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Post# 456107   8/11/2010 at 01:26 (4,978 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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When a fantastic price shows up on a machine that I really want... Somehow it ends up in my basement!




Post# 456108 , Reply# 1   8/11/2010 at 01:27 (4,978 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
All installed!

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I love the styling of this machine!

Post# 456109 , Reply# 2   8/11/2010 at 01:31 (4,978 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
Love the shiny tub!!!

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So big!!!

Post# 456110 , Reply# 3   8/11/2010 at 01:32 (4,978 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Wow nice looking machine Jamie, got any vids?

Post# 456112 , Reply# 4   8/11/2010 at 01:37 (4,978 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
Pros

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I love how this machine works!
-The lid switch was a BREEZE to trick
-The wash action seems MUCH gentler than HE impeller machines I've used in the past.
-It uses a very generous amount of water such that you can in fact see the water level while it's running, it remains an inch or 2 below the level of the saturated clothes.
-It does NOT tangle things! I threw towels at it, t-shirts, jeans, shorts, long pants, boxers, even sheets and not a single thing came out with anything else wound around it. I was able to pick up each item individually and not have any other item come up with it.


Post# 456113 , Reply# 5   8/11/2010 at 01:41 (4,978 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
Cons

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Only a couple troubles that may be mechanical/computer faults that need to be addressed by a repairman.

-When the "Fabric Softener" and "Extra Rinse" options are selected, it states in the user manual that softener will not be dispensed until the final rinse, however it is still indeed dispensed in the first rinse it seems... I did have to stop the machine during the wash spin for a lenghty period of time in which it powered down and then skipped onto the next step when I turned it back on. It may have been my fault for shutting it off. I shall explore this problem further.

-On both the Normal and Eco Normal cycles, no matter what temp is selected, it always washes in cool water. The other cycles work just fine temp wise... Not sure why this is. I have my cold water tempered to 85F and it would only fill from the cold valve. Then I tried shutting off the hot water to the tempering valve and it did indeed compensate by adding hot water to reach the same temperature that my tempering valve achieved. So it's not a problem with the valves... Not sure what's goin on there...


Post# 456114 , Reply# 6   8/11/2010 at 01:43 (4,978 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Jed, I have taken a couple vids, I still need to load them on Youtube though. It sounds very very similar to a Whirpool World Washer as they share the same/similar mechanism.

Post# 456134 , Reply# 7   8/11/2010 at 07:02 (4,978 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Jamie, congratulations!!! Nice looking machine. I do have one concern though, please try not to bond with the "agitator" while it's running, that's a very very far down rach, I don't want to seee you get hurt or worse-case scenario, you fall in.

Post# 456135 , Reply# 8   8/11/2010 at 07:13 (4,978 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)        

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Congratulations Jamie!! Please keep us updated on your thoughts and observations.

Post# 456163 , Reply# 9   8/11/2010 at 10:18 (4,978 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Wow, that is one humongous tub! Is this one of the new, mechanically-redesigned machines, Jamie?

Congratulations, and maybe there's hope for the impeller wash system after all!


Post# 456184 , Reply# 10   8/11/2010 at 12:26 (4,978 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
PricePoint?

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What is the pricepoint of this machine? I looks fairly basic and simple. Is the lid lock/switch mechanism different than the Cabrio with an F&P engine?

Malcolm


Post# 456231 , Reply# 11   8/11/2010 at 14:45 (4,978 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Very nice, Jamie

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Interesting discovery on the cool water for Normal & Eco cycles.

Definitely keep us posted on your opinion of this washer.


Post# 456247 , Reply# 12   8/11/2010 at 15:32 (4,977 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Normal cycle is usually the one used for EnergyStar testing/qualification.  Perhaps Eco runs a different rinse sequence or a longer or shorter wash period than Normal.


Post# 456360 , Reply# 13   8/11/2010 at 22:53 (4,977 days old) by vintagesearch ()        

congrats! i know you dig your new toy!

i will be keeping my eye and ear close to this thread as i forsee us getting one our kenmore is starting to show signs of perhaps saying goodbye (its my parents fault) anywho keep us updated please looks kewl!!!


Post# 456373 , Reply# 14   8/11/2010 at 23:23 (4,977 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        
hopeful

I would love to hear this type machine will work well & long. Keep us informed. My '96 shredmore ain't gettin' any younger or gentler!(and our water bills ARE creeping up).

Post# 456566 , Reply# 15   8/12/2010 at 19:17 (4,976 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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This IS one of the newly designed machines that uses a belt!

The price of this particular machine is $629 I believe... However, I got it for a discount and this is not the lowest model.

The lid lock is very different from the F&P based machines. There is a magnet contained in the plastic of the latch, all I needed to do was removed the latch assemble from the lid (2 screws) and place it in the port and the machine is convinced it's closed and locked.

So far, everything I've thrown at this machine has come out very well! Aside from the temp issue on the 2 Normal cycles and the fabric softener dispenser issue, this machine is very very nice. It's very quiet, does a good job, doesn't take forever, and doesn't tangle anything! It's gotten out several stains that I've thrown at it and if one needs a hot wash, while it's not a full 140F-160F, the Heavy Duty cycle offers a hot temp hot enough to steam up a camera and a pair of glasses!

A few more things I've noticed are that this machine seems to rinse surprisingly well. So much so that things are coming out of the dryer a lot softer than I'm used to. Also, even with only an 800 RPM spin, things are coming out of the spin cycle with dry spots on them like they would if they were coming from a Unimatic! Everything dries in a very short time.


Post# 456577 , Reply# 16   8/12/2010 at 19:57 (4,976 days old) by vintagesearch ()        

wow mr pulsator

sounds great! im interested in getting the BOL one that has no time display LOL and if its anything like you have in washing rinsing and spinning than im sold im eagerly awaiting the videos! good wash times to you ;)


Post# 456594 , Reply# 17   8/12/2010 at 21:51 (4,976 days old) by washernoob ()        

That is a really sharp looking machine! Nice find.

Love the control panel, and the very contemporary look of the interior.


Post# 457529 , Reply# 18   8/17/2010 at 14:40 (4,972 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Service Literature

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I found the service literature for this beast. You'll need to drop the http:// from the front of the url.

Malcolm


CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrb627's LINK


Post# 457563 , Reply# 19   8/17/2010 at 17:02 (4,971 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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"I found the service literature for this beast. You'll need to drop the http:// from the front of the url."

After removing the "http://", I also needed to add a colon between the "https" and the first "/" (This forms: https://).

Thanks for the link, Malcom! I've been curious about this washer, and the service info will tell more than the sales literature.


Post# 457606 , Reply# 20   8/17/2010 at 21:52 (4,971 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Not sure what I'm doing wrong but, I can't get the link to work... :/

Post# 457666 , Reply# 21   8/18/2010 at 01:40 (4,971 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
And finally...

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Some videos!!!!

Flushing/filling:




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Washing:




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Rinsing:




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Spinning:




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End of cycle signal:




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Post# 457674 , Reply# 22   8/18/2010 at 02:19 (4,971 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
Cool

Wow, what a cute machine. its sounds so quiet on the wash and spin cycles.

Paul


Post# 457682 , Reply# 23   8/18/2010 at 05:08 (4,971 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        
Service info link trouble?

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This is the link. It should work with a simple copy and paste your web browser's address bar:

secured.whirlpool.com/Service/Sr...


Post# 457695 , Reply# 24   8/18/2010 at 06:29 (4,971 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
URL

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It appears that AW doesn't like the https prefix and attempts to attach http: in front. Then, the browser want to strip the second : from the address.

The double whammy!

Malcolm


Post# 457711 , Reply# 25   8/18/2010 at 08:23 (4,971 days old) by gefilterflo (Newark, Ohio)        

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When it's washing, it sounds exactly like a GE Hydrowave

Post# 457719 , Reply# 26   8/18/2010 at 09:25 (4,971 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Service Tech Sheet

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Here is the Service Tech Sheet that is normally found in the console.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrb627's LINK


Post# 457813 , Reply# 27   8/18/2010 at 16:48 (4,970 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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The wash action reminds me exactly of your Hydrowave w/out the post... frankly I'm not impressed with the wash action on these. If I want an HE machine I will go w/ a front loader

Post# 457839 , Reply# 28   8/18/2010 at 19:13 (4,970 days old) by vintagesearch ()        

nice seems to use sufficient water and we can see great rollover! yes i want one NOW

Post# 457840 , Reply# 29   8/18/2010 at 19:15 (4,970 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Cute machine. Nice to see a bit more water in the tub for a HE TLer. How well does it turn over that load of towels? I love the EOC chime. It's singing--You're clothes are clean!! Your clothes are clean!! All ya need is a slant-front westinghouse dryer that plays how dry I am at the end and you'll be set!!

Post# 457870 , Reply# 30   8/18/2010 at 21:35 (4,970 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I love the way the washer looks........What bugs me the most is the wash/rinse action, in that how LONG it takes for the towels to submerge and roll over. I know that this does "eventually happen", but so much time is wasted waiting for it to happen, that I wonder if they are getting as clean and rinse as they could. I mean, when the towels at the top take three minutes to finally roll over.....I guess it's just me. Lots of people like these machines and say they get clothes clean so maybe there's more going on than what I'm seeing.

Post# 457873 , Reply# 31   8/18/2010 at 22:13 (4,970 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        
nonplussed

I wish I could like the sounds of the new type washers. I can't. Sounds like they're straining doing what they should do happily. The turn over doesn't impress either. Sorry. My '96 DD is gonna' keep doin' our duds for the forseeable future. If it was terminal at this point,I'd go SQ TL, possibly SQ FL. I wanted to like this new Whirly.

Post# 457892 , Reply# 32   8/19/2010 at 00:31 (4,970 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Jamie your machine is very nice. I just don't think i am a T/L hE person. I doubt, if a casual user would even notice the difference. It would be very difficult for me to embrace this "change". If your old enough to remember the double take customers in sears made when they first saw the dual-action, wait until older customers see this and I am taking it that there will be no other Kenmore option when WP completely changes over? arthur

Post# 457933 , Reply# 33   8/19/2010 at 09:27 (4,970 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Most of the clothes we wear every day does not get that dirty. You have to do a test with really dirty clothes, like taking a white towel, and wipe the sidewalk, or a dirty balcony with it. Then run the same load and see if it comes out clean.
I have serious doubts that this machine would do the job. When I buy an HE machine, it will be a front loader for sure. I just don't see how this top-loading wash action can clean anything. And I think most people who buy those machines have no clue what goes on inside before they buy it. They assume this: A big tub, without an agitator, I can fill this up with a huge load. Wow. And I don't have to bend down. Cool. Let's buy it.

So please do a test with a really dirty load and let's see the results. To convince us, the skeptics. haha.

Thanks,


Post# 457940 , Reply# 34   8/19/2010 at 09:51 (4,970 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota)        

I'm not sure if this is the same as the new Maytag Bravo, but the bleach is dumped into the tub right away, and it looks like the tray could take it, but it's capped off with a "HE" logo.

I'd like to see a video of a full load (to the top) as most large house hold would do.. Will the clothes wash?? (I'm still not sold on TL HE washers.


Post# 457958 , Reply# 35   8/19/2010 at 12:10 (4,970 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Here's a cut-away of the drive mechanism. Look's like a regular TL from the outside...

Post# 457999 , Reply# 36   8/19/2010 at 17:35 (4,969 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
deep

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these new top loaders with deep, deep tubs look like you'd need the arms of an orangutan to reach the clothes at the bottom...ha-ha

Post# 458002 , Reply# 37   8/19/2010 at 17:45 (4,969 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Agitator

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It does appear that a model with an agitator is coming. Should perform just like the Hydrowave. Of the two, I wonder which one will outlast the other. My first guess would be the Whirlpool over the GE, but time will tell.

Malcolm


Post# 458034 , Reply# 38   8/19/2010 at 21:54 (4,969 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
Water cheat!!!!

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I like the gray wash plate in the Maytag!

For those who don't like how little water it uses, I made a vid showing how machine performs using the water cheat I found!

It only takes about 3-4 minutes, here's how I do it: Put the load in sans chemical, start it, use my hand to divert the flowing water to drench the load while turning the tub to drench the WHOLE load, set the machine to spin on low speed for a few seconds, stop it, add chemicals, set controls and start it. It senses the weight of the load and determines the correct water level via the weight sensing. Making the load slightly heavier makes it use more water.





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Post# 458041 , Reply# 39   8/19/2010 at 22:56 (4,969 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        
oh,to be impressed

But I'm not. Still sounds like a dumb teenager continually hitting the gas & letting off in his mom's slant 6 Valiant. Hope it does good for you.

Post# 458043 , Reply# 40   8/19/2010 at 23:05 (4,969 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        
And..

They should've used a little more PLASTIC. I AM sorry to be harsh,but my disappointment cup overfloweth like our '63 Frigidaire Imperial rinse cycle used to. Nevermore.

Post# 458056 , Reply# 41   8/20/2010 at 00:24 (4,969 days old) by Spiceman1957 ()        
Very nice

A very modern looking machine with lots of bells and whistles
John


Post# 458081 , Reply# 42   8/20/2010 at 04:32 (4,969 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Hey Pulsator

That last vid looked much better. I also noticed your machine has a bulky cycle. I would assume that cycle would use a lot more water as well *without having to trick it*.....No?


Post# 458084 , Reply# 43   8/20/2010 at 06:05 (4,969 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Thanks for the videos!

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I wonder what the temps on this washer are. How warm is warm and how hot is hot? And does Heavy Duty and Extra Heavy soil level result in a hot-only fill?

Post# 458106 , Reply# 44   8/20/2010 at 08:02 (4,969 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

How big is the load on your last video? It seems like such a small load compared to the size of the tub.

Do these machines ever get filled up all the way to the top (or at least 3/4 ) ???


Post# 458112 , Reply# 45   8/20/2010 at 08:41 (4,969 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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It probably was filled to the top, but like it a front loader, once the load is wet, it tamps down a lot. Perhaps you're not supposed to fill above a certain line on the tub either. I agree though, every vid I've seen with these machines the load doesn't appear to be very large.....It's hard to tell because the tamp down so much when wet.

Post# 458119 , Reply# 46   8/20/2010 at 09:10 (4,969 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Congratulations on the new machine!

I guess most people who have toploaders with a wash plate have the tendency of not filling them up to the top as they used to do with traditional agitators. On Youtube there are only a few videos that appear to be filled to the top. So the question is Jamie, how full was your machine when you filled it?

It's the same for frontloaders actually. There are hardly any movies of American sized frontloaders that are filled to capacity. Europeans are used to fill frontloaders properly, with only a little space on the top left.


Post# 458131 , Reply# 47   8/20/2010 at 11:14 (4,969 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Water Trick

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I used to use that water trick method on my LG's

Malcolm


Post# 458151 , Reply# 48   8/20/2010 at 13:38 (4,969 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I have tried filling it to the top before, actually, I've done 2 Bobloads in it! It usually squishes everything down to about 2/3 full when there is a HUGE load in it. I have yet to try a Bobload in it with my new water trick. I tried out the Clean Washer cycle to see what it would do and it fills all the way to the rim of he tub with HOT water! So it's not like it won't fill up a ton. I just wonder what it will do with a Bobload and my new water cheat... I'll be sure to take a video of that!

Also, even without the water cheat, both Bobloads came out flawlessly. No more stains (they were nasty loads), nothing tangled, and everything soft and fresh smelling! I did have to split the loads between 2 dryers each though...


Post# 458155 , Reply# 49   8/20/2010 at 14:30 (4,969 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Even though there is more traditional "sloshing around" in the video with more water, there seems to be more actual turnover in the video with less water.

It's a cool machine, Jamie. Thanks for posting all the vids!


Post# 458190 , Reply# 50   8/20/2010 at 20:51 (4,968 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota)        

Jamie, when you do your bobload, be sure to a video of it full and dry load and the machine starting up and doing it's fill.

Post# 458241 , Reply# 51   8/21/2010 at 07:14 (4,968 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I read in the service manual (kindly linked above by Malcolm) and it reassured the user that water should not cover the load as with a traditional top-loader, because the extra water will lift the clothes off the impeller, thus reducing cleaning power and increasing tangling.

This is a case where less water produces better results. Even if it is a bit painful to watch, LOL!


Post# 458242 , Reply# 52   8/21/2010 at 07:25 (4,968 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Check the bulky cycle. I'll bet it used a little more water

Post# 458245 , Reply# 53   8/21/2010 at 08:10 (4,968 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Excessive Fabric Wear and Tear

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On the subject of excessive fabric wear and tear imposed by top loading HE washers, I think by and large most users select the incorrect cycle and/or a longer washing time than required by the load being washed. I know I am guilty of this too. When I had my GE Harmony pair, I would frequently ramp up the soil level to the maximum because I felt that more was better. I began to notice towels fraying around the edges and shirts pilling out of control.

Painfully, over the years, I am getting used to the idea that less is more. I remember reading a report somewhere a while back that indicated that the majority of the soil in a load of laundry would be shifted in the first four minutes of agitation. Superior results would come from a short prewash followed by a short main wash rather than a long wash cycle alone. When I had my LG set, I used to always include a prewash with every cycle or my results would end up poor. That is, I would select a light soil level then add a prewash.

Listen to me ramble on....

Malcolm



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