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Thread Number: 28857
My first Norge!!!! Well, sorta... |
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Post# 440074 6/7/2010 at 09:30 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma  (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440075 , Reply# 1 6/7/2010 at 09:34 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Now, were I a technician at Consumer's Reports, I would have to note that you need to be less than forty years old with perfect 20/20 vision to read the controls on these things. The photo isn't too far from the truth, the lettering is so fine and the reflection off the control panel make it very hard to know what button you need to push, what knob you need to turn and where:
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Post# 440076 , Reply# 2 6/7/2010 at 09:35 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440077 , Reply# 3 6/7/2010 at 09:38 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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It is!!!
My very first burpalator!!! (Hoping it was going to be a black one, but I'm not disappointed. And yes, the movie Private Benjamin was really about me).
Another plastic lint filter pan and fabric softener dispenser(was hoping for blue) to add to my collection. Complete with the previous owner's lint ball. Oh boy. 
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Post# 440078 , Reply# 4 6/7/2010 at 09:39 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440079 , Reply# 5 6/7/2010 at 09:41 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440080 , Reply# 6 6/7/2010 at 09:42 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440081 , Reply# 7 6/7/2010 at 09:42 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440082 , Reply# 8 6/7/2010 at 09:43 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440083 , Reply# 9 6/7/2010 at 09:45 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440084 , Reply# 10 6/7/2010 at 09:47 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440085 , Reply# 11 6/7/2010 at 09:47 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440086 , Reply# 12 6/7/2010 at 09:48 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440087 , Reply# 13 6/7/2010 at 09:51 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440088 , Reply# 14 6/7/2010 at 09:53 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Now I know where the engineers at GM got a lot of their ideas for putting together the 1-18's; the tub set-up, cap, clips, tub itself(size and shape) are all too similar. Will post more pics when I give her the maiden spin. Very curious about the sounds and sights of a Norge, never seen one in action before.
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Post# 440103 , Reply# 15 6/7/2010 at 10:38 (5,065 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Great find! You should be kveling! Great and aggressive washers! Beware your dainties! Might be a good idea to sand down that spin-tube and coat with POR-15 or a good couple of layers of a Rust-o-Leum anti-rust spray paint, before re-installing that aggravater. | ||
| Post# 440107 , Reply# 16 6/7/2010 at 11:10 (5,065 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 440116 , Reply# 17 6/7/2010 at 12:27 (5,065 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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NORGE WASHERS 
The shoe lace is a factory part it holds the top when opened for service. I think the lettering is some what faded on the control panel. Peter is correct the agitator cannot be easily disassembled. Norges weren't built for long term durability or ease of repair, they were very good performers however, this is why so few survived. Fun machines hope you have lots of fun with them ,keep us posted.
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| Post# 440132 , Reply# 18 6/7/2010 at 13:25 (5,065 days old) by retropia () | ||
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There can't be many of these left around. Congrats! | ||
| Post# 440134 , Reply# 19 6/7/2010 at 13:35 (5,065 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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What is all that pink stuff around the top of the machine when the lid was removed? Looks like a great machine. But I imagine it was not fun to schlep home with it! | ||
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Post# 440171 , Reply# 20 6/7/2010 at 17:02 (5,065 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Whoa! Great find!! | ||
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Post# 440190 , Reply# 21 6/7/2010 at 18:01 (5,065 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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How fun - congrats on the MW's!
So very 70's - there was a set just like this (but gold) five years ago at St. Vinnie's that was ignored for a long time. I debated every time I saw it there but never brought it home. Peter would have teased me with the gold color anyway as it seemed that was all I ever found ;-) I'm surprised your agitator came out - all the ones I've had here never would budge. | ||
| Post# 440191 , Reply# 22 6/7/2010 at 18:04 (5,065 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Kick-Ass Dryer! | ||
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Post# 440199 , Reply# 23 6/7/2010 at 18:45 (5,065 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 440222 , Reply# 24 6/7/2010 at 20:56 (5,065 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Thanks
All the "pink stuff" is my digital camera acting up. Talk about vintage; I love this camera so much, it's given me such great service that I can't bring myself to get rid of it even though every knowledgeable geek tells me it's going to cost much more to repair it. Oh well.
I've been cleaning the dickens out of it. My hands are red and raw from oven cleaner, Mr. Clean, Lime away, boiling water and the like. This is a hazardous hobby. Dr. STupid(moi) of course, dropped a piece of a wooden skewer into the outer tub whilst cleaning, so know I have to find a ratchet part to unscrew the wash basket to lift it out. The more I look at this thing the more I think I'm working on a 1-18. Has the same plastic washbasket cover complete with clips to the outer tub and lots of hoses leading into and out of it just like the late Frigidaires. Not only is the washbasket the same size and shape, but it's as light as a 1-18 basket. Not too well fabricated either: very uneven spun metal under that porcelain and the perforations look like they were done by hand. The drain hose is as thin as a garden hose and will need to be replaced before I try it out. On the positive side, the control knobs and buttons are incredibly solid and definitive. The lettering and numbering is not at all faded; just badly designed. They were not paying as much attention to ergonomics as they were to aesthetics. Can't wait to see those pilots light up. Now I'm wondering if there are any end of cycle bells and/or whistles. Not complaining, just observing. Part of me wants to tell you the story of how difficult it was to get it from the seller who did so little to help my buddy who came to pick it up...but that's another thread. Funny you mentioned the dryer door popping open; it does! The door latch assembly is missing a screw; I hope that will solve the problem. My Gas man came today to repair my propane tanks and was very helpful in walking me through the process of converting the dryer to propane and hooking it up. Will have to wait until I win Powerball, though. Does anyone have any ideas about painting the dryer drum? Or is that a waste of time? I wonder if I could take it to a powder coating place? I remember seeing a couple of Norge dryers in my youth that had drums that were peeling and rusty. 
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Post# 440234 , Reply# 25 6/7/2010 at 22:23 (5,065 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Those flocking dryers.
If you're going to have it even near the inside of your home, you should check, clean and replace the seals all around. I had a MW/Norge dryer for only a couple of weeks in my basement and out it went - literally to the recycler. I've never seen anything like it. Granted, it was old and the felt drum & ductwork seals were tired and leaky, but the amount of fine lint uniformly distributed on every surface was uncanny! The coarse lint screen material was useless for all but the longest of threads and hair. It was a beautiful dryer, had a 'yes, size matters' drum and was fairly fast from the large volume of air billowing through the load. If you didn't have to have a (symbolic) vent, it would be a great super-fast dryer at 170 cu ft per min. Do you know what the BTU input rating? This slightly earlier Norge is 22,000. It's a good idea to convert the dryer to propane, that way you can have the dryer out in the yard tethered to a grill bottle flocking real X-mas trees instead of your entire basement, house, etc. :-)
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Post# 440235 , Reply# 26 6/7/2010 at 22:25 (5,065 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 440237 , Reply# 27 6/7/2010 at 22:37 (5,065 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 440264 , Reply# 30 6/8/2010 at 00:32 (5,065 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Oh.... Cool scans Greg! Thanks! These Norge's are beautiful! Brent | ||
| Post# 440266 , Reply# 31 6/8/2010 at 00:34 (5,065 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Interesting in the scans.... I wonder how the burner went from: High: 22,000 btu to Low: 14,500 btu ? This is interesting. Brent | ||
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Post# 440296 , Reply# 32 6/8/2010 at 07:42 (5,064 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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NORGE WASHERS & DRYRES
The gas burner had a extra solenoid on it to allow two different BTU out puts. WP did this on thier two speed gas dryers, Wards & norge used a two level valve on thier high end dryers so the heat could tapper down as the clothes dried. This was thier version of KMs soft heat. The 1960s KM soft heat gas dryers had a true modulating burner that tapered the BTU output down as the clothes dried from 37,000 to less than 5,000 BTUs the burner did not cut off completely until the dryer went into cool down. Most gas ovens had a modulating thermostats until about 1960 where the flame didn't go off and on to maintain temperature, it just tapered up & down and most people who are into older gas stoves will tell you how well they bake this is why.
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Post# 440300 , Reply# 33 6/8/2010 at 07:53 (5,064 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Norge washer
HI Ken I would not attempt to remove the wash basket to remove the dropped wooden skewer, I would try to work it through the drain outlet instead. The tub mounting bolts often break off or strip out and the pot metal parts often crack or just disintegrate. I must say I see almost similarity between this and a 1-18, the 1-18 was much better built and much easier to do major repairs on.
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Post# 440301 , Reply# 34 6/8/2010 at 08:00 (5,064 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Oh Greg!
I'm still laughing. You hit the nail on the head; I was worrying about that lint filter the minute I saw it and even thinking about retro-fitting it with a finer mesh. It has a screen that would maybe keep some flies out of the dryer and that's it.
I haven't looked at the burner yet or even plugged the unit in as I've just been overloaded lately. I will take pictures as I go. Today, if I can get the tub out I'll feel like I've accomplished something. Can't wait for the Norge Scanathon! Jon-thanks for the info on the burner. I'll take a look at it and post when I can. And I appreciated what you said about old Gas ovens. It's amazing what could be engineered without electrical help. | ||
| Post# 440347 , Reply# 36 6/8/2010 at 11:57 (5,064 days old) by RICKR (.) | ||
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Post# 440421 , Reply# 37 6/8/2010 at 16:30 (5,064 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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Very cool machines...I have the same set in Harvest Gold. It's true about the lint thing...I tried a band of weatherstripping around the dryer door to stop the large amount of lint from blowing around the door cracks. That fan really blows the air around! And the (gas) dryer I have runs very hot so clothes dry really fast. Other than that, the machines are great and fun to listen to and watch, lights and all!
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| Post# 440423 , Reply# 38 6/8/2010 at 16:35 (5,064 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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BEST!!!!! WASHER EVER!!!! | ||
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Post# 440487 , Reply# 39 6/8/2010 at 21:39 (5,064 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Gass burner extra solenoid
John thanks for the explanation. I rememberr a slight click on our 1964 Wrinkle-Out dryer that paired with the TOL 8 push-button washer--dispensomat. My mom used timed dry on that dryer all the time and the max time limit for her was 45 minutes whether the load was dry or not. When I did the laundry every load was dried on either automatic regular or automatic wash and wear. I noticed that click moreso on the w'n'w than the regular auto dry. But it could have done that for both auto cycles. when I'd hear that click, sometimes I'd raise the door on the gas burner mechanism access and see if I could tell any difference. SOMETIMES it looked like the flame wasn't as intense after that click, but I couldn't be certain for sure. And I wasn't gonna stand there and stare into that system and wait for that click to see if I could see anytinng different with the flame after the click. Besides, the washer was usually going and that was more intersting. But Im' curious, did the electric version of those dryers have something similar that would lower the wattage of the heating element as the clothes dried?
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Post# 440489 , Reply# 40 6/8/2010 at 21:43 (5,064 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 440645 , Reply# 41 6/9/2010 at 19:27 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Ben, I'd love to see a picture of that.
Spent the better part of two days grinding, scrubbing, unscrewing, screwing, oiling, cleaning (someone remind me to send a thank-you note to the people who make Lime-A-Way). This thing is built like a tank! And I must say, Norge used a lot more stainless steel bolts, screws and other important hardware than the Maytag family did: 
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Post# 440646 , Reply# 42 6/9/2010 at 19:31 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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The wash-basket came out with much elbow grease. I was scared I would break something because although it looked very much like a Filter-Flo set up, I was working in the dark not knowing whether anything else was holding it down besides the three bolts which were on so tight. As you can see, the outer tub was very clean except for some disgusting sticky gunk around the top that I suspect was years-old fabric softener residue. Scraped and vacuumed most of it away and washed out the tub with Lime away. The tub cap was also encrusted with gunk and took a lot to clean up. I'm ready to reassemble the machine:
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Post# 440648 , Reply# 43 6/9/2010 at 19:33 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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The wash-basket itself is light as a feather and except for a strange little brittle rubber seal on the bottom (which I tore, of course) cleaned up without incident. Reoiled all the bolts after acid washing them, said many prayers and replaced the tub and the incredibly annoying metal clips that attached the cap to the outer tub:
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Post# 440649 , Reply# 44 6/9/2010 at 19:37 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Here's a shot of the set-up for the wonderful but redundant automatic powdered detergent dispenser (someone should have told Norge that you can dispense the detergent from the filter pan just like the GE's). It looks sort of like the old fabric softener dispenser on the Solid Tub Filter-Flo's but it doesn't seem to have a reservoir.Note to self: see if the detergent dispenser can hold liquid detergent without it just spilling out before the fill.
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Post# 440650 , Reply# 45 6/9/2010 at 19:38 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440652 , Reply# 46 6/9/2010 at 19:39 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440653 , Reply# 47 6/9/2010 at 19:40 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440654 , Reply# 48 6/9/2010 at 19:43 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 440657 , Reply# 49 6/9/2010 at 19:46 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Gloriosky! It's just like a Maytag; nothing is supposed to happen until the lid is closed and the safety switch does its thing. I love the fill, there's water coming out of everything! The detergent dispenser is a little anemic, but the main fill flume has style and some force! I must admit I'm kind of excited to see a machine I know nothing about go to work.
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Post# 440659 , Reply# 50 6/9/2010 at 19:52 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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If the Terminator ever needed a washing machine...
Jeez, Louise!!!! You guys weren't kidding! This thing is a monster! It's not a burpolator, it's a projectile vomitolator! Laundry wouldn't DARE stay dirty after a couple of rounds in this thing! This machine is a powerhouse.Also, the machine on its highest fill setting is overflowing through the relief tube. That's a pleasant change.
Uh, oh, just a moment (I'm using my HAL voice now). The machine just went into spin and it's draining but nothing's happening. And my camera is acting up. Will get back to you with an update and maybe some video clips if I can manage it. 
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| Post# 440674 , Reply# 51 6/9/2010 at 20:58 (5,063 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Post# 440705 , Reply# 53 6/9/2010 at 23:09 (5,063 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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After the machine drains enough water to trip the water level switch, the solenoid for the brake will engage and allow the machine to spin. Did the washer spin during a dry run?
BTW - great job on the clean-up! I burnt my hands last night cleaning up a '66 Custom Deluxe Rollermatic with some Lime Away. Powerful stuff. Ben | ||
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Post# 440721 , Reply# 54 6/10/2010 at 00:56 (5,063 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Yes!
Smartest throw I've ever seen in a top loader. It does just as you guys said, it drains about 1/3 of the tub out then you hear a loud "CLANK" and the machine smoothly winds up into a very fast spin. The tub brake operates selectively. In normal use, at the end of a spin cycle, the tub comes to a silent L O N G (almost a minute)slow down to a stop. Then when the machine feels like it, the spin light goes out with another "CLANK" and I assume the tub brake has engaged for more agitation. If you trip the safety switch, however, that loud tub brake grabs that tub in what seemed like less than 3 seconds!
I'm so impressed with this machine I can't believe they weren't more popular. This is/was the washing machine for farmers with really dirty rugged clothes. My towels came out of the first load extremely clean, dry and a little intimidated. One thing I still don't understand, and if any of you have an instruction manual for this or a similar machine, it has a control for an automatic advance from the soak cycle to the wash, but none for advance from regular wash to the extra rinse cycle. It stopped short of the extra rinse cycle even though I selected the "advance to wash" option thinking that would do it. I find it hard to believe it would have what it calls an "extra rinse" that one would have to do manually. I now also understand the detergent dispenser; it adds only in the wash cycle so you can load it for the wash when you set the machine to soak and advance. I am going to try to figure this out later. This was worth getting. I don't understand why these machines were phased out. They should have been bench-marked as the machine to buy for people who just want to clean the living crap out of their clothes. This thing don't play. I can't wait to see what the dryer's going to do, but that's going to have to be much later when I can afford to change the manifold and pay for the plumbing from the tanks. 
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Post# 440766 , Reply# 55 6/10/2010 at 09:42 (5,062 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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I always heard Norge was a very popular brand in Appalachia (West Virginia, E.Kentucky and S.E. Ohio); maybe because it would get the coal miners clothes clean, and wasn't high priced. Kash D. Amburgy (the Old Country Boy) heavily promoted Norge at his Bargain Barn in South Lebanon, OH. Bet Pete (Rollermatic) remembers his ads. | ||
| Post# 440830 , Reply# 56 6/10/2010 at 17:13 (5,062 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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| Post# 440845 , Reply# 57 6/10/2010 at 19:22 (5,062 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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they were pretty common for years in my area,but i have not seen any for a while-most were around 1972-82 vintage. | ||
| Post# 440861 , Reply# 58 6/10/2010 at 21:34 (5,062 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Absolutely the BEST!!! Cleaning,best built appliances ever....all but that flockerator dryer, and it is a great dryer,just blows lint!!!here is my favorite Norge!! 
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| Post# 441125 , Reply# 59 6/12/2010 at 04:10 (5,060 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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You will enjoy the Monkey Norge. I have the Magic Chef version of this machine or as I call her, Chef Norge. It really swishes the clothes around and the burpalator is fun to watch and listen to. I love the big bang clang when the tub brake releases and it goes into spin. | ||
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Post# 441134 , Reply# 60 6/12/2010 at 06:31 (5,060 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Hey Ken, that machine looks great! Now you are ready to wash all the field hands overalls/unionalls. All you need now is a bag of VIVA! | ||
| Post# 441139 , Reply# 61 6/12/2010 at 07:50 (5,060 days old) by oldwasherguy (Ladson SC) | ||
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| Post# 441155 , Reply# 62 6/12/2010 at 11:12 (5,060 days old) by kenmore81 () | ||
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Wow Nice set. My cousins had the washer, minus the detergent dispenser. It sure was a workhorse! There were 13 people in that huse. The washer did at least 4 loads a day for almost 13 years without interuption. Good luck with the set! Kenny | ||
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Post# 441165 , Reply# 64 6/12/2010 at 11:39 (5,060 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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As usual, thanks for all the information and the good wishes. I want to use this machine as my daily driver, but I'm afraid that I wouldn't be able to get parts for it if anything broke. I'm still trying to figure out how to set the machine to advance to the extra rinse, but it may be that there is none (bonehead design).
I've taken some video clips of the machine running and I'll upload them as soon as I remember how. Also, I'll take some more pictures of the dryer(which is really why I bought the set) as soon as I can get it set up. I just discovered that the dryer did have the gas association decal on the control panel. When I went downstairs to get something from the basement I noticed the outline of it from light reflecting off of the panel from an angle. Have already drawn it and am attempting to print it on an Avery label. I really need to get a life. Does anyone out there have a black burpolator that would fit this machine? 
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