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Thread Number: 29262
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| Post# 445202 6/28/2010 at 09:00 (5,048 days old) by gmmcnair (Portland, OR) | ||
....I've been living with the Admiralpool now for several months. I figured I'd give an update in case anyone was looking for a budget level machine.
So far, so good...no issues whatsoever. It's definitely going strong and gets daily use. The only thing I don't like is the dumbed down temperatures....I'm finding myself running a lot more "hot" loads than before....they're basically equivalent to "warm" on the older machines. Still, with good detergent, and not overloading it so it shreds, it's a great value...albeit a noisy one. | ||
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Post# 445269 , Reply# 1 6/28/2010 at 14:24 (5,048 days old) by KenmoreGuy64  (Charlotte, NC) |
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I still have mine in boxes. I guess they will be that way for a while.
Mike - Have you had experience with DDs before this one? I am wondering if the washer is noisier than previous generation DDs. Someone said that WP has fairly recently started using lighter weight gearcase oil, I think in part to aid in the neutral drain engagement. A not-so-desirable by product of using lighter oil would be an increased noise level during agitation, etc. I have a practically un-used 1993 DD machine - it would be fun one day if I ever un-box mine to make a comparison. Gordon | ||
| Post# 445285 , Reply# 2 6/28/2010 at 15:27 (5,047 days old) by gmmcnair (Portland, OR) | ||
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Noise Level....
Now that you mention it Gordon, yes, it is noisier than my previous Whirlpool DD.
I attributed that to being a BOL machine rather than a higher end one, but yes, it is quite a bit noisier in agitation. The old one was a bear as far as neutral drain problems too....a problem which seems to have been solved with this model. We shall see once it gets some wear and tear on it. | ||
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Post# 445296 , Reply# 3 6/28/2010 at 16:38 (5,047 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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I think the DDs are the same as the belt-drives in that mechanically inside the cabinets, not much if anything is different between a BOL and a TOL machine.
A TOL DD may have had some sound proofing inside but my 1993 Kenmore 70 does NOT have anything on the cabinet walls or any insulation anywhere else. The machine itself could be mated to a one-knob wonder control panel and nobody would know the difference besides the two-speed motor. In the belt-drives, there was no difference between a 1983 Lady K, for example, and a 1983 100 series one-knob job, inside the cabinet, mechanically. The Lady had extra plumbing for a self-clean filter, for the triple dispenser, and an off-balance relay, but for the motor, transmission, basket drive, pump, etc. - it was all identical. I think the same holds true for most DD machines, however I do think that some later model cabinets were lined a bit with foam or sound insulation? All this is why I was so surprised at the price of the Admirals. They have the same mechanical everything - motors, transmissions, pumps, basket drives, tubs, baskets, you name it, as the four and five-hundred dollar machines. You can't tell me that all that extra money is in the control panels. These Admirals are just uncommonly good values. Gordon | ||
| Post# 445438 , Reply# 4 6/29/2010 at 06:27 (5,047 days old) by davek () | ||
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"These Admirals are just uncommonly good values." Maybe too good. A quick check of Home Depot's page this morning shows only the gas dryer. At that price, it was surely cannibalizing sales from Whirlpool's own Roper and Estate brands. | ||
| Post# 445460 , Reply# 5 6/29/2010 at 08:49 (5,047 days old) by gmmcnair (Portland, OR) | ||
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Interesting... | ||
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Post# 445478 , Reply# 6 6/29/2010 at 09:54 (5,047 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York) |
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Post# 445483 , Reply# 7 6/29/2010 at 09:59 (5,047 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York) |
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| Post# 445581 , Reply# 9 6/29/2010 at 15:06 (5,047 days old) by drewz (Alexandria, Virginia) | ||
Estate Brand | ||
| Post# 445602 , Reply# 10 6/29/2010 at 15:52 (5,046 days old) by davek () | ||
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I'd have dropped Roper over Estate, but they're paying people to know more than I do. | ||
| Post# 446522 , Reply# 11 7/2/2010 at 22:37 (5,043 days old) by spookiness (Alexandria VA) | ||
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Question about Admirpool cycles Whats the difference between "Normal" and "Permanent Press" if I select a 10 min agitation for either? | ||
| Post# 446566 , Reply# 12 7/3/2010 at 04:51 (5,043 days old) by davek () | ||
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It's a matter of agitation and spin speed, and the PP cycle is usually set up to replace some of its wash water without a spin before it does the rinse (the "cool down" rinse). | ||
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Post# 446601 , Reply# 13 7/3/2010 at 10:18 (5,043 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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For sound reduction...even if it already has some form of padding glued to the cabinet......
I alwaysopened the machine up and added either the egg-crate style foam wrapped around the outter tub or used a hot water heater wrap....heavy duty sound was cut down alot, and normal cycle was almost silent unless you walked up on the machine.... My DD Limited Edition machine also had a fiber board covering across the bottom of the machine with foam padding glued to it to reduce noise comming from under the machine, almost an echo effect with out it...could also be made with a simple thin piece of plywood and some padding, cut at certain points to bow and stick in place.....even for the dryer, I slid a piece of drop ceiling fiberglass foam, cut to size, and slide under the cabinet to reduce noise...amazing how quiet you can make these machines yourself....better than the manufacturers! | ||
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Post# 447676 , Reply# 14 7/7/2010 at 18:40 (5,038 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL) |
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Lint Removal
The HD website claims that this washer includes a lint removal system (i.e., "filter"???). Does anyone know if this is actually true? I don't find anything in any version of the Whirlpool top-loading products that references a lint filter. If this information isn't correct, it wouldn't be the first time for the HD website.........
Lawrence | ||
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Post# 447728 , Reply# 16 7/8/2010 at 00:01 (5,038 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Lawrence -
I too was wondering recently about a lint filter in these machines, so I consulted the parts diagram for my Admiral washer in the Sears parts database, and I consulted the same for my 1993 Kenmore DD as well. The 1993 machine clearly shows the presence of a disk lint filter under the wash basket. There is nothing of the sort in the same position in the 2010 Admiral, yet the parts diagrams appear nearly identical (a testament to how unchanged these machines are in many ways). I concluded that there is no lint filter in the Admiral, and I can't find one in many current Whirlpools either (ones that I could remember model numbers for that is). Cost cutting at it's finest folks.... As to the neutral drain causing the linting - nah, they'd have known that in the 1950s if it were the case. Gordon | ||
| Post# 447753 , Reply# 17 7/8/2010 at 01:04 (5,038 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
I think it's possible that neutral drain could leave lint on clothes. Logically, the water is being strained through the clothes on its way out.
That said, I think the real problem could be the non-existent lint filter. I'm using a late 1960s Kenmore which has a manually cleaned filter. It has the best performance I've seen in recent history for lint removal. The worst performance award goes to a 1990s Frigidaire my ex-roommate had. I don't know if it had a lint filter, but my guess is no. Even with a spin drain, clothes had a continual lint problem. I used a dryer more than I liked, simply to get rid of lint on good clothes. Meanwhile, the Kenmore mentioned above is so good that I can air dry everything and it looks more than good enough for my needs. A few years ago, I used a Kenmore DD. Old enough, I'm guessing, to have some sort of lint filtering. I don't really recall much of a lint problem, although from what I remember it did fall short of the older Kenmore. | ||
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Post# 447779 , Reply# 18 7/8/2010 at 07:06 (5,038 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL) |
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Gordon,
If I understood the "technology" correctly, that most-recent version of the filter was a really passive device, so why not keep it? The Dependable Care Maytags were similar, the water flowed up throught the filter during wash and was back-washed as the tub drained. Maybe not the best filtration system, but better than the current (nothing). Most disapointing. Maybe if we all limited our garments to 100% polyester we wouldn't have lint??? Lawrence | ||
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Post# 447865 , Reply# 19 7/8/2010 at 14:57 (5,038 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Lawrence -
Sounds like you understand the technology/theory behind the disk filter. Knowing what I do about manufacturing volume of the DDs, and the cost of plastics, if the part can be eliminated, that saves about couple dollars per machine by the time you take into account part cost and installation labor. With tens of thousands of DDs being made a week, that's a lot of dollars weekly, let alone annually. I have truly never used a washer without a lint filter of some sort - should be interesting to see what I get as I have a few in my future I think. Gordon | ||
| Post# 448106 , Reply# 20 7/9/2010 at 15:23 (5,036 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
Filters
The DD has had various filters over the years. Whirlpool and Kenmore both had agitator mounted filters, the self cleaning filters consisted of a ring that clipped onto the underside of the wash basket, the last version was a black plastic plug looking thing that had 3 or 4 fingers sticking out of it. Sort of like the teeth on a comb. After that the four holes were removed from the wash basket design and all filters are gone.
I sort all clothing according to type, color and fabric. I have never had a linting problem in the direct drive unless the Neutral Drain was malfunctioning. That is true even with the Suds Saver. Clothing that came out of my Calypso on the other hand was also covered in lint. | ||
| Post# 449319 , Reply# 21 7/14/2010 at 22:44 (5,031 days old) by gmmcnair (Portland, OR) | ||
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Hope it isn't too late to answer.... | ||
| Post# 449326 , Reply# 22 7/14/2010 at 23:17 (5,031 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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The lint filters for WP DD machines are no longer available. Instead you buy a kit that contains little rubber plugs to plug up the holes that were used by the filter. | ||
| Post# 456680 , Reply# 23 8/13/2010 at 08:01 (5,002 days old) by drewz (Alexandria, Virginia) | ||
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New Admiral Logo-Image? | ||
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