans after those cycles. I am thinking with your you can add a Soak portion to a cycle. Mine does and I find that I use it alot. | ||
| Post# 435951 , Reply# 28 5/18/2010 at 06:29 (5,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Soak Option
Yes, I do have the option to add a SOAK to a few of the programs but not all of them. I am still trying to figure out why you would want to have a glassware cycle without detergent and rinse aid.
Rack Flexability - the racking in this machine seems to adjust to my needs more than any other dishwasher I have seen. You can tell a lot of research and development went into this machine. The real test will be over Memorial Day Weekend. There will be a house full and this quiet beast will run at least twice a day, if not more. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 436010 , Reply# 29 5/18/2010 at 11:50 (5,085 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Your racking looks alot like mine. The lower rack the plate racks should come out and so does the tines in the upper rack. The only time I take them out is for pots and pans. I also take out the silverware tray and drop the upper rack to its lowest position. The idea in taking out the silverware tray is that the top arm can scour the top of the load without being diffused by the tray. One thing with this machine is resist the urge to prerinse. Also the filters are more self cleaning than one would realize. If one scraps the dishes properly then most of the time there is nothing in the microfine filter area.
I can say one thing that I do love my dishwasher...going on 3 years now and absolutlely no problems. Oh and before I forget...if your middle or lower arms gets stuck it will tell you by flashing a warning. The cycle will not advance until you fix it. I encountered that today since a spatula got out of position in the upper rack and blocked the middle arm. I came back into the kitchen and noticed a flashing message in the display. I fixed the problem and the dishwasher finished its job. With yours you can also set it up to give a buzzer when the cycle is done. Also the language can be changed. I like using the UK English and it changes the cycle names. Heavy turns into Intensive,..kinda neat if you ask me. | ||
| Post# 436046 , Reply# 31 5/18/2010 at 14:41 (5,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Heavy Wash Night | ||
| Post# 436078 , Reply# 32 5/18/2010 at 18:14 (5,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Loaded | ||
| Post# 436079 , Reply# 33 5/18/2010 at 18:15 (5,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Loaded | ||
| Post# 436080 , Reply# 34 5/18/2010 at 18:16 (5,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Loaded | ||
| Post# 436081 , Reply# 35 5/18/2010 at 18:17 (5,085 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Ready to Roll | ||
Post# 436089 , Reply# 36 5/18/2010 at 19:05 (5,084 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 436154 , Reply# 37 5/19/2010 at 00:15 (5,084 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 436250 , Reply# 38 5/19/2010 at 16:21 (5,084 days old) by favorit () | ||
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some rack tools | ||
| Post# 436290 , Reply# 39 5/19/2010 at 19:42 (5,083 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Lower Rack | ||
| Post# 436291 , Reply# 40 5/19/2010 at 19:43 (5,083 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Middle Rack | ||
| Post# 436292 , Reply# 41 5/19/2010 at 19:45 (5,083 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Upper Rack | ||
| Post# 436294 , Reply# 42 5/19/2010 at 19:48 (5,083 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Temperature Selection | ||
| Post# 436305 , Reply# 43 5/19/2010 at 21:36 (5,083 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 436367 , Reply# 45 5/20/2010 at 08:22 (5,083 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Temperature display
Hi mrb,
the reason you don't get temperatures because the software is set to the USA version. On my G2830 it shows temps, but I changed the country version to EUR, which changes the programme sequence on the Normal cycle. The country versions available are AUS-Australia JPN-Japan USA EUR-Europe SER-South East Europe I/E - Italy/Spain What happens when you change the country is the programme sequences are modified for that country's particular requirements. For example if you set the country to I/E, the sensor wash temperature range goes from 45 - 70 degrees C vs a max of 65 in the EUR mode. The reason being in Italy and Spain they need to tackle more stubborn starch soiling such as pasta and rice I now have the G 2834 and the Sensor wash has been modified from the first version. I like the Turbo function which gives a hotter wash and cuts the programme time down. | ||
| Post# 436369 , Reply# 46 5/20/2010 at 08:27 (5,083 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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photos of my G 2830 fully loaded | ||
| Post# 436370 , Reply# 47 5/20/2010 at 08:30 (5,083 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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| Post# 436371 , Reply# 48 5/20/2010 at 08:33 (5,083 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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| Post# 436394 , Reply# 49 5/20/2010 at 10:11 (5,083 days old) by rudin1969 (Italy) | ||
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Hi Mielerod69 according to my (Italian) instructions manual for the G1832, the Sensor Wash programme has a temperature range of 40-65°. | ||
| Post# 436395 , Reply# 50 5/20/2010 at 10:14 (5,083 days old) by rudin1969 (Italy) | ||
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sorry, I meant 45-65°C | ||
| Post# 436405 , Reply# 52 5/20/2010 at 11:21 (5,083 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Screen Fonts | ||
| Post# 436496 , Reply# 53 5/20/2010 at 18:21 (5,083 days old) by Spiceman1957 () | ||
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I really like the removable tins/racks. This would be very helpful when washing large pieces. What I like especially with this Miele is the cutlery rack. Does this special rack eliminates spitting since the cutlery does not touch each other? John | ||
| Post# 436653 , Reply# 54 5/21/2010 at 12:41 (5,082 days old) by AndrewInOrlando () | ||
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Malcolm, do you find the Miele cleans well when you double stack items, like say, a bowl over a cup on the top rack? Or when dishes in general just overlap each other on either rack? Some modern machines seem to have a problem with this!! | ||
| Post# 436798 , Reply# 55 5/22/2010 at 10:45 (5,081 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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I have double stacked items and don't seem to have much of a problem. Here are some pictures of items double stacked Middle rack 
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| Post# 436800 , Reply# 56 5/22/2010 at 10:47 (5,081 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Middle rack clean: 
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| Post# 436801 , Reply# 57 5/22/2010 at 10:49 (5,081 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Lower rack 
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| Post# 436802 , Reply# 58 5/22/2010 at 10:50 (5,081 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Lower rack clean 
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| Post# 436803 , Reply# 59 5/22/2010 at 10:51 (5,081 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Cutlery tray: 
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| Post# 436804 , Reply# 60 5/22/2010 at 10:52 (5,081 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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clean cutlery tray 
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| Post# 436957 , Reply# 61 5/23/2010 at 13:12 (5,080 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Artful Loading
Wow. There is an art to fully loading a dishwasher. I must not have that gene as when I attempt to load/overload I usually end up with something broken.
However, to place an item on the flip down shelf of either the middle or lower rack with another item directly underneath, has never effected results in the Miele or the Bosch I had prior. Malcolm | ||
| Post# 436991 , Reply# 62 5/23/2010 at 18:13 (5,080 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Ah but if you notice that the "clean pic" of the tray in post 436804 was cut off. When I saw the ladle and where it was I thought there is no way that will get clean and its in the path of the wash arm for the tray. Its been my experience with my machine that anything tall in that area will block the arm.
One thing you may notice is that in the right front corner if you put small plates the very outer one closest to the wall will not wash right. Kinda like a dead zone. With mine I never put anything small there. On dishwasher detergents...pass on the Somat 1 tabs...they are too pricey and dont clean in my opinion. The Miele tabs made by Claro do a fantastic job and you get more bang for your buck. I use Cascade in mine and get great results. Powder and the All in One tabs. | ||
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Post# 437113 , Reply# 64 5/24/2010 at 05:45 (5,079 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Yes, pack that Miele! Here are some more suggestions from the German forum. You can either go back and forth yourselves - or use the direct links.
Miele Pics One Miele Pics Two (scroll down) Miele Pics Three Miele Pics Four Bosch Pics One Bosch Pics Two | ||
| Post# 437292 , Reply# 65 5/25/2010 at 06:33 (5,078 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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Jerrod good to see you posting very nice dishwasher maybe i can see it someday.
Great racking! Alexander your pics are way to cool. Malcolm i found this in a Miele Magazine book and thought this was interesting for everybody here it says.......... Every dishwasher begins with the inner cabinet. Miele has just invested in a new innovative and patented method for that section, which goes by the name of cubic hydroforming . It involves joining the sides, base, top and back to form a cube. The entire inner cabinet is then shaped , or sculptured in a process called hydroforming , involving injecting water into the cube at high pressure. The advantages of this method are that it avoids welding stress, improves the stability of the inner cabinet and allows more scope for designing the interior walls. Moreover, the improved shape also reduces water and power consumption. That is pretty cool for the miele models that you guy's have here. Darren k. | ||
| Post# 438909 , Reply# 66 6/1/2010 at 14:50 (5,071 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Additional Programs | ||
| Post# 439391 , Reply# 67 6/3/2010 at 11:01 (5,069 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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I use the Cheese program when I have potatoes Au gratin. Dirty Casserol: 
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| Post# 439392 , Reply# 68 6/3/2010 at 11:04 (5,069 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Dirty Casserol 2: 
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| Post# 439393 , Reply# 69 6/3/2010 at 11:06 (5,069 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Clean Casserol: 
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| Post# 439395 , Reply# 70 6/3/2010 at 11:09 (5,069 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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This program can really handle stuck on, burned on crusty cheese. 
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| Post# 1012104 , Reply# 71 10/25/2018 at 10:41 (2,003 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Early Death?
Sadly, I think my Miele Excella has washed its final load. Been plagued by a series of fault codes over the past 10 days. F11/F85 and one other. Only issue found was the check ball in the pump was stuck. Removed and cleaned it and it's seal. Thought I had fixed it. Then a different error. Then another.
So what now? Back to Bosch? Malcolm | ||
| Post# 1012106 , Reply# 72 10/25/2018 at 10:55 (2,003 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
What is the G model number? (I sent you an email.)
If it is a gen 5: 3.37 Fault Code F85: Slide Shutter Signal Change Fault Symptom: Even though the slide shutter has not been activated, a signal change has been detected at the position switch. If the fault is registered before the circulation pump has been activated for the first time (or before program start), the program is interrupted and the drain pump is operated. If the fault is registered later, the fault message will be indicated in the display at the end of the program. Cause: Position switch B3/12 defective; intermittent contact. Remedy: 1. Check for dirty contacts; clean or replace circulation pump as necessary. 2. Check for pulses during operation at ST14 on the electronic, using a multimeter set for low-voltage DC. If there are pulses every 30 seconds, then replace the electronic (Section 100-4.5 or 100-4.6). If there are no pulses, replace the circulation pump (Section 050-4.13). Cause: Electronic defective. Remedy: Replace the electronic. See Section 100-4.5 or 100-4.6. 3.11 Fault Code F11: Drainage Fault Symptom: Water present in appliance and is not being drained off. Background information: After each drain pump step, the circulation pump operates for 2 seconds and heater pressure switch B1/13 checks the water level. See Figure 080-6. If it is too high (large quantity of residual water remaining in the cabinet), the drainage time is extended. If, after a further check, the water level is still too high, then the program is interrupted, the fault code is saved and the drain pump is activated. Figure 080-6: Circuit Test Path for F11 Fault code F11 is also registered if heater relay 1K1 is not activated after the fault code F51 register check; see Section 080-3.27. Cause: Drain hose kinked. Remedy: Check the drain hose for correct positioning. Cause: Drain blocked. Remedy: Check for proper water flow from the drain line by performing the following procedure: 1. Disconnect drain line from drain trap, garbage disposal, or drain pipe and place in bucket or large container. 2. Ensure that adequate water is in the dishwasher cabinet. Select and start a new wash program (first step should be a 30-second drain). Ensure that the drain hose is held in place within the bucket or container. 3. If water flows from the drain hose, the dishwasher is not the cause of the blockage. Blockage is in the piping and should be checked by a specialist. If water does not flow from the drain hose, then check the filters. 1. Clean the on-site drain. 2. Check the sump drain. 3. Check the filters for blockage. 4. Check the heater pressure switch and replace it, if necessary. See Section 050-4.16. Cause: Ball in non-return valve in sump has not opened (e.g., jammed). Remedy: Check the non-return valve for blockage; clean or replace as necessary. Clean the non-return valve in the sump or replace it if necessary. Cause: Drain pump defective. Remedy: With the non-return valve removed, check the drain pump for proper operation by performing the following steps: 1. Check the drain pump impeller blades for proper rotation. If stuck, look for foreign objects blocking impeller blades. If impeller blades are jammed and no foreign objects are found, proceed to the next step. 2. Remove the lower service door panel. 3. Operate the dishwasher in a drain step. 4. Check for power at the drain pump. If pump is receiving power, then replace the drain pump. If not, check wiring from electronic to the drain pump. Replace or repair as necessary (Section 050-4.17). Cause: Foreign objects in heater pressure switch. Remedy: Check the heater pressure switch for blockages and correct switching point. Ensure that the contacts are in the correct position after a drain step. Replace if necessary. See Section 050-4.16. Cause: Heater relay defective. Heater relay (coil or contacts) becomes defective during the drainage step (after fault code F51 register check). Remedy: Replace the heater relay. See Section 050-4.10. | ||
| Post# 1012108 , Reply# 73 10/25/2018 at 11:11 (2,003 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 1012165 , Reply# 74 10/26/2018 at 07:38 (2,002 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Update
So last night I emptied the machine of all dishware, cleaned the filters, cleaned the check valve, reassembled, then ran an empty 'Sensor Wash' program.
It completed without an error. I will repeat the empty run at least two more times over the weekend. If successful, I will bless it as a fluke. Perhaps I dislodged some grit from the check valve from the first F-11 fault and it is making its way through the water path. I hope that is all it is. Malcolm | ||
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