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Thread Number: 29578
1966 Maytag's First Power-Fin Agitator |
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| Post# 449561 7/15/2010 at 20:28 (5,026 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Does anyone have any these earlier designed power fin agitator...spare and or extra? | ||
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| Post# 449566 , Reply# 1 7/15/2010 at 20:48 (5,026 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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oops!...any of these... | ||
| Post# 449674 , Reply# 2 7/16/2010 at 03:53 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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original power fin agitators for deep tub washers...anyone? | ||
Post# 449693 , Reply# 3 7/16/2010 at 07:29 (5,025 days old) by gansky1  (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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All gone... | ||
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Post# 449706 , Reply# 4 7/16/2010 at 08:16 (5,025 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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While we're at it...
Were those first turquoise Power Fins like the agitators on the A702's that had that baffle underneath the agitator that diverted water from inside the column where the lint filter sat down into the bottom of the tubs?
Also, those small lumpy vanes in between the vanes, did they do anything or were they just "there"? 
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Post# 449717 , Reply# 5 7/16/2010 at 09:06 (5,025 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Ken, Is this a reference to Lumpy Rutherford? | ||
| Post# 449830 , Reply# 6 7/16/2010 at 16:08 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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well I mean this style... If I am not seeing things, these 'flexible fins' of this 1966 blue-turqoise power fin look NARROWER than the later and last style. (My 1985 A712 fin edge is 2 3/8"H) 
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Post# 449832 , Reply# 7 7/16/2010 at 16:22 (5,025 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 449833 , Reply# 8 7/16/2010 at 16:27 (5,025 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Where's the rest of that brochure?? | ||
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Post# 449834 , Reply# 9 7/16/2010 at 16:28 (5,025 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 449835 , Reply# 10 7/16/2010 at 16:30 (5,025 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 449836 , Reply# 11 7/16/2010 at 16:31 (5,025 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 449844 , Reply# 12 7/16/2010 at 17:36 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Here is also another 1966 Maytag Washer brochure... this one has a revised blue-turqoise power fin agitator I'd like to have. These are some scans of thus brochure. This the front page... 
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| Post# 449847 , Reply# 13 7/16/2010 at 17:44 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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906 washer 
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| Post# 449848 , Reply# 14 7/16/2010 at 17:46 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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906 dryer...notice the agitator is referred to the "new power fin agitator" 
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| Post# 449850 , Reply# 15 7/16/2010 at 17:49 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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components I 
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| Post# 449851 , Reply# 16 7/16/2010 at 17:52 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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components II 
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| Post# 449852 , Reply# 17 7/16/2010 at 17:54 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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there are more scans but, this is last page. 
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Post# 449866 , Reply# 18 7/16/2010 at 19:34 (5,025 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Great scans Greg! | ||
| Post# 449870 , Reply# 19 7/16/2010 at 19:47 (5,025 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449875 , Reply# 20 7/16/2010 at 20:05 (5,025 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Soooo, what about the '66 new power fin agitator? | ||
| Post# 449903 , Reply# 21 7/16/2010 at 22:56 (5,024 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Awesome Scans! Thanks guys! I did not see anything on the Gas dryers. What the the BTU's for the Gas Halo of Heat Dryers? Thanks Brent | ||
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Post# 449908 , Reply# 22 7/16/2010 at 23:15 (5,024 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Gas! Careful, you'll upset Jean... | ||
| Post# 449914 , Reply# 23 7/16/2010 at 23:53 (5,024 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Thanks anyway Greg, appreciate the scans and of the other power fin. | ||
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Post# 449948 , Reply# 24 7/17/2010 at 06:57 (5,024 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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OK Tom, I'll bite | ||
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Post# 449954 , Reply# 25 7/17/2010 at 07:17 (5,024 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Post# 450023 , Reply# 26 7/17/2010 at 13:53 (5,024 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 450042 , Reply# 28 7/17/2010 at 14:50 (5,024 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I know the results of overloading....but it's just the issue when it comes to these machines "lasting" so long....every repairman I have ever come across say the same thing....under normal conditions, these machines will "give in" to the load to spare the machine, the concern is not doing it "job", but to save the machine from wear and tear....a good thought in one way, but the thought of a machine holding out on cleaning clothes for which it was designed doesn't seem right....
thats why I think the lid switch was designed to shut off the whole machine when the lid is opened, so you never see what is really happening...outside of the safety factor... Most other machines out there operated with the lid open, you can see results of the wash action..... unfortunately, Maytags will give in to a full load of water with no clothes in it, may not be much but there is slippage on the belt, I have tested this many times by applying extra pressure or an extra spring to the motor, then the speed picks up.... don't get me wrong, Maytags are nice machines, I have a few, but for heavy duty use, I would tend to stick to a GE FF.....then onto a kenmore/whirlpool....but I think this leads more to a tightened belt compared to one on a spring tension, designed to slip in place of a clutch...pros and cons in both cases.... | ||
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Post# 450080 , Reply# 29 7/17/2010 at 17:05 (5,024 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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The flexible fins were a supposed to be bit easier on the clothes and compensate for heavy loads compared to the black Gyrafoam action, especially for the larger, deeper tub in the extra-capacity washers. Whirlpool experimented with stationary fins on their large capacity machines and nicknamed them the "Golden Gobbler" for how it ripped up fabrics in lare loads. The agitator strokes-per-minute actually went UP (9 per minute more) with the change to the Powerfin. The sliding motor & belt-clutch system takes the strain on the machine from overloading, etc. I had someone call once that said they crammed a queen size comforter in their standard capacity 'Tag (1977 408) and for some odd reason now the washer wouldn't spin. I suggested they take out the comforter, cut it in half and then try again. (to the coin laundry with that!) Once they got that out of the washer, it worked perfectly for another 7 years until the timer went out.
For a short time, Maytag made the BOL WashPower washers with the black bakelite and slower stroke, eventually changing over to all Power-Fin. | ||
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Post# 450094 , Reply# 30 7/17/2010 at 18:32 (5,024 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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The eleventh commandment.
We could start another whole thread on this topic but of all the vintage top loaders I've ever experienced, Maytags suffer more than any other from overloading. You CANNOT deviate from the prescribed loading without losing rollover and noticeably straining the works. I've always been surprised and suspicious that CU never seemed to notice this.
You could even overload a rollermatic and the machine would just go on its merry way and those clothes would move, if just up and down, but they'd move. And with a Filter-flo, fuggeddabouddit. 
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| Post# 450110 , Reply# 31 7/17/2010 at 19:01 (5,024 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
unfortunately, Maytags will give in to a full load of water with no clothes in it, may not be much but there is slippage on the belt, I have tested this many times by applying extra pressure or an extra spring to the motor, then the speed picks up....
One or more of the following will cause belt slippage in Maytags: Weak carriage springs Worn rollers/guides Lack of polylube for rollers/glides Pump belt adjusted too tight/Excessive pump bearing friction from lack of lubrication (the pump requires periodic oiling intervals) Thick transmission oil .....And the #1 reason, upper shaft binding due to thickened oil (there's no oil flow up there) After overhauling the trans in my '75 HA806, I adjusted the max water setting even with the lower portion of the lint filter. Overloaded the tub with towels and let 'er rip. Watched the agitation for a couple of minutes to get the rhythm down, then jammed the motor backwards with the back of my heel. No change in agitation speed. Proceeded to do it several more times and with no noticeable change, except the motor grew several times louder when it was jammed backwards. Did that with my '74 806 and the trans agitation would speed up. I was expecting that since the agitation is a little sluggish. Since the machine has new belts, glides, springs with everything adjusted properly and lubed up, it's trans rebuild time. Yep, she's next on the list. It appears I need to drag the camera out for some video proof of the above :) | ||
| Post# 450113 , Reply# 33 7/17/2010 at 20:16 (5,024 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Hey Martin, Dan, Greg, guys check out this article about Maytag "NEW GENERATION WASHERS" with the new Power-Fin Agitator. It explains the purpose of the flexible fins and it's ability. You'll need to ZOOM IN to read it clearer. Harry 
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Post# 450175 , Reply# 35 7/18/2010 at 06:18 (5,023 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Harry, thanks for posting that old ad, haven't seen that, literally, in 43 years.
Yours is my point exactly: most of the people who do the Maytag thing, have at some point, in some way, tinkered with their machines to beef performance up a bit. If one uses the machine as manufactured, one has to load as instructed, only up to the top row of holes and without stuffing or compacting the load. Another issue is that the wash and rinse times are stingy, if that rollover doesn't get started early, especially in the two minute deep rinse, ain't going to happen. The only tinkering I will ever do with Filter-flo's is to replace those idiotic straight vane activators, whenever and wherever I see them, with spiral ramp ones. I've seen GE's move loads of clothes that are close to their "claimed" capacities. | ||
| Post# 450260 , Reply# 37 7/18/2010 at 17:31 (5,023 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Guys, I never read anything about the power fin agiator being too hard on clothes. I'm experiencing some tearing in the laundry, what's going on? | ||
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Post# 450282 , Reply# 38 7/18/2010 at 18:22 (5,023 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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the only problem I ever see in machines like this, is the fins are at the bottom only, they have to produce all the work, even some kenmores are the same....not to compare apples and oranges, but GE FF and whirlpool have vanes that come all the way to the top, and somewhat performs cleaning at all levels....
wether the powerfin is white, turquoise, or black...Maytag has never changed, theres nothing to compare it to, like GE, Whirlpool and Kenmore, you can switch different agitators out, to see a difference in performance and turnover....UNTIL NOW!!! WHY, is that a GE straight vane in a Maytag?....say it isn't so!.....try a GE ramp rotoswirl or even a Surgilator.... curious aren't you? 
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| Post# 450300 , Reply# 39 7/18/2010 at 19:20 (5,023 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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Martin, how was you able to attch the GE straight vane to a Maytag agitator shaft? Is that a straight 6 or 8 vane? | ||
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Post# 450304 , Reply# 40 7/18/2010 at 19:30 (5,023 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 450318 , Reply# 41 7/18/2010 at 19:59 (5,023 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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LOL! Calgon. That's the same agitator used in the commerical. Tell us about, please? Martin, you know what I noticed when you removed the lint filter in the power fin agitator, the circulating water in the barrel causes extra suction that helps force the clothes faster downward into the fins. | ||
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Post# 450326 , Reply# 42 7/18/2010 at 20:15 (5,023 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Simpler than you think......
and your gonna say "Why didn't I think of that!"
well here goes..... I had a loadsensor agitator which the spiral internals were broke beyond repair.....so I removed the spiral and all the internals, left me with a short center post, had to cut off the powerfins from the bottom.... re-installed into the machine and tightened down the screw.....then tried several agitators over top, with three small screws to hold it in place...and presto! I used Surgilator first, then the GE straight vane, but the GE ramp works best and has the best turnover in this machine... what you have to consider is Maytags a little slower than a GE, but the stroke is longer...every third stroke backwards caused one complete revolution of the clothes in the tub, on a normal load, full water level What do you think Harry? | ||
| Post# 450442 , Reply# 43 7/19/2010 at 08:10 (5,022 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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COOL!!! | ||
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Post# 450445 , Reply# 44 7/19/2010 at 08:19 (5,022 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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MT POWER FINN AGITATORS
The PF agitator can be very hard on clothes especially if loaded heavily. When CRs tested 1 speed washers to see if you really needed to spend the extra money on a two speed model the MT was the only washer in the test that put runs in the sheer curtain panels they used for testing. Check out the report some one down loaded it on this site within the last year.Thats the reason I don't use MT washers as ever day machines they just use too much water for the amount of clothing that can be safely washed in them. I do love them for the history and will have more than 10 machines in the warehouse restored from the first AMP-the last electronic stack gas washer-dryer.
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Post# 450556 , Reply# 47 7/19/2010 at 19:07 (5,022 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Yes, overloading, or a heavy load in any machine will cause the tearing of clothing.....
but properly loaded, meaning clothes circulate, they sink and then re-appear, you can keep adding clothes until this slows down, but if the rollover stops, you have added too much... just in the back of my mind knowing that a Maytag will give in to a load, it's just something I would not fill above 2/3rds with dry clothing, just to be sure its getting the best possible wash, even though I would be so-called wasting water...but these machines are not my daily drivers, just for the fun of drama to watch, if I wanted to do a heavy load, I would either choose a GE FF or a FL | ||
| Post# 450572 , Reply# 48 7/19/2010 at 20:43 (5,022 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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WOW!!! SO DIAPPOINTED...See I was totally unaware that Maytag washers were hard on clothes.
Meh, take combos opinion with a grain of salt. I have 50 year old towels that have been washed in nothing but long stroke Maytags and they show little wear. I personally have 17 year old clothes that only show wear and tear from use, not washings. My grandmother owned nothing but Maytags for 45+ years (her last was a late 60's HA/HDE806 that she left behind in her recent move). My grandfather was still wearing clothes from the 60's/70's when he passed away in 2001 (gotta love the depression era folks). Yep, spent the majority of their life being washed in that HA806 washer. However, Grandma was not a stuffer and all of her Maytags were 2 speeds, so that probably helped the gentle items last longer. She was a chronic cold water washer though. Luckily, I've actually made some recent progress in that department and she has been delighted with the results. She did immediately regret leaving the 806's behind after a few loads in the Kenmore DD washer. She complained about it being very harsh on the clothes and didn't come out as clean as the 806. She did mention that the lint filter for the dryer is a little easier to clean and install on the Kenmore vs. the HDE806 HOH dryer. What was the reason she left the 806's behind, you ask? She wanted a washer/dryer in white.....so they could be hidden behind closet doors in the laundry area 
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| Post# 450594 , Reply# 50 7/19/2010 at 22:18 (5,022 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi) | ||
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You really must do 2/3 full of clothes or less. I'd rather "waste" a little water than waste my clothes. These machines just can't clean too big of a load. I could work with that. They ARE the BEST in quality and longevity and are very gentle when used properly! | ||
| Post# 450602 , Reply# 51 7/19/2010 at 23:24 (5,021 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 450604 , Reply# 52 7/19/2010 at 23:32 (5,021 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi) | ||
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That's because you loosely load to the top. The 2/3 rule is general and depends on the fabric. Most people will HAVE to follow it since few load loosely. Of course, most on this site likely load their clothes very well! | ||
| Post# 450739 , Reply# 53 7/20/2010 at 17:06 (5,021 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
most on this site likely load their clothes very well! | ||
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Post# 450866 , Reply# 54 7/21/2010 at 07:42 (5,020 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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WASHER PERFORMANCE
Dan I don't appreciate your discounting my nearly 40 years experience in working directly with tens of thousands of customers and thier experiences with thier machines performance. I have tried to Email you directly about this and other offensive quips and the Email address on your profile won't work, please Email me when you get a chance. Thanks your friend John.
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| Post# 451035 , Reply# 55 7/21/2010 at 22:37 (5,020 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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John,
I'm not discounting what you have said, I'm just saying that your comments are not what my family, who has been running long stroke Maytags for a combined 75+ years, have experienced. As stated earlier, I have 50 year old towels and sheets that have seen nothing but Maytag fins and they're not torn nor shredded. It's very difficult to argue with 50 years worth of tangible evidence sitting in my linen closest and 20 years of clothing in my dresser drawers. Respectfully yours, Dan | ||
| Post# 451096 , Reply# 57 7/22/2010 at 09:08 (5,019 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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5 minutes? Is that for your large loads as well? How much detergent you guys use for each water level size...SMALL to LARGE for the Maytags? | ||
| Post# 451115 , Reply# 58 7/22/2010 at 11:59 (5,019 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
Load time | ||
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Post# 451134 , Reply# 59 7/22/2010 at 14:29 (5,019 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 451188 , Reply# 60 7/22/2010 at 19:12 (5,019 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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WASH TIMES | ||
| Post# 451204 , Reply# 61 7/22/2010 at 21:46 (5,019 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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I agree! I want my stuff clean. | ||
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Post# 451289 , Reply# 62 7/23/2010 at 12:20 (5,018 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ) |
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The enzymes in the detergent are all done after 5 minutes anyway. I'll give a load of jeans 7 minutes or so. The only load I wash for a full 10 minutes is white underwear. That way the enzymes are done by the time I add the bleach at the 4 minute mark. Ken D. | ||
| Post# 451309 , Reply# 63 7/23/2010 at 13:37 (5,018 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Enzymes | ||
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Post# 451321 , Reply# 64 7/23/2010 at 14:25 (5,018 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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