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New line of Kenmore dishwashers... |
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Post# 447324 , Reply# 1   7/6/2010 at 00:36 (5,042 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 447354 , Reply# 2   7/6/2010 at 07:56 (5,041 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 447381 , Reply# 3   7/6/2010 at 11:32 (5,041 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 447388 , Reply# 4   7/6/2010 at 11:51 (5,041 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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LG's don't have exposed heating elements, and their models all have self-cleaning filters. I doubt whichever corporate parent owns the rights to the Turbo-Zone feature would let LG co-opt it.
Those are two features of LG dishwashers that I like. In fact, I use the 160-degree rinse a lot these days, because it doesn't add 20 minutes to the cycle, as it did with my Maytag and Frigidaire machines. The elements in LG's heat the water very quickly----wherever they're hidden. I'll put my money on them being Whirlpool-made. |
Post# 447472 , Reply# 5   7/6/2010 at 18:44 (5,041 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 447494 , Reply# 6   7/6/2010 at 19:56 (5,041 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Post# 447497 , Reply# 7   7/6/2010 at 20:00 (5,041 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Post# 447513 , Reply# 8   7/6/2010 at 20:57 (5,041 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 447562 , Reply# 9   7/7/2010 at 07:04 (5,041 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Post# 447700 , Reply# 10   7/7/2010 at 21:48 (5,040 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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A dishwasher in my house gets very heavy use, and I'm not always diligent about scraping dishes thoroughly, so the manual-clean filter is a deal-breaker for me. I'd be emptying it constantly.
I'll trade the decibel-or-two reduction in noise for a self-cleaning filter every time. My LG (which has a self-cleaning filter) is super quiet; can barely hear it running. |
Post# 447742 , Reply# 12   7/8/2010 at 00:34 (5,040 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 447770 , Reply# 13   7/8/2010 at 06:07 (5,040 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 447771 , Reply# 14   7/8/2010 at 06:12 (5,040 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 447940 , Reply# 16   7/8/2010 at 23:12 (5,039 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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2 hours and 52 minutes for a single cycle!?!?! My 4 year old Ge TT has a speed cycle that cleans in 32 minutes, and normal cycle might take 50. 3 hours is ridiculous! |
Post# 447945 , Reply# 17   7/8/2010 at 23:24 (5,039 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Post# 447960 , Reply# 18   7/8/2010 at 23:52 (5,039 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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8 HOURS? That sounds reasonable to me! |
Post# 447995 , Reply# 19   7/9/2010 at 04:18 (5,039 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 448000 , Reply# 20   7/9/2010 at 05:36 (5,039 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 448002 , Reply# 21   7/9/2010 at 06:16 (5,039 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Post# 448012 , Reply# 22   7/9/2010 at 07:33 (5,038 days old) by cwheeler ()   |   | |
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Hm. Even from seeing that cool picture, I'm still not sold on how well this thing will actually clean...it looks like more novelty than function...I do think more than 5 or so jets of water might be needed.... |
Post# 448020 , Reply# 23   7/9/2010 at 07:56 (5,038 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 448050 , Reply# 25   7/9/2010 at 11:14 (5,038 days old) by cwheeler ()   |   | |
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RE563, That's really interesting - are the holes in the arm smaller, like the old-school Maytags? |
Post# 448062 , Reply# 26   7/9/2010 at 12:07 (5,038 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 448089 , Reply# 27   7/9/2010 at 14:35 (5,038 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 448105 , Reply# 28   7/9/2010 at 15:14 (5,038 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Post# 448166 , Reply# 29   7/9/2010 at 21:06 (5,038 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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A bit misleading Json if I may be so bold to state. Of all the Whirlpool produced versions (Kenmore, Kenmore Elite, KitchenAid, Maytag et. al), Whirlpool features the Soak & Scub option--this is a 4-hour cycle whikch periodically sprays soapy water on the dishload (kind of like the enzyme soak on Kenore washer where it agitated for 15 seconds every 10 minutes). Afterr this Soak & Scrub option is finished, then it could go into the Pots 'n' Pan cycle with every option--high temp wash, sani rinse, and heated dry. That alone will be almost 3 hours or so based upon my 3 year old Kenmore Elite.
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Post# 448167 , Reply# 30   7/9/2010 at 21:07 (5,038 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)   |   | |
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cwheeler:
The "holes" are actually slits, like those currently on the Kenmore Ultra Wash HE. and my spray arms are the same "S" shape. This is why I asked the question to Sugilator. I also noticed that when Kenmore came out with the Ultra Wash HE that Bosch went from having the six jets they went to having 10 like on the Kenmore. |
Post# 448171 , Reply# 31   7/9/2010 at 21:22 (5,038 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 448196 , Reply# 32   7/9/2010 at 22:19 (5,038 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Wrong Bob. This is the new machine with the new programming and a new wash system. Not the same old 3 year old Tall Tub.
It can take up to 8 hours for the dishwasher to complete the cycle depending upon incoming water temp, soil load, load size and options selected. Such as the following combination: Pots/Pans + Power Scour(Turbo Zone) + Sani Rinse + Heated Dry + low incoming water temp. This is for informational purposes regarding customer instruct calls on dishwasher operation. As a reminder: The selling dealer is responsible for the cost of any service calls that result in customer instruction in the use or operation of the appliance. For 90 days after the date of purchase, Whirlpool will pay for warranty service calls performed (by other than the selling service company), which result in a customer receiving instruction....... Therefor, Bob, since we don't get paid to instruct the customer, you learn the quirks for the appliance before you run a call, explain that something is normal and then loose money because the manufacturer won't pay you and neither will the customer. This post was last edited 07/09/2010 at 22:47 |
Post# 448200 , Reply# 33   7/9/2010 at 23:16 (5,038 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Those videos are so sad......"New and Improved"! LOL!! |
Post# 448202 , Reply# 34   7/9/2010 at 23:19 (5,038 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 448232 , Reply# 35   7/10/2010 at 02:38 (5,038 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Isn't there some point at which the dishwasher's heating phase will time out? The tech sheet for the Whirlpool GU3600XTVY2 states that the thermal hold in the main wash will time out after 55 (Pots/Pans) or 35 minutes (all other cycles). It's 45 minutes for the final rinse.
And I though Whirlpool's and Miele's Extra Silent cycles were long at 4+ hours... |
Post# 448255 , Reply# 36   7/10/2010 at 08:46 (5,037 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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I believe there is a time out. I think the the added length of the cycle has to do with the calibration of the sensors. Under normal conditions I don't think an 8 hour cycle is going to happen unless it's the very first load or after a predetermined amount of cycles have been run where it will recalibrate again. I think it is something like 213 loads before it does an auto recal. I'm not looking at the manual so I could be way off on that.
They also give you a chart of when to clean the filter depending upon soil and use. I have a feeling they will revise that in time as more people complain. |
Post# 448300 , Reply# 37   7/10/2010 at 13:29 (5,037 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)   |   | |
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surgilator_68 :
One more question. I'm really interested in getting the Kenmore Ultra Wash HE 13123. Do you have access to the timing chart on that model? if so you can e-mail it to me, but if not then the question becomes, at the beginning of each cycle, is there a pumpout/drain and for how long or does it just start with a fill for prewash? |
Post# 448302 , Reply# 38   7/10/2010 at 13:41 (5,037 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Robert, there's no initial pump out.
I've attached a link to the user manual so you can see estimated cycle times. CLICK HERE TO GO TO appnut's LINK |
Post# 448312 , Reply# 39   7/10/2010 at 15:01 (5,037 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)   |   | |
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Thanks Appnut:
I've looked through the manual. I asked because in my manual for my bosch it has a cycle chart similar to what's in the manual. Mine makes no mention of an initial pump/out drain, but it does one for 15 seconds before it start's to fill for the soil purge at the very beginning of the cycle. So since these wash systems are based off of European types, I thought maybe the Ultra Wash HE did the same. |
Post# 448372 , Reply# 42   7/10/2010 at 22:46 (5,037 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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A couple of points of interest on the new line. Only the top model, thus far future available, has Quick Rinse (or Rinse & Hold). The rest of the new line doesn't . The top two models have Smart Dry, which also includes FAN ASSISTED drying!!! I'm still not convinced about normal wash temp being 105 degrees and high-temp wash option being 120 degrees can be effective. And with phosphates ging away... There's gonna have to be more enzymes put in detergents since they do better at lower temps.
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Post# 448415 , Reply# 44   7/11/2010 at 08:14 (5,036 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Lower wash temps: The "Quick" cycle on my LG uses a 104 degree wash, so I'm not surprised to learn that lower temps have moved into "Normal" cycles.
You'll notice in the top photo in Reply #26 (thanks for the links, Logixx) there is a "High Temp" option as well as a "Sani Rinse" option. I'm assuming the high temp setting boosts the wash temp to 120-140 degrees. Leslie---glad to know someone else is getting good results with the new phosphate-free Cascade products in soft water. And as with other major changes in product formulation, the chemists at Cascade will probably be tweaking the formula to make it work better in hard water over the next few months. |
Post# 448418 , Reply# 45   7/11/2010 at 08:20 (5,036 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 448429 , Reply# 46   7/11/2010 at 10:08 (5,036 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 448435 , Reply# 47   7/11/2010 at 10:38 (5,036 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Same in Europe: the wash temps for the Energy Saving cycle (which has to remove spinach, milk, tea, ground meat and egg dried onto the dishes at 176°F) usually runs at 113 or 122°F. Bosch/Siemens (Europe) recently introduced their "Eco Pots&Pans" cycle that runs the main wash at 113°F. They say it's intended to be used with the newest generation of detergents from Somat or Finish that will clean / are activated even in 104°F water.
Am wondering where that Steam Sanitize option went. With the heating element almost touching the bottom of the tub, it would be easy to just fill some water in the sump and then start heating. Thanks for running that super-heavy P&P, magic_clean. Was just looking at some Bosch/Siemens dishwasher (our Euro versions) and their 158°F Intensive cycle runs 2:20 hrs with sani rinse. I wonder what exactly causes that four hour cycle. Alex |
Post# 448597 , Reply# 49   7/11/2010 at 23:40 (5,036 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Alex What versions of DW detergents from Somat and Finish are designed to clean at 104F or 113F? |
Post# 448608 , Reply# 50   7/12/2010 at 00:58 (5,036 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 448626 , Reply# 51   7/12/2010 at 04:34 (5,036 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Leslie,
I see, thanks. I suppose these dishwashers would be a lot faster if they could have more powerful heating elements. Our sanitary rinse just takes 15 minutes. Jerrod, Somat 7 and Somat 9 have a "Low Temperature Activator" claim right on the front of the box. It says "Thanks to the low-temp activator you can clean your dishes at 40°C, which is gentle on your dishes and glasses whilst saving energy." Bosch/Siemens "recommends" (= promotes) Finish All-in-1 and Quantum. |
Post# 448640 , Reply# 52   7/12/2010 at 07:33 (5,035 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 448930 , Reply# 53   7/13/2010 at 13:10 (5,034 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I have not seen SOMAT 7 or 9 available for the USA, but I do use Finish All-in 1 and Quantum. Do these detergents in the EU contain phosphates? |
Post# 449067 , Reply# 54   7/14/2010 at 01:56 (5,034 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 449391 , Reply# 56   7/15/2010 at 06:48 (5,033 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 450122 , Reply# 58   7/17/2010 at 21:09 (5,030 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 451183 , Reply# 59   7/22/2010 at 18:57 (5,025 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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The Frigidaire Imperial and Custom Imperial as well as the Montgomery Ward dishwashers from the late 60'6 through to 1978 prior to the WCI tyakeover had the original smaller spray arm on the main one. The GE dishwashers had a seperate arm just beneath the silverware basket.Same idea just a different location.I had both the Frigidaire Custom Imperial and the Montgomery Ward Signature top of the line models and they worked great but had a lot of issues. both units were convertible and I actualy built in the MW model.They both would get so hot and cause the wooden chopping block top to warp.The doors were real flimsy and would also get out of line and need to be either adjusted or replaced. The repairmen hated me!I used the Frigidaire for two years until it got infested with cockroaches that nested in the insolation.The MW was left at the house I rented real cheap in Fells Point,Baltimore,MD. for 5 years. There, I also had a Custom Imperial Jet Action 1-18 washer and gas dryer in Harvest gold and an old Amana bottom freezer refrigerator.The gas stove was a neat O'Keefe and Merrit that had the burners straight across and two huge ovens!That house was caticornerd to "Devine's" thrift store named "Pink Flamingos" where I visited daily and went thrifting with "Devine" hundreds of times.We'd hit the ally ways on Friday night around midnight with flashlights and grab whataever we thought was of any value.One night, he found a pair of mink stoles and a full length chincilla coat!!! Realy miss going out with "her".
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