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Ariston machines in the US?
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Post# 449881   7/16/2010 at 20:39 (5,004 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

When Tim(macboy91si) came to get the Apple machines, He mentioned that he had an Ariston washer/dryer combo unit. Since he was willing to sell it to me, I had to jump on it. So my parents ask, was driving 124 miles worth getting this machine? UMMM... Yes, it sure was!!!!! I'll explain why...




Post# 449898 , Reply# 1   7/16/2010 at 22:33 (5,004 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
Antonio Merloni?

if that ariston is an antonio merloni machine,it is probably
a lot like a splendide combomatic-common for use in RVs,buses,
campers,boats and other vehicles.


Post# 449933 , Reply# 2   7/17/2010 at 04:29 (5,004 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Ariston is not Antonio Merloni but Indesit Company, the other brother!

Post# 449951 , Reply# 3   7/17/2010 at 07:10 (5,004 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Both don't know how to make good washers! LOL

Post# 449957 , Reply# 4   7/17/2010 at 07:55 (5,003 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        
Both don't know how to make good washers! LOL

Disagrees.

Post# 449958 , Reply# 5   7/17/2010 at 08:02 (5,003 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Yeah, I too disagreee!
You might see more discarded Indesit/Hotpoint/Ariston/Servis/Ardo/etc machines because both firms combined comprise 1/4 of all the white appliances market in Europe!
But you have to consider that those start from budget to TOL machines also the quality of the wash programs is far above average!
Have you seen many Indesit Moon or Ariston/Hotpoint Extendia or Aqualtis trashed?
You get what you pay for!
And in this case I believe you get more quality than similar priced Asian made machines like Haier or others


Post# 449960 , Reply# 6   7/17/2010 at 08:09 (5,003 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Both don't know how to make good washers!

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half disagrees!!!

Aqualtis (by Hotpoint-Indesit) is in its 4th generation and proving reliable!!!

BUT these little combo units, while not mega load may be just the job!!! Melvin, Looking forward to hearing about it and seeing your pics!!


Post# 449965 , Reply# 7   7/17/2010 at 08:45 (5,003 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I was only commenting on the Aristons, not on the Hotpoint-Aristons as they are marketed here wich actually means that they are sold as Hotpoints. It seems that Ariston machines are not longer sold in the Netherlands. The Hotpoint-Ariston seem of better quality although there were noise issues with some series.

Post# 449995 , Reply# 8   7/17/2010 at 13:03 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Due to the time I got home, I only had time to make room in the shed to store it, before I ran out of day light. Today, we will see what it is made of, so lets DO IT!

Post# 449997 , Reply# 9   7/17/2010 at 13:05 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

The controls. The 3 lower knobs pop out. It has numbers and symbols to indicate the cycles/programs.

Post# 450002 , Reply# 10   7/17/2010 at 13:20 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

The program sheet comes out with the dispenser. It even has time delay.

Post# 450005 , Reply# 11   7/17/2010 at 13:23 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

dispenser.

Post# 450006 , Reply# 12   7/17/2010 at 13:27 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

door open, has metal baffles, with holes in them, interesting door hinges

Post# 450007 , Reply# 13   7/17/2010 at 13:28 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

baffles, basket is very easy to turn and feel very light

Post# 450008 , Reply# 14   7/17/2010 at 13:30 (5,003 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Aww, bless!

That looks so cute and tiny next to that great big US machine in the garage! I had a machine very similar to that in a rental property years ago. Very water efficient and a real workhorse.

Post# 450010 , Reply# 15   7/17/2010 at 13:32 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

The back of the machine.

Post# 450011 , Reply# 16   7/17/2010 at 13:35 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Top off:
Outer drum is metal, good
Duct for dryer has small fan run by Shaded Pole motor.
Counter weight, etc


Post# 450012 , Reply# 17   7/17/2010 at 13:36 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

door

Post# 450014 , Reply# 18   7/17/2010 at 13:38 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Dryer duct looks to go into the side of the door seal

Post# 450016 , Reply# 19   7/17/2010 at 13:43 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Controls. Timer looks a little small

Post# 450017 , Reply# 20   7/17/2010 at 13:45 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Water valves are part of the dispenser system, looks cheap.

Post# 450018 , Reply# 21   7/17/2010 at 13:47 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Back off, I'm not seeing a heater

Post# 450019 , Reply# 22   7/17/2010 at 13:50 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

It's got a board! I presume for motor control and cycle functions. Motor is part Induction, part Brush

Post# 450020 , Reply# 23   7/17/2010 at 13:51 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Time to run the machine and see how it acts.

Post# 450038 , Reply# 24   7/17/2010 at 14:34 (5,003 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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The motor is brushed.

I dont know how you came to the conclusion that it is part induction part brushed as I wasnt aware both could be combined??? Maybe im wrong but doubt it. Especially as these were relatively cheap when they were around circa 2000/2001.

As for seeing no heater you actually wont. The heating elements for the dryer are contained in the fan chamber and the water heating elements are hidden away in the actual wash tub.

A friend of mine had one of these machines that cost her £299 from Curry's, it barely lasted her 18 months after having had 2 timer repairs.
There was a common fault on these that meant it would continue to click the dial around even after the wash cycle ended.



Post# 450085 , Reply# 25   7/17/2010 at 17:37 (5,003 days old) by HooverKeymatic (England)        
???

Why does it have a Whirlpool-ish drum? I thought they usually have Indesit drums.

Post# 450088 , Reply# 26   7/17/2010 at 17:53 (5,003 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
drum

the drum is exactly the same as the drum in my splendide as
is the air heater.Other details are different though.
My splendide is antonio merloni from 2002.


Post# 450116 , Reply# 27   7/17/2010 at 20:37 (5,003 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

What a cute machine, they dont look to be too badly made remarkabley.

Rob, the old Miele's had a combined Brush/Induction motor. It was how they provided multiple speeds without computer control. It has a single shaft with the induction motor at one end and the brush motor at the other. My W423 manages 3 speeds with no clutch and no electronics.
Tumble, 900Rpm and 1100Rpm


Post# 450123 , Reply# 28   7/17/2010 at 21:48 (5,003 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Yes, It is a cute machine,BUT there just has to be some part that is of poor quality. The door is plastic, inner is glass, outer window looks to be plastic. The fill valve assembly, poor quality, but I have to say it actually does a decent job washing and drying, granted you don't overload it, and leave enough room in the machine so you can see the back. I've done 3 loads now and it does take 3-5 hours to wash and dry each load, but it works pretty well. The machine is pretty quiet. The other thing is that is uses next to no water. I'm not used to seeing the clothes just wet and tumbling. With that being said, how much soap should I really use if the machine uses hardly no water? I want to try to keep the spider in the best condition possible.

Regarding the motor:
It is either Brush only, or Induction/Brush. The machine has 600/1200 RPM spin speed, so it does need a brush component to spin that fast. The motor is not Inverter Duty, because the control board doe not look like it can support the IGBT's required for the modified sine wave. The machine does have spin bursts, but it also has a few speeds that are slightly faster than the tumble speed. I have not taken the motor out and examined it yet, and I have not taken a close look at the control board either. Oh, and there is a small capacitor that is connected to some of the wires that go to the motor. There are relays that click every time the motor changes direction though. I'm still thinking the motor is Induction/Brush.


Post# 450168 , Reply# 29   7/18/2010 at 03:58 (5,003 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

That Ariston machine here in Italy would be a 5/3 kg or 6/4 kg wash and dry. Usually when drying a full load after the wash, you simply take half of the clothes and dry half at a time.
As for detergent use, I'd say that you need less than half than a standard topload (anybody confirm?).
With an European detergent the standard dose is anywhere between 100-150 ml of diluite liquids or 25-35 ml of concentrated.
Or 80 g of powder detergent.


Post# 450188 , Reply# 30   7/18/2010 at 08:39 (5,002 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Well....

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.....seems that avoiding chlorine bleach is what you MUST do if you want the spider to last.

As for load....fill 'er right to the top if you just want a wash and half way up the door if you want to do wash-dry in one cycle...

Now, as for the plastic doors...Just because it is plastic, doesn't make it bad/poor quality...the outer plastic piece in the inside of the 'dish' part of the door is to stop children and stupid adults from scalding themselves on the door-glass when the machine is drying - it gets VERY HOT...

As for detergent quantity...I would suggest using 1/2 the amount you would use in a Neptune which here is rated at 8 or 10kg....make sure it is the lowest sudsing, best quality powdered detergent you can find and AVOID chlorine bleach!!!


Post# 450302 , Reply# 31   7/18/2010 at 19:23 (5,002 days old) by robliverpool (england Liverpool)        
Timer problems

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As someone mentioned the timer on here i thought i would mention it aswell. My mate bought that exact same model and hers last barely 4 months and the control board burned out, then the timer kept advancing. 4 Repairs in 12 months and it broke again with the same problem just after the warranty ran out. She used to use the dryer a lot with having 2 kids and maybe that contributed towards the control board burn out.

In the end i used the machine for parts for my indesit as the motor had burned out on it. good luck with the machine, maybe the one you have may be ok if its lasted this long


Post# 450328 , Reply# 32   7/18/2010 at 20:20 (5,002 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

I am I little concerned about the control board, as when one of the relays are fired, the LEDs in the front dim. Tim did say that the timer does stick from time to time. Given the issues that others have posted about this machine, it may be best not to use it very often. There may come a time where I may really need to use this machine, before I can redesign the control board. Thanks guys for the advice on how much soap to use.


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