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| Post# 463212 , Reply# 1 9/13/2010 at 13:58 (4,971 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 463266 , Reply# 2 9/13/2010 at 19:41 (4,970 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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INDEXING MAYTAGS
The leveling of the machine wouldn't affect the likelihood of the tub indexing. MTs of this age will index with a heavy load and in fact it helps protect the clothes from even more damage from the badly designed agitator this machine has. The brake is not worn out but MT did upgrade the brake assembly to try to meet UL standards and replacing it may reduce the tendency for it to index. The best washing MT that I have ever had is my 1975 HA806 we put an orbital transmission in it and the load sensor agitator with the 50 cycle motor pulley its the only MT that I have ever used on a regular basis. At some point I am going to drill out all the holes in the bottom and sides of the tub and install the side tub mounted self cleaning lint filter that was used on the KM BD machines and modify the motor carriage with a pull back motor then the machine will even do a neutral drain. Doing these things should solve the lint and off balance problems that always plagued these machines. Its easy to see why MT was trying to run away from this machine in favor of the Norge and Amana { S Q ] they knew it was not the best performing machine. It was however one of the best built and most durable washers ever, its just to bad that they didn't improve what they had worked on for almost 50 years. But this is what happens when a company is run by a bunch of anti union Republicans.
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| Post# 463267 , Reply# 3 9/13/2010 at 19:50 (4,970 days old) by cphifer5115 (Jackson, TN) | ||
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| Post# 463284 , Reply# 4 9/13/2010 at 22:18 (4,970 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york) | ||
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My 1985 A712 indexed with all loads...some more than the others when I brought it...It needed a new brake package...the indexing stopped completely. | ||
| Post# 463287 , Reply# 5 9/13/2010 at 22:53 (4,970 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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MTs of this age will index with a heavy load
Naw, it's just a weak brake spring. They are constantly under pressure 24/7 and get weak from time/use. I have a '68 A806 with the original brake package and it doesn't index, even with higher than factory set water levels. do a neutral drain Neutral drain? 
Its easy to see why MT was trying to run away from this machine in favor of the Norge and Amana { S Q ] they knew it was not the best performing machine. You gotta be kidding me?! It's common knowledge that the Norge/Amana machines were the biggest pieces of garbage ever designed! ...helps protect the clothes from even more damage from the badly designed agitator this machine has. Jesus, not this crap again....... But this is what happens when a company is run by a bunch of anti union Republicans. This is the not the political forum. Take your political opinions to the dirty laundry forum. | ||
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Post# 463358 , Reply# 8 9/14/2010 at 10:29 (4,970 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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INDEXING MAYTAGS
You differently don't need the brake tool, all you need is a good strong large vicegripps and a hammer. You just grasp the edge of the old break assembly and give the vise-grip a whack and it should loosen, it will then unscrew by hand. I have truly never seen a bad brake assembly in a MT helical drive washer in over 40 years of working on MTs unless the lining come loose or wore completely away in which case you can hear the washer stop a block away. Then and only have I ever changed one, The steel springs do not become weak. MT did upgrade the breaking strength at some point so the new one may stop faster but even old WP BD washers indexed quite a bit before they went to thier fast brake system around 1970 and I never saw where this slight indexing hurt any thing. Its not like a WCI Franklin product where the tub actually builds up a little speed in one direction and starts to cause very poor turn over.
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Post# 463382 , Reply# 10 9/14/2010 at 12:41 (4,970 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ) |
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No matter how good your Ford runs, there's always someone to tell you to go buy a Chevy. Ken D. | ||
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Post# 463413 , Reply# 11 9/14/2010 at 14:56 (4,970 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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indexing | ||
| Post# 463443 , Reply# 12 9/14/2010 at 16:26 (4,969 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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indexing that is when the washtub rotates a bit during agitation, either back and forth in opposition to the agitator or ratcheting in one direction by design as with westinghouse and franklin washers-those two companies have claimed the indexing gives a scrubbing action against the washtub... | ||
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Post# 463456 , Reply# 13 9/14/2010 at 18:08 (4,969 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Norge and Amana?
The Norge designed Herrin built machines, Magic Chef, Performa, and the likes were decent enough, but the Amana washer was just plain trash. Yes, I've seen enough of them to make that statement!
If your Maytag is going to be used infrequently, I wouldn't worry about the tub indexing a bit during wash, it won't hurt a thing. | ||
| Post# 463460 , Reply# 14 9/14/2010 at 18:36 (4,969 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
those two companies have claimed the  | ||
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Post# 463491 , Reply# 16 9/14/2010 at 21:48 (4,969 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Bad design?
Wow! I think simplicity is the key to the design of the older Maytags. I have two of them now, a TOL and BOL model. Honestly they are both two of the best washers I have and that's comparing with a Kenmore beltdrive, a Westinghouse, a GM 1-18, and a GE Filter Flo. Maytag would definitely be my choice for a daily driver if I wasn't able to rotate my machines around. My tubs don't index unless there is a really heavy load in them such as blue jeans. Even then the indexing is mild at most. Otherwise there is just a slight knocking sound as the tub is being stopped by the brake.
The agitator does an excellent job in both of these machines, particularly the lint filter. There is no better lint filter for catching the tons of pet hair that goes in there. There's always a good amount of turnover as well so no complaints whatsoever. The only possible downfall would be the lack of an extra rinse. That's really it and that's not even that big of a deal. Whoever doesn't like an old Maytag please give yours to someone who can appreciate the true quality that went into those machines. :-) Jon | ||
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Post# 463624 , Reply# 18 9/15/2010 at 18:55 (4,968 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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INDEXING MAYTAGS | ||
| Post# 463674 , Reply# 20 9/16/2010 at 01:49 (4,968 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA) | ||
One of the biggest reasons the Herrin and Searcy washers were heavily produced is money. There was a bit of talk about Govt. energy standards and using materials that cost less energy wise to produce but the main reason was still money. It costs less to make a machine out of lighter metal and lots of plastic.
The Searcy Amanas (SAV's) were a problem child to begin with. The biggest issue being the poorly milled upper transmission shafts that spun out of round and knocked that crappy triple lip tub seal around. This, of course, cased leakage which trashed the tub bearing and also the spin bearing in the milkstool support. I've killed many SAV's for this as the repair entails replacing the transmission, tub seals and bearings and the whole milkstool tub support (this was later changed by making the spin bearing available separately) and STILL there was a possibility that the problem would reoccur (and frequently did). Also seeing quite a few go bye bye due to the milkstool support assy breaking at the spot welds due to light metal didn't help. This is the washer that helped kill Maytag's reputation in laundry but that's what you get when you buy a company and then demand that the cost to manufacture, per unit, be reduced by $30 - $70. The demise of a once proud line was assured. That being said, I don't have a large problem with the Herrin built Magic Chef/Norge laundry. It did what it was supposed to do. Fill a niche. Provide a machine with decent capacity, a range of features from basic to super fancy, and be available to consumers who may not have a ton of money to burn in their budget. Repair wise, they didn't have a abnormal amount of issues either. The thrust bearing/transmission pulley (which was upgraded to a new kit with only 2 moving parts for more reliability), the pumps (also upgraded and a better design) and the occasional bad transmission. As I always say, it's the devil you know... | ||
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Post# 463953 , Reply# 21 9/17/2010 at 21:42 (4,966 days old) by syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, MD) |
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...indexing problems...? ...throw it away, & get one of those new GE washers... | ||
| Post# 464295 , Reply# 22 9/19/2010 at 15:52 (4,964 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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There is no adjustment on the braking force of the brake assembly.
X2, the lug stop adjustment (1/4" - 3/8" play) doesn't affect brake performance. There is no vent hole in a MT transmission to worry about leaking oil out of. X2, although I believe the pre-helical transmissions had a vent hole. I've stored helical transmissions on their side and even upside down for years at a time with zero leakage. Don't try that with a Maytag wringer though! | ||
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Post# 464322 , Reply# 23 9/19/2010 at 18:39 (4,964 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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MAYTAG TRANSMISSIONS | ||
| Post# 464325 , Reply# 24 9/19/2010 at 18:49 (4,964 days old) by bobofhollywood () | ||
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the wringers do the wringers definitely do but it's not worth arguing with you about. | ||
| Post# 464350 , Reply# 25 9/19/2010 at 21:51 (4,964 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Post# 777850 , Reply# 27 8/17/2014 at 19:01 (3,536 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Indexing Tub MT
Some tub indexing is normal with this age MT, in the later production Helical Drive MTs they used a stronger brake and this brake will fit all MT HD washers from 1956-2006. But the reason for the stronger brake was not because of indexing but rather to help meet ULs safety standards. The slight indexing of a heavily loaded MT washer will NOT HURT ANYTHING and the indexing actually lessons the load on the washers motor.
Otherwise the looseness or wobble of your motor on its rollers sounds normal to me, I think you are getting about as good a wash from this washer as possible. John L. | ||
| Post# 777931 , Reply# 29 8/18/2014 at 09:49 (3,536 days old) by thefixer () | ||
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While the drive lug does not affect brake performance, if not adjusted properly, it can cause the brake to not be fully engaged during agitation and thus cause indexing. | ||
| Post# 777942 , Reply# 30 8/18/2014 at 11:17 (3,536 days old) by sel8207 (naples, florida 34117) | ||
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what's a drive lug? Novice to these types of repairs. Not sure what a drive lug is. Is is that strange looking washer on the very bottom after you take the rubber cap off? Will try looking it up. thanks much for the info and suggestion. Les. | ||
| Post# 777970 , Reply# 32 8/18/2014 at 13:34 (3,536 days old) by sel8207 (naples, florida 34117) | ||
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will try that Don't have the time right now, but am going to try to do that later on and see if it does anything. It still runs and clean fine. I don't think it hurts it to do that,(index), but when I look at the youtube videos online, the other similiar maytags are not indexing. thanks again. Les. | ||
| Post# 777972 , Reply# 33 8/18/2014 at 13:47 (3,536 days old) by sel8207 (naples, florida 34117) | ||
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light flickering Still can't figure out the light flickering issue. That is, the knob is pushed in and rotated clockwise to select which wash you want, and the fluorescent light goes on an off repeatedly (flickering) as you turn the knob. When it's pulled out, it stays on until the wash is complete. Les. | ||
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Post# 777990 , Reply# 34 8/18/2014 at 15:14 (3,536 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 778273 , Reply# 36 8/19/2014 at 22:09 (3,534 days old) by sel8207 (naples, florida 34117) | ||
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that is exactly what it is doing It's doing just that. I was just wondering if somebody else had this 806 model and theirs was behaving in a similar way. I don't have an operating manual for it. It's probably normal, I just don't know. Never had an appliance with a lighted console. Thanks much . Les | ||
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Post# 778531 , Reply# 38 8/21/2014 at 20:03 (3,532 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Brake Assembly For An A806 MT Washer
Yes the brake assembly will fit your washer from a newer helical drive MT washer [ all MT TL washers with two belts are technically helical drive washers ] The term helical drive comes from the helical cut in the bottom of the transmission input shaft and all above mentioned MT washers have this feature regardless of whether they have the earlier or later style transmission.
John L. | ||
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