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Post# 443957   6/23/2010 at 20:23 (5,027 days old) by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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I found this nice dishwasher same place I found the G.E. Washer(see other thread). This they were asking $10 for. As with the washer I unfortuneatly do not have the room for this beauty. But can assist with someone if they are intrested in acquiring it. This pic is of the inside door.




Post# 443958 , Reply# 1   6/23/2010 at 20:23 (5,027 days old) by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Insides look nice and clean. Just missing the racks.

Post# 443959 , Reply# 2   6/23/2010 at 20:25 (5,027 days old) by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Enough teasing. This beautiful dishwasher is a Frigidaire in avocado.

Post# 443976 , Reply# 3   6/23/2010 at 21:14 (5,027 days old) by dnastrau (Lords Valley, PA)        
Frigidaire Custom Imperial

Looks like the '66-'67-ish model that my aunt and uncle had when they built their house. I remember those indicator lights and pushbuttons. A 1990 KitchenAid Superba now resides where the Frigidaire once sat.

If memory serves that Frigidaire was a lot noisier than the KitchenAid is. I think tub rust is what killed the Frigidaire.


Post# 443991 , Reply# 4   6/23/2010 at 22:35 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Wow...

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Somehow, I sense a roadie in Nate's future... LOL!

RCD


Post# 444009 , Reply# 5   6/23/2010 at 23:25 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Tub rust? On a plastisol Frigidaire?

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Never. :-)

Post# 444010 , Reply# 6   6/23/2010 at 23:25 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Impossible!

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Nah, couldn't have been...

Post# 444011 , Reply# 7   6/23/2010 at 23:26 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Rust, you say?

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Complete hallucination, I'm sure. ;-)

Post# 444014 , Reply# 8   6/23/2010 at 23:32 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Custom Imperial rapid-advance 5-level

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That is the TOL model, rapid-advance model and forced-air drying. It is very loud, since it doesn't have a shred of insulation on it.

GM-Frigidaire spared no inexpense when it came to the construction of that dishwasher. Two screws hold the entire door-front on, and speed nuts hold the pump assembly to the tub. It's an incredible performer and holds a ton of dishes, but is unbelievably flimsy. The door wobbles like cardboard if you grab a corner and shake it.

It'll be the best dishwasher you ever use for the three to five years you have it--long prewash and wash phases, unbelievable water consumption and countless water changes make it a formidable performer even when you toss-in breadcrumbs and rice. It even works just fine with phosphate-free detergents. I vastly prefer mine to the KitchenAids of yore because of the amazing rack flexibility, and ability to swallow cookie sheets without coming close to the top-rack or side rails.

The only downer on this design is the bellows and tower. You gain rack space in the bottom rack due to the elimination of the "gantry" and cutout for the fixed space-needle tower, but the tower Frigidaire subbed-in for this design is a simple column with a slot--not the great small-slot, multidirectional space-needle design that kicked so much butt in the top rack.

I find that my three-level Deluxe outperforms the five-level Custom Deluxe, so I added the whirligig wash arm (four-level :-) ), but opted out of swapping racks and towers, and adding the constant-rinse disc on the roof.


Post# 444015 , Reply# 9   6/23/2010 at 23:33 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
No roadies, Andy ;-)

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All I'd want from that machine would be the control panel for the rapid-advance controls and delicous indicator lights.

Or maybe a spare tub for future safekeeping ;-)


Post# 444020 , Reply# 10   6/23/2010 at 23:51 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Racks

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The racks look like so:

Post# 444021 , Reply# 11   6/23/2010 at 23:52 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Bottom rack tower

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Here's the space-saving but not-so-hip tower.

Post# 444022 , Reply# 12   6/23/2010 at 23:52 (5,027 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Top rack

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The concentric rings allow water to pass up to the constant-rinse disc, which is static unless splattered by an up-shot of water from the tower below.

Post# 444031 , Reply# 13   6/24/2010 at 00:23 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Yay!

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Finally some pictures of your former d/w. You weren't kidding about the rust and how it just EATS thru that plasticine tub. It's also good to hear that the love affair with the Frigidaire I sent with you continues... LOL! now all you have to convince Ralph to put that KDS-20 into service...

RCD


Post# 444032 , Reply# 14   6/24/2010 at 00:28 (5,027 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Looks like a very cool and capacious machine

I never minded the center tower. It is something particular to American and early Australian dishwashers. Having a rotating washarm for the top basket can have its own disadvantages if one doesn't load the machine with that in mind. With all the emphasis on water efficiency it is hard to find a good modern machine that can handle dirty dishes without the muss and fuss of having to clean out fiddly filters on a regular basis. Out of all the dishwashers currently on the Aussie market, I find that my F&P dishdrawers move a good amount of water and it's grinderless filters are pretty effective and very easy to clean.

Post# 444067 , Reply# 15   6/24/2010 at 07:38 (5,026 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
DISHWASHERS WITH MANUAL CLEAN FILTERS

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Just remember to set your kitchen timer and stop the DW before the final rinses start and clean the guck out of the filter so your dishes can be rinsed with clean water. I have never liked having a strainer full of food in the bottom of my dishwasher. Its the worst thing about my KDSS-20 Jason pulled the filter out the other day and was grossed out by what he found. I love the machine maybe I will swap the whole tank someday so I can install the later WP power clean pump and motor.

Post# 444081 , Reply# 16   6/24/2010 at 08:49 (5,026 days old) by bwoods ()        
washing dishes in garbage

John, it's good to see there is someone else who despises dishwashers that pass every drop of wash and rinse water through garbage in the bottom of the tub. (See my recent post in Discuss-O-Mat Deluxe under GE Pure Clean)

A dishwasher that cannot dispose of food wastes is not a dishwasher but only a machine that splashes water on dishes.

In the U.S. market it seems as if the Whirlpool products are the best at food waste disposing as they have the largest openings in the sump cover.

The GE Tower Wash models do well, also. (but not the Tall Tubs.)

The newer Tower washes have small sump openings. If you take a pair of cutters and enlarge the openings on the sump cover to the size that GE used to use, it will take some good sized wastes and dispose of it as well as the Whirlpools. I have not encountered and clogging problems after having done this.

I had a couple of Frigidaires and removed the "glass trap" covering in the sump and they then did fairly well disposing of most wastes.

I would have to say that the older Whirlpools, with their killer motor, were tops at getting rid of anything I could dish out to them. Mine disposed of green beans, popcorn, pea pod remains, corn, etc. The Reverse Rack Maytags with hard food waste disposer, I have had, did well also. However, an occasional large piece of meat, etc. wouldn't make it past the slightly smaller than Whilpool sump openings.

On many of the newer dishwashers, if you don't like washing and rinsing your dishes in garbage, you have to pre-rinse and this greatly adds to the energy used to wash the dishes.

Even if you don't, you have to account for the time and energy used to pull the filters out, rinse them off and dispose of the garbage on them.

I think the U.S. Government Energy Ratings should give higher marks to dishwashers that dispose of food wastes and do not require the extra water usage that consumers need to rinse off the dishes.



Post# 444162 , Reply# 17   6/24/2010 at 15:17 (5,026 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
KDS-20

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Andy, you'll be pleased to know I've been paying visits to the KDS-20 in the garage and admiring its lower rack, dreaming of the virtually limitless loading possibilities. We're planning on getting it up on the exam table soon. Oh, and yeah, Nate's rusting shell of a Frigidaire will be stripped of good parts next weekend and then it'll be outta here and onto the scrap heap.

John, I guess if I decide to deploy the KDS-20, I should do regular filter maintenance, huh? Can you advise on how the KDS-20 would compare to the Thermador THD-3600 I'm currently using re: cyling junk through rinse water?

Ralph


Post# 444352 , Reply# 18   6/25/2010 at 08:24 (5,025 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
If you scrape your dishes before loading them in the dishwas

the residue left on them usually dissolves and gets pumped out with each water change. That has been my experience with the dishdrawers. It only has a two part filtration system that disassembles easily and the only thing I usually find in the fine mesh strainer are paper labels from jam jars or plastic juice bottles. I take the fine mesh filters out once a week for a quick clean, as some particulate matter tends to deposit there when washing heavily soiled loads.

Every other month I remove the large stainless steel filtration disks that cover the bottom of each drawer, to check if they are clean and they usually are. The washarms haven't clogged up once over the six years that I've had this machine. It is a very simple, but extremely effective design, as long as one scrapes off food particles bigger than a pea.

The first dishwasher that we put into our kitchen, when we built the house over 20 years ago, was a GE GSD 2800 with soft food waste disposer, poly. tub, oscillating spray arm and telescopic wash tower. It was a great cleaner, but only lasted 10 years. Some part had separated from the motor and repairing it would have meant replacing the entire motor assembly, which wasn't available anymore. Anyway, the machine ended up in our garage, where I took it apart to have a look at its inner workings. I was surprised at how clean the pump and waste disposer mechanism were after ten years of continuous daily use. We eventually put it to the kerb, which I still regret. It was a beautiful machine inside and out.

I would love to have a dishwasher with a hard food waste disposer. Though, unless I move back to the US, that will never happen.


Post# 444540 , Reply# 19   6/25/2010 at 20:46 (5,025 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)        
My parents had this dishwasher....

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....in the home they had built in 1969 in St. Paul, Minnesota. It was coppertone.
I remember that it WAS noisy BUT, it was the first dishwasher (other than the top-loading Apex Dish-A-Matic in the Billings rental) that we'd ever had so who's complaining! I do remember it had an issue with the water level and it would often shut down and then start up again in rapid sequence when operating. Service people never did figure it out. And YES - it was flimsy in the door dept.


Post# 444562 , Reply# 20   6/25/2010 at 22:04 (5,025 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Hey Bill--I didn't know we had another local guy here on the board. A belated welcome to you!

When I was a kid, our first dishwasher was the Montgomery Wards portable version of the subject machine, completely stripped down. Just a knob on the front. Plain white on plain white. I think it was a one-only loss-leader priced at $88 or something and my dad had to fight with the management to sell it to him, as he and I showed up to buy it as soon as the store opened that morning. It was a top loader with a slanted cut to the lid in order to make loading from up front a little easier, I presume. And yeah, it was real loud, but we didn't know any different.

One of these days I'm going to be at Nate's when he's got his all loaded up and ready to "roll" as it were. I'm looking forward to being reminded of what that Wards machine sounded like!

My Thermador is apparently silent by comparison. OMFG!

Ralph


Post# 444563 , Reply# 21   6/25/2010 at 22:18 (5,025 days old) by duet83 ()        
cool DW.

The only Frigidaire DW I had was, as I have learned here, apparently the BOL. It had the same type console, but had a big round knob that stuck out considerably. It worked, though the racks were rusting bad, and as yours shows, the inside was coming off in areas.

It was a built-in and had a wood front, which didn't come with it.

Oh, and yes, as was mentioned, the door was really flimsy. Especially compared to say the D&M made Kenmore of similar year.

Enjoy yours. Those auto-advance timers are so fun. My first was a Kitchenaid KD-16? I think. Then a 1972 LK in coffee brown and portable.

(yes, I know the pic isn't a LK)



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