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Post# 457638   8/17/2010 at 23:22 (4,993 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        

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So who's seen these before? A solid tub machine with an infinite water pressure switch??




Post# 457639 , Reply# 1   8/17/2010 at 23:27 (4,993 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
Ancient SQ secret

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I only ever saw one of these Shur Fil models before, that was in 1978.

Post# 457643 , Reply# 2   8/17/2010 at 23:32 (4,993 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
for Bob

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I know you want a close up of the timer ;-)

Post# 457653 , Reply# 3   8/18/2010 at 00:17 (4,993 days old) by wigwag (San Diego)        
interesting

Is that a canadian speed queen?

Post# 457655 , Reply# 4   8/18/2010 at 00:23 (4,992 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Fascinating! I can't wait to see how it works! :P

Post# 457708 , Reply# 5   8/18/2010 at 07:41 (4,992 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Hello Eddy! My 1967 Frigidaire Imperial had an infinite water level switch. It is done via a metering chamber. A small hose carries a percentage of the fill water straight from the fill flume down to a small container with a pressure switch. With the Frigidaire, the trade off was that the pump could not operate during the "lint away" overflow periods because if the pump were to come on, it would drain the metering chamber. This meant that unlike time fill Frigidaires that did not shut off the water during the rinse period, the 1967 Imperial filled for rinse, shut off the fill water and began agitating. A couple of timer clicks into the rinse, the fill water would start flowing again. but it was no where near as much of an overflow rinse as in time fill machines. Once I tried to reset the timer to repeat the overflow portion of the rinse and wound up filling the outer tub to the point that when it went to drain, the tub was dragging in the overflow water even before the water in the tub was spun out to the outer tub. So Not Good.

Some Norges used a metering basin also. I remember reading the Troubleshooting section in the owner's manual for one. Under "Machine will not fill" was the suggestion that the collector basin might still contain water from an incomplete or shortened spin. The solution was to set the timer for a final spin to let the water be pumped out so that the pressure switch would reset.


Post# 457716 , Reply# 6   8/18/2010 at 08:55 (4,992 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I bet it is a reversing motor model...

Post# 457746 , Reply# 7   8/18/2010 at 11:45 (4,992 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
It's a reversing motor

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You're right Peter. And Tom this one has a metering chamber at the back, separate from the outer tub. Unlike your Frigidaire, this model can keep the pump on during the agitation to do an overflow as the water in the chamber is isolated. At the pause before spin, a solenoid comes on that raises the plug and empties the chamber out into the drain tub. The other very cool feature is the bleach pump which has it's own little motor and injects the bleach via a fill at the 4 minute mark of the Normal cycle.

Post# 457766 , Reply# 8   8/18/2010 at 14:13 (4,992 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very nice, Eddy! I love that panel style - so very 70's. I wonder if this Simplicity had any connection to the vacuum cleaner company? Were there any other appliances with the Simplicity name on them there?

The very first Speed Queen solid tub washer I found was one of their last solid-tub but TOL. It had this metered fill system, I loved how during the emptying of the meter-tank, you could hear the water tinkle into the outer tub before it started to spin. The bleach-pump on mine was completely corroded away and had to be put out of it's misery when I found the machine.


Post# 457797 , Reply# 9   8/18/2010 at 15:40 (4,992 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Wow I didn't even know Speed Queen had tinkered with a solid-tub variable water level system at the end of its the solid-tub era.

Very fun find Eddy! It looks like its in beautiful shape.


Post# 457806 , Reply# 10   8/18/2010 at 16:13 (4,992 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Nice find Eddy

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Nice find Eddy!

Movi9ng day has come!

Cheers
Leon


Post# 457808 , Reply# 11   8/18/2010 at 16:20 (4,992 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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What is the difference in cycles between Regular Det. (detergent) and Regular Soap?



Post# 457817 , Reply# 12   8/18/2010 at 17:13 (4,992 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Would that be a warm water rinse for the soap?

Post# 457835 , Reply# 13   8/18/2010 at 18:59 (4,992 days old) by appnut (TX)        
For Bob

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Eddy thanks for your thoughtfulness and is greatly appreciated. You always do that for me!!

Such a fine, feature-laden sexy machine. Wasn't there another variable water level solid-tub SQ machine in the late 1950s--don't you have one in your collection?

On this machine, is there a cycle button description chart on the underside of the lid?




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Post# 457836 , Reply# 14   8/18/2010 at 19:03 (4,992 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

What a pretty machine, I love those stainless tubs. That is a very neat control panel.

My Beam designed Solid tub Simpson Fluid drive also has a fully variable fill, but it does it by filling the outer tub with water where it is measured by a pressure switch.

When it is full the two suds valves align themselves to redirect water into the wash tub rather than the drain hoses, the motor starts and it pumps the water into the tub.

When the weight switch on the tub detects enough weight in the tub, the wash then starts.

That is a great looking machine


Post# 457846 , Reply# 15   8/18/2010 at 19:39 (4,992 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Bob is right...I have a repair manual for SQ which covers several models, their one idea of a meter fill was using the drain hose as a water tower for the pressure switch....

I'll have to scan it in for you guys to see


Post# 457880 , Reply# 16   8/18/2010 at 23:22 (4,992 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
Toggles, ding ding!

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Steve is right, the regular soap gets a warm rinse, the regular detergent gets a hot wash cold rinse. Here are the instructions on the lid, the bottom part which I omitted is in French.

Greg, I've noticed Simplicity dishwashers, vacuums and I even saw a sewing machine once. Dishwashers were D&R. Never saw a fridge or stove though. Thankfully the bleach dispenser on mine works, but man is it loud.


Post# 457881 , Reply# 17   8/18/2010 at 23:23 (4,992 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
Oh, one more for you Bob

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My pleasure! This is the other side, close up.

Post# 457883 , Reply# 18   8/18/2010 at 23:40 (4,992 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Thank you very much Eddy. I do have a question. Was this considered the TOL for this Simplicity product line? If it was, I'm a little disappointed in the fact it only had brisk/fast and gentle/slow speed combinations, not a brisk/slow or gentle/fast set of speed combinations too. TOL SQs had the 4-speed combinations.

Post# 457884 , Reply# 19   8/18/2010 at 23:44 (4,992 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Another question--with the selectable on or off bleach option, did that mean one could put more tha a single wash load worth of bleach in the resevoir and select whether you want bleach or not for that particular load or was it still a case-by-case (load-by-load basis) and one added the bleach and turned on the option for just that single load?

Post# 457885 , Reply# 20   8/18/2010 at 23:54 (4,992 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Eddy1210, do find solid tubs are more plentiful in Canada? It's pretty tough to find one in these parts. Thanks for the cool pics of that SQ cousin. Is there any mention of McGraw Edison on your Simplicity? alr2903

Post# 457891 , Reply# 21   8/19/2010 at 00:16 (4,992 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
bleach pump

i found a bleach pump on a speed queen once-it was a nice SS
tub 1978 found at the dump in 1983(it was in really nice shape,
the spin belt was loose and glazed)The pump was an inline
oscillating plunger type like some carpet cleaners use.
The washer was stripped for certain parts at the dump,today
if i were to find that washer it would be added to collection
asap!
i have not seen a solid tub speed queen in many years-last ones
i saw in person were some mid-'60s ones at a laundromat in '89
-might be almost as rare as a solid tub hotpoint these days...


Post# 457894 , Reply# 22   8/19/2010 at 00:37 (4,991 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
TOL Simplicity

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Hi Bob, this was TOL Simplicity. That being said, I have never come across a Simplicity washer with a S/S tub. SQ drew the line, that was theirs only. Simplicity liked to use the push buttons as opposed to SQ's knobs, and sometimes like you noted, it doesn't give full flexibility. The bleach dispenser holds about a cup and a half of bleach and it only dispenses it during the regular cycle IF you push the Bleach button. If Bleach is Off, it remains in the reservoir but the water flush (replenishment) at the 4 minute mark still happens. So in other words, if you select bleach, everything in the bleach tube gets pumped into that one load.
alr2903, I wouldn't say the solid tubs are more plentiful here, but I've been lucky because Speed Queen (and of course Simplicity) were very popular brands in the 70's and 80's and many have survived even up to now. I found this one just browsing Craigslist. You will also find many Simplicity wringer washers here too, and this was their own design. On the nameplate, no mention of McGraw Edison, just Simplicity Products, Hespeler Ontario Canada.


Post# 457900 , Reply# 23   8/19/2010 at 01:12 (4,991 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Thanks Eddy1210, You have some very nice washers. arthur

Post# 458670 , Reply# 24   8/23/2010 at 09:51 (4,987 days old) by bendix99 ()        

simplisity is just another name for speed queen.you can tell because the agitator is the same as a speed queen

Post# 458818 , Reply# 25   8/23/2010 at 22:48 (4,987 days old) by djmjlcst (Bloomington, Illinois)        
SQ Infinite Water Fill

Hey Eddy, we had a mid-70's model SQ stainless steel solid tub washer with the infinite water level. We were fools to throw it to the curb when we kept having to replace the pump as it leaked every few years or so. That was before I discovered AW.org! Had I'd known about this club I would've kept the machine! Other than that it was a good machine and had the famous overflow rinse. Ours was harvest gold, just like your Simplicity machine. Judging from your agitator cap it looked like it either had a lint filter or fabric softener dispenser. Did you happen to get one with your machine? Great find! - Mike L.

Post# 458827 , Reply# 26   8/24/2010 at 00:11 (4,987 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
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Hi Mike, nice to hear that story, wonder why you had so many problems with your SQ pump leaking like that? They are normally very reliable. I hardly ever have one leak, and some of my pumps are original to the machine! Did you have hard water? My machine actually came with 2 fabric softener dispensers, the owners had lost the original one and ordered a replacement. Then a week later they found the lost one. So they gave me the one NIB too.

Post# 458913 , Reply# 27   8/24/2010 at 14:04 (4,986 days old) by bradross (New Westminster, BC., Canada)        
Simplicity / Speed Queen factory location in Canada

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Hello Eddy (and others!)...just thought I'd mention my Speed Queen SuperTwin has a manufacturer's plate showing "Speed Queen - Hespeler, Ontario, Canada". It would appear Simplicity took over the factory? IIRC McGraw-Edison was located in a different city.

Post# 459248 , Reply# 28   8/25/2010 at 21:36 (4,985 days old) by djmjlcst (Bloomington, Illinois)        
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Hey Eddy, we don't have hard water here in Bloomington, since our water comes from Lake Evergreen north of Normal. But we purchased the machine for $50.00 from a subdivision south of town that only had well water. I could tell the high iron content because the original agitator and rubber gasket around the rim had a rust color on it as well as the tub guard. After a time the rust disappeared since we have softer water here in town. Damn we should've kept that machine! We got the machine around 1985 or so and it was our 2nd washer next to our SQ HA700l. When we purchased the machine the lady said it would wash just fine but wouldn't spin. She had a repairman come look at it and said it couldn't be fixed so they ended up selling the set. After getting it home in the freezing cold winter weather we unloaded it and I filled it with hot water and let it sit to melt any ice in the lines since the machine was out in a unheated garage. Then after removing the front panel I found the problem. The cotter pin that attaches the motor to the fluid drive was seared off. I put a new one on and we had a perfectly functioning washer. I ended up having to replace the agitator cap and agitator since I broke them trying to pry the agitator off. We got brand new replacements from our local repair shop (for a price)! I also tightened the belt to the pump too tight and ended up breaking the motor shaft. Hard lesson learned here! For another $75.00 we had to purchase a new motor but after that it was fine until we replaced the 3rd pump then we decided to get rid of it and purchase a new SQ digital control model AWE931L in 1990. The lady was selling both the washer and dryer but we only purchased the washer since we already had good SQ dryers. - Mike L.

Post# 1110685 , Reply# 29   3/9/2021 at 10:24 (1,136 days old) by superbeebill (Ontario Canada)        
SQ

I have close to the same machine, no adjustable water level on mine however I've seen it on other machines. Mechanism operated by solenoids. motor spins in one direction. Been using it since late 80's. Needed a piece for it to keep it going, was able to obtain one locally, albeit for a Speed Queen, had to modify it slightly. that's what brought me here, i need to see what's out here.

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Post# 1110697 , Reply# 30   3/9/2021 at 12:30 (1,136 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Interesting that a warm or cold rinse is labeled Regular/Detergent (cold rinse) and Regular Soap (warm rinse.) I don't recall seeing it put that way on US machines. Ours always say Hot/Warm or Hot/Cold.

Extra points for the timed bleach dispenser as well! Gives the detergent time to do its job before adding chlorine to the wash water.

Cool machine!


Post# 1110700 , Reply# 31   3/9/2021 at 12:49 (1,136 days old) by bradross (New Westminster, BC., Canada)        
Soap vs. Detergent in Canada...

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@Frigilux I'm guessing the labels are like that perhaps because real soap flakes were used in Canada longer than the U.S. I remember my grandmother on the farm (and therefore, with a septic system) preferred to use soap flakes in her wringer washer, right up until the mid 1970s. She had some notion that detergent in the septic was not a good thing.

The brand she always used was "Maple Leaf" soap flakes, made by the Canada Packers corporation - a meat packing company! I'm guessing that fat from the meat processing was used to make the soap.


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Post# 1110719 , Reply# 32   3/9/2021 at 15:05 (1,136 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Yep, the meatpackers were looking to offload their tallow---though the soapmakers were more than happy to take it, why not just saponify it and earn from both ends of the reaction. Dial Soap was Armour's big win...Cudahy also played both sides of the equation.

Post# 1110759 , Reply# 33   3/9/2021 at 18:36 (1,136 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        

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This is the first solenoid controlled Simplicity I've seen! Most all were reversing motor models. Can I ask what part you needed to keep it going? I forgot all about this thread...


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