Thread Number: 30714
Late 60's Kelvinator and Canadian Viking Washers
[Down to Last]

automaticwasher.org's exclusive eBay Watch:
scroll >>> for more items --- [As an eBay Partner, eBay may compensate automaticwasher.org if you make a purchase using any link to eBay on this page]
Post# 464224   9/19/2010 at 08:19 (4,966 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Does anyone have and information, photos, catalog brochure pictures or old videos of these cool washers?

I'd especially like the non-indexing tub, super-fast tub brake, turqoise, ten-vane "angel wing" agitator, non-ribbed perforated "giant tub" washer.

Also, the late 60's to 70's Gamble-Coronado and Gibson washers as well.





Post# 464286 , Reply# 1   9/19/2010 at 15:19 (4,966 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Does anyone own any of these washers? Anybody...any information...pics...etc

Post# 464297 , Reply# 2   9/19/2010 at 16:12 (4,966 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

qsd-dan's profile picture
There are a few youtube clips of late 50's Kelvintor washers in action, but I can't find any clips for the late 60's models.

Did they still use the same wash action on the late 60's models as the late 50's?


Post# 464303 , Reply# 3   9/19/2010 at 16:39 (4,966 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hey Dan, no I believe the later 60's Kelvinator washer design changed and they started using a giant capacity washtub and the ten vane agitator. The club named it the "angel wing" agitator.

Post# 464342 , Reply# 4   9/19/2010 at 20:41 (4,966 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Are these washers unpopular?

Post# 464345 , Reply# 5   9/19/2010 at 21:02 (4,966 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
franklin washers

once on a POD there was a "cutaway"illustration of a 1968 era
franklin washer,really enjoyed that as i had never seen a
franklin washer from that era-all the ones i have seen have
been the Ca.mid'70s up plastic tub ones.


Post# 464354 , Reply# 6   9/19/2010 at 22:12 (4,966 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Yeah, WCI shrank the capacities when they incorporated plastic tubs in their machines...that SUCKED!!! I thought plastic would be better...not. The porcelain steel or enamel tubs are better... IMOP.

Hopefully that 68' Franklin washer "cutaway" will be reposted.

Can we make request?


Post# 465609 , Reply# 7   9/26/2010 at 00:36 (4,960 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
searchalator

Just try "franklin"in the "searchalator"and that cutaway is
just a couple threads down.


Post# 465827 , Reply# 8   9/26/2010 at 21:39 (4,959 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Thanks alot cfz2882, I'll try that...BTW, what does "MW Franklin" stand for?

Post# 465830 , Reply# 9   9/26/2010 at 21:57 (4,959 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
MW

MW-montgomery wards. montgomery wards washers were made by
norge,westinghouse, and franklin.


Post# 465831 , Reply# 10   9/26/2010 at 22:00 (4,959 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Right...I'm searcing now.

Post# 465856 , Reply# 11   9/26/2010 at 22:27 (4,959 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
cutaway

lots of interesting details in that cutaway-round,apparently
stationary transmission,appears to be a clutch on the motor
shaft,two section turbine style pump.
Still has a lot of simularities to the later plastic tub
versions..


Post# 465904 , Reply# 12   9/27/2010 at 07:04 (4,958 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Cfz2882,

there are a few pictures, which one did the 68' Kelvinator use?

Since you are able to hold the indexing tub while it washes, do you it's possible to decrease the counter-clockwise stroke (degree)?


Post# 465908 , Reply# 13   9/27/2010 at 07:30 (4,958 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
KELVINATOR WASHERS

combo52's profile picture
I have one of the last real Kelvinator machines its from around 1966 or 1967. When WCI took over and went to the Franklin design it was a totally different machine . IT would fun to see one of these original machines run but it may be hard to find. Not only was production fairly low on these [ Montgomery Wards didn't ever sell these under thier name ] they also had major durability issues, we were throwing away almost ever one we saw in the early 1970s. But there is probably one sitting out there some where unused in a basement just waiting for us to find. To me this is what makes this hobby so much fun as almost everyone knows that an old car can be valuable but few people realize that old washers and dryers have any value to anyone.

Post# 466116 , Reply# 14   9/28/2010 at 00:59 (4,958 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

There's something about that turquoise "angel wing" fin agitator of the Franklin Kelvinator, Gibson, Coronado, etc. washer I just love.

Were the 68' to early 70's percelain enamel steel washtub's wide and deep?


Post# 466118 , Reply# 15   9/28/2010 at 01:17 (4,958 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

nmassman44's profile picture
They also made washers for WT Grant and sold washers under the Bradford name. I remember seeing them when I was a kid nd couldnt believe at how massive the capacity was in those machines. If I can recall Eddy in BC has or had a Viking version of the machine.

Post# 466119 , Reply# 16   9/28/2010 at 01:22 (4,958 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
angel wing agitator

The '89 franklin i recently got has a white angel wing agitator
-i like the look of it,though turquoise would be way cool!
Mine has a "bed of pins"style lint filter that slides out,but
i think the earier franklins may have had a trough style
filter a lot like that of a westinghouse.
running mine with bigger loads,the indexing decreased to about
60*,with the tub held the stroke is the same both directions
also the sound changes a bit:Rrrr Rrrr Rrrr indexing,
RrrRrrRrr tub held


Post# 466203 , Reply# 17   9/28/2010 at 15:28 (4,957 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Cfz2882,

Can you PLEASE take pics of your 89'franklin...control panel, agitator (MONEY SHOT)of course, agitator-in-tub, lint filter, etc.
I'm loving the fact the indexing decreases to a 60 degree stroke...that allows the angel wing fin agitator to work a little better...it would be PERFECT if the decrease was (30 degrees) increments.
I wonder how wide is your angel wing fin agitator base width... Eddy's Viking agitator was too small which was why it was not able to handle big washloads.
It really would be AWESOME if you could make a video. There aren't any videos of the angel wing fin agitator in action. Many would love to see that...and you never know someone in the club may have a spare TURQUOISE angel wing fin agitator lying around to sell or give away


Post# 466264 , Reply# 18   9/28/2010 at 23:39 (4,957 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Like...

roto204's profile picture
...so?

Post# 466265 , Reply# 19   9/28/2010 at 23:40 (4,957 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
And...

roto204's profile picture
...so?

These were awesome machines. Very cheaply made and rust-prone, but kick-butt washers that held a ton (and circulated the load). A very far cry from the apathetic plastic kin that came after.


Post# 466267 , Reply# 20   9/28/2010 at 23:41 (4,957 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Control panel

roto204's profile picture
Full:

Post# 466268 , Reply# 21   9/28/2010 at 23:42 (4,957 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Timer

roto204's profile picture
Cycles...temp controlled by cycle time. BOL. Cool pointer. And push-to-start!

Post# 466269 , Reply# 22   9/28/2010 at 23:44 (4,957 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Insignia

roto204's profile picture
Very groovy font. The tiny text above the red insignia says "Honesty without fear." Heh. :-)

Post# 466271 , Reply# 23   9/29/2010 at 00:08 (4,957 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
agitator

Yep,other than color that is the same agitator that is in mine
-rest of the machine is pretty close too..
Looks like your "kelvinator"franklin is from around 1975-80?
when i get my camera figured out i'll try to get some pics
of my '89 wards up-still in nice cosmetic shape,it's a nice
looking machine.


Post# 466472 , Reply# 24   9/30/2010 at 00:04 (4,956 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Thanks for the pics Roto204, did you save any parts of your Kelvinator? What cause the final break down...weren't able to replace or repair the part? What washer that you own with the largest capacity could you compare the Kelvinator to in similar tub size (TALL and WIDE)? Do you remember the agitation OPM and spin RPM speeds?

Cfz2882, I'm looking forward to those pics. So, is your 89' Franklin control panel similar in style? Is it a TOL, MOL or BOL model? What about you, do know the washer's wash OPM and spin RPM speeds? Does your 89' Frankln washer hold alot of clothes also? Can you PLEASE tell me how tall and wide is you angel wing fin agitator and agitator base size? I have an idea that will increase the angel wing fin agitator TURNOVER power.


Post# 466839 , Reply# 25   10/2/2010 at 02:00 (4,954 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

During what time did Kelvinator Franklin washers use non-indexing washtubs? When were the porcelain enamel steel tubs switched to plastic? And, they ever use white, porecelain enamel tubs?

Post# 467336 , Reply# 26   10/4/2010 at 20:38 (4,951 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
opm and rpm

timed and tached my franklin today;
-OPM 67-68
-RPM: 520,about the same as a WP/KM BD or a westinghouse
-the BDs do have a larger diameter tub,westys might too,
increasing the centrifugal force exerted on the clothes..
actually load did seem spun out fairly well despite the
low spin rpm-kinda tempted to take a spun load out of the
franklin and respin them in my little splendide combomatic
(1200rpm,IIRC)and see if it spins out any more water...
Could increase the rpm by putting on a larger motor pulley
but during agitation the tub might build up enough speed
indexing with a light load to hold the load outward,
away from the agitator...
more info coming up when i get the chance to take measurements


Post# 467367 , Reply# 27   10/4/2010 at 22:23 (4,951 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        
AWESOME!!!

I often wondered how large were the Kelvinator plastic tub diameter...And, I'll tell you about my idea to help increase the turnover power of the angel-wing fin agitator.

Post# 467454 , Reply# 28   10/5/2010 at 10:42 (4,950 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

petek's profile picture
Here's some Eatons Viking machines
1976


Post# 467455 , Reply# 29   10/5/2010 at 10:44 (4,950 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

petek's profile picture
twin tubs


Post# 467456 , Reply# 30   10/5/2010 at 10:45 (4,950 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

petek's profile picture
dishwasher


Post# 467457 , Reply# 31   10/5/2010 at 10:51 (4,950 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

petek's profile picture
More dishwasher


Post# 467474 , Reply# 32   10/5/2010 at 12:49 (4,950 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
GE products

It's obvious the full size washer and dryer are GE-Hotpoint, and it looks like the compact range may be also. Are the dishwashers GE also?

Post# 467481 , Reply# 33   10/5/2010 at 13:07 (4,950 days old) by ingliscanada ()        
Viking Through the Years

Viking was a product of Eaton's, a now defunct Canadian department store chain. Through the 60's, Viking was make by Franklin, then switched to GE for the 70's.

Gary


Post# 467503 , Reply# 34   10/5/2010 at 15:05 (4,950 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I like the Franklin Viking washer from the late 60's...Gibson/Kelvinator style...one thing very wrong was it's extra deep and narrow washtub did not have a strong enough 'angel wing fin' agitator to pull the clothes down from the top of the tub...the agitator base was too small in diameter and the lower vanes were very narrow.

Does anyone know how big the early 70's porcelain enamel steel tubs were (capacity cu.ft)?

Too bad there aren't any Franklin non-indexing transmission around that can be swapped into the current washers.


Post# 467504 , Reply# 35   10/5/2010 at 15:07 (4,950 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Thanks for the great scans Petek.

Post# 467860 , Reply# 36   10/7/2010 at 09:57 (4,948 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Local

For sale in my town. I used one of these washer in a house I cleaned. It was called Gibson there but it was just a Westy at heart.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO mixfinder's LINK on Yakima Craigslist




This post was last edited 10/07/2010 at 12:02
Post# 467867 , Reply# 37   10/7/2010 at 11:13 (4,948 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Twin tubs

vacbear58's profile picture
Great scans Pete.

The Supertwin is obviously a Speed Queen, but am who manufactured the "Imperial"? And a 30 MINUTE spin timer??????
According to the ad it would spin clothes to bone dry. Can you imagine what the creasing would have been like? Would not like to face a load like that no matter how good the iron!
Al


Post# 468548 , Reply# 38   10/11/2010 at 16:11 (4,944 days old) by ingliscanada ()        
Non-Indexing Franklins?

What's this I hear about non-indexing Franklins with a tub brake. Never knew there was such a thing.

Gary


Post# 468614 , Reply# 39   10/11/2010 at 20:21 (4,944 days old) by bobbins (Victoria, BC, Canada)        

Yes I remember those 1960's Viking Franklin washers made with non-indexing tubs. Great machines and I agree about the agitator design was not great for washing. They had huge capacity (much more than the GE 18 lbs).

In the 1970's up to early 2000 - Viking washers and Dryers were made by GE. They were mainly the 18lbs capacity with a filter flow. In the 1970's and 80's, the only real difference between GE and Viking was the lid hinge (design like the Hotpoint).

However, their dishwashers were maybe by WCI - What a piece of crap...when they worked they were ok....but the pumps always leaked, drain solenoids burn out, drain springs seem to caused a lot of grief too. (The Viking dishwashers were similar to the Westinghouse dishwashers - both worked opposite to the GE's dishwasher - where the solenoid stays activated during the whole wash cycle and deactivates during the drain). This puts a lot of strain on the solenoid and spring. In the 1980's Eaton's Viking dishwashers were manufactured by GE.

Bob


Post# 469384 , Reply# 40   10/14/2010 at 21:12 (4,941 days old) by ingliscanada ()        
Franklin or Another Company?

I wonder if the non-indexing tub Vikings with tub brake was actually built by Franklin, or another company. I saw a post of this a year or two back, and the washer actually resembled a Maytag. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Gary


Post# 469405 , Reply# 41   10/14/2010 at 22:50 (4,941 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Hi Harry

roto204's profile picture
Thanks for the pics Roto204, did you save any parts of your Kelvinator?

No, nothing was saved.

What cause the final break down...weren't able to replace or repair the part?

It was stuck at the curb because we wanted something else to play with, and had no idea at the time how rare these are :-). In all fairness, though, it was so BOL that many a time was spent filling the tub with warm water at the 12-minute mark, and then spinning the timer back around to the 14-minute segment otherwise assigned to "hot."

What washer that you own with the largest capacity could you compare the Kelvinator to in similar tub size (TALL and WIDE)?

Hard to compare--like a thinner Norge. Not very deep--very similar to a ramped Westinghouse tub.


Post# 469500 , Reply# 42   10/15/2010 at 15:07 (4,940 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

How about compared to a 'deep tub' 806 or 712 Maytag washer?

Is that a late 60's, early 70's Westinghouse washer tub? Or, the 80's washtub, which are small capacities.

I would really love to see the wash action of the later 'angel wing' finned agitator...I believe the agitator base size is larger which is why the turnover is much better.

If you cut out ' 5" flexing slits' in the lower 5 vanes, it will increase the rollover ability 50% stronger.


Post# 469507 , Reply# 43   10/15/2010 at 15:28 (4,940 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Speed Queen and "Imperial" Twin Tubs

macboy91si's profile picture
The Speed Queen is actually a British design from the Servis company. Made here, but is essentially a 110v Servis SuperTwin sans heater.

The other twin-tub is a Japanese unit that was also sold under the Toshiba name, it was an "automatic" twin tub with some interesting features like overflow rinsing in the wash tub. It could use more water than any automatic in it's "automatic" cycle. This design is sort of still around in the Danby DTT-420 still sold today, just look at the wash tubs and the pump setups are the same to allow water to enter the pump from a chamber in the right-rear corner of the tub.

-Tim



Forum Index:       Other Forums:                      



Comes to the Rescue!

The Discuss-o-Mat has stopped, buzzer is sounding!!!
If you would like to reply to this thread please log-in...

Discuss-O-MAT Log-In



New Members
Click Here To Sign Up.



                     


automaticwasher.org home
Discuss-o-Mat Forums
Vintage Brochures, Service and Owners Manuals
Fun Vintage Washer Ephemera
See It Wash!
Video Downloads
Audio Downloads
Picture of the Day
Patent of the Day
Photos of our Collections
The Old Aberdeen Farm
Vintage Service Manuals
Vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher to sell?
Technical/service questions?
Looking for Parts?
Website related questions?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy
Our Privacy Policy