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Thread Number: 29694
Using bleach WILL NOT HARM your washer |
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| Post# 451350 , Reply# 1 7/23/2010 at 17:09 (5,019 days old) by supremewhirlpol () | ||
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Lee, I'd say given that you work with this stuff everyday, you know what your talking about! You go you additive expert you!!!! Ummm Lee, What type of machines do you use at home? Do you have a big 80LB 3 phase commercial machine in your house? | ||
| Post# 451477 , Reply# 6 7/24/2010 at 04:35 (5,018 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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Speed Queen Model almost the same 
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| Post# 451993 , Reply# 8 7/26/2010 at 03:02 (5,016 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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Sorry you had a bad stay. most of the motels in Arlington are now owned by the "Patel" hotel groups that should tell a lot. | ||
| Post# 452329 , Reply# 9 7/27/2010 at 13:17 (5,015 days old) by amyswasher () | ||
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It was all good. Motel sucked, went to all the places. Do you work on Cooper St? I tried to put the picture of the LG on here but it was huge, and couldn't crop it or anything. I would rather have a different washer, but the price was right. | ||
| Post# 452339 , Reply# 10 7/27/2010 at 14:30 (5,015 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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No, I am in the Fort Worth Medical Dist. but not far from there at all.. 5 mins maybe | ||
| Post# 453076 , Reply# 11 7/30/2010 at 14:18 (5,012 days old) by amyswasher () | ||
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used LCB I finally got my owners manual out from under the washer leg, and replaced it with cardboard. The owner manual said to use beach, so I did, and it worked. | ||
| Post# 453135 , Reply# 12 7/30/2010 at 18:41 (5,012 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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Glad to hear it If bleach was so bad why do they put dispensers on most all machines even since the very early models? | ||
Post# 453138 , Reply# 13 7/30/2010 at 18:56 (5,012 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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For most of the history of modern American washing machines, all parts that have contact with "wash" water, are designed to withstand corrosion by alkaline substances under normal use.
You can read owner's manual for washing machines going back to the 1920's, 1930's and so forth touting their ability to resist bleach, washing soda, and the other equally harsh substances frequently used to clean clothing. Acids are another story, including the gallons of white vinegar Amercians seem now to be pouring into their machines. | ||
| Post# 453351 , Reply# 14 7/31/2010 at 17:25 (5,011 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 453449 , Reply# 16 8/1/2010 at 02:40 (5,010 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Not a blanket OK
The manuals for the Bosch Axxis and Miele washers specifically warn NOT to use chlorine bleach in those washers, and the warranty will be voided if you do use it.
It is a known fact that stainless steel is particularly susceptible to attack from chlorine. Personally I would NOT risk using chlorine bleach in any modern front loader, unless you are prepared to replace seals and bearings on a regular basis. Commercial and industrial machines are built with special protection for seals and bearings, and are made with more serviceable bearings to begin with. Your mileage may vary. I have never used chlorine bleach in my Neptune and have had zero problems with the seals, the bearings, the door gasket, and have not had any problem with mold or odor either. That's after 10 years of an average of five loads a week. American washing machine mfgs provide bleach dispensers in their machines because Americans are addicted to the stuff, and sales would flop if there were not such a dispenser. So, the machine dies earlier than it otherwise would. The mfg gets to sell the customer another machine. Result: even more sales. Hot water, enzymes, oxygen bleach, and phosphates are a MUCH better way to clean fabrics without damaging them or the machine with corrosive, toxic, malodorous chlorine bleach. Save it for the toilet! | ||
| Post# 453469 , Reply# 17 8/1/2010 at 08:34 (5,010 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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all the more reasons NOT to buy bosch or Miele I would not have a wahser that is not made well enough to withstand bleach.Nor should anyone else waste money on a machine that a mfg. does not think there machine is built well enough to withstand use of bleach. | ||
| Post# 453511 , Reply# 18 8/1/2010 at 11:20 (5,010 days old) by amyswasher () | ||
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Where I live: bleach or no bleach won't be the problem. I think hard water will be the death of my machine. We don't drink the water out of the tap here. | ||
| Post# 453558 , Reply# 20 8/1/2010 at 16:04 (5,010 days old) by amyswasher () | ||
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We keep thinking we are going to move, then we don't. If I know we were going to be in the house for 5 years, we would have had a softener added. | ||
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Post# 453597 , Reply# 21 8/1/2010 at 18:09 (5,010 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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For The Record
Only older Bosch units restricted the use of chlorine bleach in their washers with the threat of voiding warranty. Miele strongly urged users not to use chlorine bleach, and it really wasn't required because of boil wash temps the unit could reach. However Miele USA customer support told me that using LCB once in a great while wouldn't harm my vintage Miele. Indeed it probably was the only sure fire way of dealing with a really bad case of mould.
However being as all this may most newer models of Bosch washing machines allow the use of LCB. Miele's offerings for the USA market also gave up and now even include a dispenser for bleach. In both cases, both Bosch and Miele washers it was not only the stainless steel wash tubs that could be affected by heavy use of chlorine bleach, but the various sensors located between the drums as well. When one simply has to bleach something, say items with stains no amount of boiling with oxygen bleach will shift, use the Whirlpool portable or Hoover TT. Those units were designed to deal with chlorine bleach. | ||
| Post# 453766 , Reply# 22 8/2/2010 at 12:26 (5,009 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Post# 453810 , Reply# 23 8/2/2010 at 14:12 (5,009 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 453838 , Reply# 24 8/2/2010 at 15:45 (5,009 days old) by favorit () | ||
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Miele and LCB Miele commercial frontloaders - 
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| Post# 453839 , Reply# 25 8/2/2010 at 15:48 (5,009 days old) by favorit () | ||
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LCB dispenser here it is : 
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| Post# 453840 , Reply# 26 8/2/2010 at 15:52 (5,009 days old) by favorit () | ||
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as LCB is flushed during the 1st rinse fill, they recommend to programme at least 4 rinses : 
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| Post# 453843 , Reply# 27 8/2/2010 at 15:57 (5,009 days old) by favorit () | ||
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how to programme/trick the machine I wish also current residential mieles were so flexible ! 
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| Post# 454197 , Reply# 29 8/3/2010 at 13:25 (5,008 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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amy I use culligan also and trust them. there are others but they just are not as good. Rainsoft is ok but not as good as culligan. | ||
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Post# 454200 , Reply# 30 8/3/2010 at 13:28 (5,008 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Do you mean whole house water softeners? Sears sells them, although you would want to have a plumber install it. You will also probably require some additional plumbing work to at least put an unsoftened cold line to the kitchen for drinking and possibly even a bypass for water used for irrigation.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK | ||
| Post# 454208 , Reply# 31 8/3/2010 at 13:48 (5,008 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Culligan is one of the best. If not for the product, for their service. Read the fine print, after the $19 per month you are usually locked into a contract for around $70 - $120 per month. Also, many times with the trial period, if you have it removed after the three months, you have to pay the install charges. Not to say this is wrong, just be aware.
Rainsoft, at least in our area, is very high pressure over priced sales. Think a Kirby salesman on steroids if you let them in the door they will not leave without a signed contract. Make up the guest room. The system I am looking at with Culligan has a RO (Reverse Osmosis) drinking water system for the kitchen also hooked up to the ice maker. | ||
| Post# 454218 , Reply# 32 8/3/2010 at 14:23 (5,008 days old) by amyswasher () | ||
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I saw the Culligan ad also. But I live a 100 miles where this special would happen. In my area they would honor the $19 for three months, but mileage and installation would be extra. | ||
| Post# 454439 , Reply# 33 8/4/2010 at 09:15 (5,007 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Amy
That's the nice thing about Culligan, they are up front with everything so you know what you are getting.
Now where my Aunt and Uncle live in Missouri, they say that Culligan won't honor their warranty unless you use their salt in the system. I don't know if that means their salt service, or if you just have to be careful to pick up Culligan salt at the Piggly-Wiggly. They too live approximately 70 miles from the nearest big town so mileage is tacked on to everything. My uncle is a big Do-it-myselfer, but with his advancing Alzheimer's my Aunt is in charge of getting more of the house stuff done. | ||
| Post# 454457 , Reply# 34 8/4/2010 at 10:50 (5,007 days old) by amyswasher () | ||
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it's true They are up front with everything. They used to have a local dealer before I moved here, but that was a long time ago. | ||
| Post# 455013 , Reply# 35 8/6/2010 at 16:10 (5,005 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
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