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Thread Number: 29580
The Pile coughs up another wonderful find... |
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| Post# 449617 7/15/2010 at 23:56 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
YAY!!! I finally got to spend a little time decompressing by working on a new find, courtesy of 'The Pile'. And what a find!
A 1969 Kenmore washer. 24" wide and a BOL, no less! What a beaut. Keep in mind as you view these pictures that this is as I got it. No cleaning required! 110.S6704112W00 01671 C910 
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| Post# 449618 , Reply# 1 7/15/2010 at 23:57 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449621 , Reply# 2 7/16/2010 at 00:01 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449623 , Reply# 3 7/16/2010 at 00:02 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Moneyshot! | ||
| Post# 449625 , Reply# 4 7/16/2010 at 00:05 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449627 , Reply# 5 7/16/2010 at 00:06 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Upskirt shot... | ||
| Post# 449628 , Reply# 6 7/16/2010 at 00:08 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Time to strut her stuff... | ||
| Post# 449629 , Reply# 7 7/16/2010 at 00:09 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449632 , Reply# 8 7/16/2010 at 00:11 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Here we go! | ||
| Post# 449633 , Reply# 9 7/16/2010 at 00:12 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449634 , Reply# 10 7/16/2010 at 00:13 (5,027 days old) by duet83 () | ||
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WOW Awesome It is like brand new, and 2 speed at that. I can still hear the Sears delivery van driving away. Complete with SEARS lettering on the side. 
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| Post# 449635 , Reply# 11 7/16/2010 at 00:14 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449636 , Reply# 12 7/16/2010 at 00:15 (5,027 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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wow!! that thing is clean!!-it's like new! looks like a delco motor in it? | ||
| Post# 449638 , Reply# 13 7/16/2010 at 00:20 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Here we go, pt.2 | ||
| Post# 449639 , Reply# 14 7/16/2010 at 00:21 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449640 , Reply# 15 7/16/2010 at 00:24 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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| Post# 449643 , Reply# 16 7/16/2010 at 00:30 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Sssooooo, what was wrong with her, you ask?
What could possibly cause someone (who OBVIOUSLY took care of her) to send this one to her death? Just a water valve. The cold side diaphram was stuck open so it would fill uncontrollably, even when unplugged.
I admit that I actually IMPROVED this washer by using a Maytag water valve. Is there anything that the 205613 water valve won't fit?!? Here's the old one. 
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| Post# 449645 , Reply# 17 7/16/2010 at 00:35 (5,027 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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Her future fate...
A home has been found for this little one. It didn't take very long... Our good friend in Charlotte fell in love with the preview pics I sent him and is quite happy to adopt her. Even more interesting is that he actually doesn't have a ton of 24"ers already and this will be his first well running example. A match made in Heaven? All I know is yet another escapes the clutches of The Pile.
RCD | ||
Post# 449670 , Reply# 18 7/16/2010 at 02:41 (5,027 days old) by rp2813  (Sannazay) |
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What a Beautiful and Well Cared-For Machine!
On thing is for certain. The former owner is going to miss this machine terribly. I don't care how well she may take care of the one that replaced it, it's not going to last her for 40 years like this one did.
Too bad she had to let it go for such an easy fix. The good news is that the machine has found a safe home. Not even remotely pile material. Another awesome save by Andy! Yay! | ||
| Post# 449671 , Reply# 19 7/16/2010 at 03:19 (5,027 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Drew, I feel like a time traveler. Please E-mail some pic's to Sears, I fear they have forgotten what their products were like at one time. Thank you for the vid and pic's alr2903 | ||
| Post# 449673 , Reply# 20 7/16/2010 at 03:44 (5,027 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 449688 , Reply# 21 7/16/2010 at 06:24 (5,027 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Awesome! | ||
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Post# 449694 , Reply# 22 7/16/2010 at 07:31 (5,027 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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It's not a pile - it's a cornucopia! | ||
| Post# 449701 , Reply# 23 7/16/2010 at 08:02 (5,027 days old) by blondie () | ||
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It is so pretty Congratulations! I wish they made appliances as pretty as they used to. | ||
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Post# 449704 , Reply# 24 7/16/2010 at 08:09 (5,027 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 449720 , Reply# 25 7/16/2010 at 09:14 (5,026 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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"I don't care how well she may take care of the one that replaced it, it's not going to last her for 40 years like this one did." After having had a machine for 40 years, she is probably not going to live long enough to need a machine to last another 40 years. Think about it. | ||
| Post# 449722 , Reply# 26 7/16/2010 at 09:23 (5,026 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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You pretty much nailed it, Tom!
When I help sell new machines, a common question is 'How long might this one last compared to my old one?' I'll honestly tell them 'Probably not as long as the old one. Say maybe 4-8 years give or take.' to which the older customers usually say 'Well, I guess it doesn't matter since it'll outlast me and then the kids will have to deal with it...'
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| Post# 449725 , Reply# 27 7/16/2010 at 09:36 (5,026 days old) by washernoob () | ||
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WOW That is stunning! Its just perfect in every way! Congrats on a sweet find! | ||
| Post# 449747 , Reply# 28 7/16/2010 at 10:59 (5,026 days old) by best-cleaning () | ||
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Wow! What beautiful. Looks new! | ||
| Post# 449749 , Reply# 29 7/16/2010 at 11:02 (5,026 days old) by westingman123 () | ||
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sweeeeet Now THAT is a Kenmore. And it's great to see your post, Andy. I missed you and that pile that burps forth such goodies! | ||
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Post# 449753 , Reply# 30 7/16/2010 at 11:26 (5,026 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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WOW Andy, such a neat machine. As I told you on the tele, I would never describe a washer as 'cute' until I saw this one.
You have some pretty great water pressure there, don't you? I don't see a belt-drive fill so fast that it leaves circular current in the tub very often (we had that in Denver). What brand of detergent is that? I've wondered that in your other posts too. Can't get over that machine - the pump is clearly original and it sounds and looks great. That big burp of water at the start of agitation is a good sign of machine health, in that the agitator has had a big air pocket trapped underneath it, indicating that the center seals are in good shape. Later BDs had a weep hole in the agitator to prevent these splashy burps. To what you said - that agitator means business. I have it in a couple 29-inch machines, and though their tubs are a bit wider, the currents and turn-over in those machines is wonderful. They don't like a full load of 'body-sheet' sized towels and jeans much, but they are great for most anything else except on lower water levels. WAY too much splashing at high-speed. Gordon | ||
| Post# 449755 , Reply# 31 7/16/2010 at 11:36 (5,026 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Hi Andy.......Such Kenmore Perfection
The placing of the tape and the lifting of the hood was done was such reverence, it gave me shivers, and the the close-up action shots are standard RCD perfection, esp 7, 8 & 9--I LOVED them. The fill currents in # 7 was especially interesting and unique.
So glad the "Rescued from the Pile Chronicles" are back from hiatus. Keith (Westingman) said it all. Had to be a sweet little old lady with granny glasses, a white bun of hair, in a rocking chair, knitting, who owned that gem. Thank you for the vast Friday luncheon treat. | ||
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Post# 449756 , Reply# 32 7/16/2010 at 11:42 (5,026 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Very Nice! The former owner obviously took great pride in their possesions for it to be so well preserved. Glad it's going to such a good new home. What does the "S" in the model number mean? | ||
| Post# 449760 , Reply# 33 7/16/2010 at 11:49 (5,026 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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| Post# 449771 , Reply# 34 7/16/2010 at 12:46 (5,026 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 449794 , Reply# 35 7/16/2010 at 14:35 (5,026 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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| Post# 449796 , Reply# 36 7/16/2010 at 14:35 (5,026 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Cool Down Sequence | ||
| Post# 449817 , Reply# 37 7/16/2010 at 15:29 (5,026 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Judging from the condition of the machine and especially the control panel, the owner didn't use Spray N' Wash. A known killer of control panel graphics. What a machine! Really can't be told from new. I am very glad you found a nice home for it! | ||
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Post# 449826 , Reply# 38 7/16/2010 at 15:47 (5,026 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 449861 , Reply# 39 7/16/2010 at 18:40 (5,026 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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I think she looks quite stylish for being BOL. Happy that she found a new home. | ||
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Post# 449864 , Reply# 40 7/16/2010 at 19:10 (5,026 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Post# 449867 , Reply# 41 7/16/2010 at 19:44 (5,026 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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24" BB KM WASHER
Great little washer save I am glad Gordon is getting this one now I won't have to worry about mine disappearing when Gordon visits. I have the slightly more deluxe version of this machine with the self cleaning , infinite water levels and 5 water temp combos. Your machine would actually have warm rinses on the hot and warm settings. The best inlet valve to use on this machine is the WP PT # 258277 this is the yellow colored valve. This has no flow restrictor unlike the MT inlet valve that was installed, both valves are the same quality. They are both made on the same assembly line by Dole a divisor of Eaton corp. The reason a washer occasionally lasts this long is a combination of very good care, good installation, very light use and of corse an excellent machine in the first place. A brand new WP or MT DD washer treated the same way will easily last 40 years with very few problems. Quality of build is aprox 5 times better today than it was in 1969 and materials are much longer lived today. The avarage WP washer was long gone after 12 years in the late 1960s, MTs were usually kept a few years longer partly because of the higher initial cost and of corse due to a high quality drive line. One other thing to keep in mind is an older machine like this if put in regular weekly use of a half dozen loads or more per week will not last another 40 years, in fact when we have sold these older pristine machines we have seen them go down hill very fast. Unless you do a complete tear down and replace the parts that usually fail, then they usually don't last all that long.
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Post# 449874 , Reply# 42 7/16/2010 at 20:01 (5,026 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Andy, just now getting ot this. It's not BOL that's for sure, more like a 24" Kenmore 500 is what I'd call it. I neger really liked these low end Kenmores vey much. But, now that we don't have anything like this now, I couled sure love it too.
Gordon, don't you think the water level needs to be adjusted up some? The way it was washing and sloshing water around in the movement around the tub, reminded me of about 3/4 water level on our Kenmore 800. I would think one would want water higher than the top of the agitator fins still being slightly exposed. | ||
| Post# 449883 , Reply# 43 7/16/2010 at 20:49 (5,026 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa) | ||
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SWEET!!! Another cool Kenmore demo added to my Sears Kenmore and Whirlpool computer folder. Thanks a ton for sharing this!--Laundry Shark | ||
| Post# 449888 , Reply# 44 7/16/2010 at 21:12 (5,026 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Wow! What a beauty! You can tell that this was someones pride and joy! They kept it showroom new! It it terrible to think that this would have been turned into scrap if you were not there to save it! Congratulations! Brent | ||
| Post# 449890 , Reply# 45 7/16/2010 at 21:26 (5,026 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
"It's not BOL that's for sure, more like a 24" Kenmore 500 is what I'd call it."
It is a lot like the 500...although not exactly the same as one 500 of that era I use. Still, it's probably much closer to that 500 than the BOL. Having used simple machines like this, I have to say they really do pretty much everything I'd ever need to do. | ||
| Post# 449915 , Reply# 46 7/17/2010 at 00:09 (5,026 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
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100 vs 500 | ||
| Post# 449919 , Reply# 47 7/17/2010 at 00:40 (5,026 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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"Since I don't know, I'll aak what the difference between a 100 and a 500 is..."
I'm using what I is, as far as I know, a 1969 500. The major differences: -Size of machine (29") -Water level control (3 levels) -Agitator (although I don't know if the one currently present was standard for all machines.) There are also cosmetic differences, which is to be expected, given Sears in that era. (If it weren't for vintage washers, and sometimes seeing old cars on the road, it would be so hard to believe there was a time when everything didn't look the same. Sigh.) I posted info about this machine a year or so ago under my old screen name. Link to my old post: CLICK HERE TO GO TO LordKenmore's LINK | ||
| Post# 449920 , Reply# 48 7/17/2010 at 00:44 (5,026 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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There is also a matching Kenmore 500 dryer, which will probably get hot with rage unless mentioned.
Link to the post about the 500 dryer: CLICK HERE TO GO TO LordKenmore's LINK | ||
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Post# 449941 , Reply# 49 7/17/2010 at 06:07 (5,026 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Kenmore 100, 200, 500, etc.
The Kenmore series numbering scheme, which was alternately called 50, 60, 70-series, or 500, 600 and 700, etc. is Kenmore's way of placing models in a hierarchy, just as Maytag did with their various series. The higher in the line, the fancier.
Kenmore often offered a number of machines within the same series, and especially in the 1960s, offered machines from several different model years simultaneously. For example, I know that the top-of-the-heap 1963, 1964, and 1965 Lady Kenmore washers were all available at the same time at a point in 1965. Oddly, the 63 was considered an 800, while the other two were 900s series machines. This was done to elevate the 3-speed washers above the rest in a new class of their own. HOWEVER, what determined a Kenmore 900 in 1964/1965 did not necessarily determine what was a Kenmore 900 in 1968, etc. A Kenmore's specific series can be gleaned from it's model number. In this case, Andy says the model number is 110.6704112. The S and the W00 are not part of the official number, but the W means white. Anyway, when I heard this model number over the phone, I realized that this machine was the second in a series of 100 series washers. The first is 110.6704100. I have not had time to study the difference between the two models, but this machine started life as a 6704110, and had been revised twice. It's actually a 1967 model, and the first 6704110 had the black bakelite agitator. Upon changing to the plastic gold version, this would account for one of the model revisions. As to what each series offers, that changed from year to year and still does. 24-inch machines don't always follow the convention set by the 29-inch washers either. In the 60s and 70s they often had reheated styling from previous years. I have a 1967 200 series 24-inch machine, which is the only 24-inch washer I have and it is not presently functional. It is styled just like this machine, however it has three water levels and five temps. That is a major jump for one series. Strangely, these machines are both 2-speed models, and have three cycles, etc. yet the have the BOL-ish blue tub, which in the 29-inch washers was used in the bare-bones washers only. Once a 29-inch machine got to have adjustable water levels and multi-cycles, the blue tubs were ditched in favor of the more durable speckled tubs, and ultimately the double-coated white ones. I am not sure how long this machine was available beyond early 1969, but by 1972, the BOL 100 series 24-inch washer retained a similar control panel, but in different colors. It had single speed motor, and a two-cycle timer with Normal and Short only, still no water level selection, and no separate temp knob. Temps were set on the normal cycle as hot or warm only, cold rinse was timer-mandatory. There was no porcelain on the top or lid. By 1972, the 24-inch models followed 29-inch examples more closely and the true BOL of the 24-inch line was similar to the 29-inch brothers. As some others have said, this particular model would have offered me all I needed if I was shopping for a washer. The lack of an adjustable water level in a machine this size for me would not be a handicap. In an 18lb it would be. I do agree that the water level will require adjustment, as it should rise a couple inches above the top of the fins on the agitator. Gordon | ||
| Post# 449945 , Reply# 50 7/17/2010 at 06:27 (5,026 days old) by randycmaynard () | ||
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Now that's a steal! Great job finding it......... Not unlike the KM600 that I brought home from the Nashville area back in March - mine wasn't quite as clean underneath but everywhere else it was mint just as this one is. Hope it brings you great enjoyment! | ||
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Post# 449988 , Reply# 52 7/17/2010 at 12:03 (5,025 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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It's not just marketing on new washers. For a technician to go out, diagnose the problem, replace the part, and test, I'm betting you're in the $100.00+ range price wise. On a 40+ year old washer, that's not really feasable for the average homeowner, when you can get a new one for a couple hunderd more.
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Post# 450118 , Reply# 53 7/17/2010 at 20:40 (5,025 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Well, the 500 it reminds me of is more like the 1963 to 1966 or any model which had the 3 main cycles and 3 water temps like above, but without a water level selector like on your 500. Friends of the family had one that they bought after they got married in 1963 or 1964. It had the 3 pastel cycle colors. the cycles were stationary on the panel and the timer dial had an elongated pointer. It is the exact same one as found on pages 14-17 of the 1963 LK owners manual in the user manual section. I discovered my next door neighbor had a 29" model which loked very similar to above when it was placed on her driveway waiting to be picked up by a scrapper or scavenger. Had an aunt that had the very same machine. It had the platic timer dial like above as well as I do believe a similar tyep of little plastic dial that had the 3 water temp selections. All three units I'm referrring to had the old-fasshioned metal filter cartridge instead of the golden plastic one as above which matches the agitator.
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| Post# 451238 , Reply# 56 7/23/2010 at 06:23 (5,020 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Spin Sprays | ||
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Post# 451244 , Reply# 57 7/23/2010 at 07:12 (5,020 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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SPRAY RINSES IN 24' BD WASHERS
Were taken out sometime in the late 1970s for the remainder of the BD production in 24" models. We were told at the time it was to save water I don't know if it made much sense but that was the reason given during the refresher training. After the late 1970s energy crisis a number of things were done in the name of saving energy some good and others dumb. I remember that WP also took top heat out of thier electric ovens to save power and had huge numbers of complaints about poor baking results and had to go back to having top heat, it also saved no power at all. The DD washers were introduced in mid 1981 as full size 24" models. The full size BD washers were not around very long after that, they were the first BD series to be discontinued in the change over to DD washers. It will be interesting to watch the currently occurring change over away from the DD washers.
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