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Post# 473648   11/6/2010 at 09:45 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        

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It just jumped in the back of the car.





Post# 473649 , Reply# 1   11/6/2010 at 09:47 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
can you guess what it is yet.

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Post# 473650 , Reply# 2   11/6/2010 at 09:49 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
This might help.

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Post# 473651 , Reply# 3   11/6/2010 at 09:50 (4,891 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
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I am so pleased you got it!!!!!

Well done matey!

Chain it up, lock it away and for christ sakes dont let your Dad bin it!

Fab!


Post# 473652 , Reply# 4   11/6/2010 at 09:52 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Post# 473654 , Reply# 5   11/6/2010 at 09:58 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Ho, don’t worry about that, I now have a garrison set up with guards and a big dog it’s about 20 stone.

The soap draw. The first of the thinks to do, re-spray around the unit.



Post# 473655 , Reply# 6   11/6/2010 at 10:01 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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The enamel drum, which is in mint condition.

Post# 473656 , Reply# 7   11/6/2010 at 10:03 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Looking back from inside.

Post# 473657 , Reply# 8   11/6/2010 at 10:05 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Back of the drum

Post# 473658 , Reply# 9   11/6/2010 at 10:10 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Now the timer is a bit of a surprise to me, it’s not what I was expecting at all, twin motor unit and sadly it dose not make the clicking sound, but this is an older model than what I had before.

Post# 473659 , Reply# 10   11/6/2010 at 10:14 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Speed module fitted behind options switches.
Look at those old type of transistors.


Post# 473660 , Reply# 11   11/6/2010 at 10:16 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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The motor, with a round din plug and screw in brushes.

Post# 473661 , Reply# 12   11/6/2010 at 10:19 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Motor runs perfectly, with that sound you cant mistake as a Hotpoint.

Post# 473662 , Reply# 13   11/6/2010 at 10:22 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Drain pump which maybe a replacement, works fine and is whisper quite.

Post# 473663 , Reply# 14   11/6/2010 at 10:26 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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And has always I couldn’t wait to setup the garden hose and plug her in.
After driving for nearly 6hrs I just could not leave it, and my hair has not gone curly so that’s O.K.


Post# 473664 , Reply# 15   11/6/2010 at 10:32 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Down loading some of the first videos now, so will be online in a few hours time, you can see the outcome of the first test.

Photo from inside of that longed for purple door; I can’t quite believe I have one at last.

My youtube link.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO hotpoint95622's LINK


Post# 473666 , Reply# 16   11/6/2010 at 11:01 (4,891 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Congratulations! That's a nice machine :)

But now, can you answer a coupe of questions?
Why did the timer have two motors?
And what is that spring mechanism near the pulley in the second last photo? Thank you!


Post# 473668 , Reply# 17   11/6/2010 at 11:41 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Two motors on the timer.

First one turns the sub-interval cams, tumble direction and tumble lengths.

Second one turns the main cam barrel.

The spring mechanism is the pecker, which is part of the door interlock.
If the drum is rotating in any direction the pecker will be pushed away by the belt on the pulley which in turn stops the door release button from operating the lock, it's all to do with resistance in the cable, like the breaks on your peddle cycle.


Post# 473669 , Reply# 18   11/6/2010 at 11:45 (4,891 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
dual timer motors

i am thinking one motor drives the program timer while the
other one drives the switch for forward/reverse tumble action?
good that there are plenty of cool vintage washers over in
the U.K. and europe too!


Post# 473671 , Reply# 19   11/6/2010 at 11:49 (4,891 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
"pecker"

thanks for explaning that "pecker"against the belt-that was
a real mystery!


Post# 473673 , Reply# 20   11/6/2010 at 12:07 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Jobs to do:-

Good cleaning required
Door chrome needs cleaning, it also pitted, and I’m not sure how to go about this
Paint job around the soap draw
Paint job around the kick strip and under carriage
New door seal required as the one on it has stick rubber syndrome
That bit of a leak, the pressure vessel has split and the seal around the heater also, again I’m not sure how to go about the pressure vessel.
Small amount of rust around the lip of the outer tub where the door seal is seated

Not to bad for some 35 years of age.

Will down load some photos of the above jobs tomorrow.


Post# 473676 , Reply# 21   11/6/2010 at 13:09 (4,891 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Echoing Robs thoughts

Hi Lee.

I am also really pleased that you succeeded in acquiring this machine, knowing how much you wanted one.

Everything was crossed and I am over the moon that it has found a safe home and will be able to take pride of place next to your superb 18680 and storming 95622.

You have beaten myself and Rob to it, as we still havent plugged or plumbed ours in yet - cant wait!

Lovely to see some purple in action and really interesting to see the technical differences between your 1851/03 and our 1828/02 - I cant remember my timer, but would assume it is different to yours.

My planned laundry Saturday is postponed till next weekend BUT, subject to everything working out, should be in a position to bring something else back from the North West.

Congratulations on acquiring a superb machine and have fun tinkering to get it in top notch form.

2010 has been a momentus year!
Paul





Post# 473677 , Reply# 22   11/6/2010 at 13:13 (4,891 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
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All the tiny Christmas lights blinkin' off & on-- so much detail, so much stuff, and then the lightening spin, and now the pecker. I'm off to pedal now. Thanks.

Post# 473687 , Reply# 23   11/6/2010 at 14:21 (4,891 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thank you Rob and Paul, I’ve just been to give the guard dog a piece of cheeses, only a small bite as I want him to be hungry for skip lorry drivers.

More tomorrow.


Post# 473700 , Reply# 24   11/6/2010 at 15:17 (4,891 days old) by HooverJames ()        
Congratulations!!!

Hi Lee,

Congratulations on getting your Hotpoint "Libby" De Luxe!

Thank's for the pic's of that rare enamel inner drum. I had an inkling that there would be a different design at the back of it to the later classic stainless steel ones. The motors in all of the Hotpoint designed Liberator's built before 1978 were made by EMD and made a slightly different sound and ran at 750rpm to the GEC motors that were inside all of the post 1978 machines because of the new 1000rpm model 1848, so the later 1827's and basic machines had a downrated GEC motor that ran at 800rpm unlike Paul and Rob's which has the same motor as yours.

Congrats, James.


Post# 473701 , Reply# 25   11/6/2010 at 15:33 (4,891 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Great machine, my nan used to have the same one with the purple door before she got a newer model (still vintage though)

Sounds to be in great condition as well as looks apart from the little wee's it keeps having! :)


Post# 473718 , Reply# 26   11/6/2010 at 17:12 (4,891 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
Wow

Lee

Great machine, bet she will look fantastic when you cleaned her up. I did not know that this model had a enamel drum.

It just goes to show they made them great in the good olden days, lol.

Cheers

Paul


Post# 473733 , Reply# 27   11/6/2010 at 19:59 (4,891 days old) by TWINKYTWINY ()        

HI NICE MACHINE THESE SEEM TO BE POPPING UP ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ONE LAST WEEK WAS NICE BUT YRS WELL IM BOWLED OVER TO CLEAN THE CROME ROUND THE DOOR .GET A OLD SAUCER PUT ON IT A GOOD FEW DROPS OF BRASSO AND THEN SOME TCUT MIX THEM TOGETHER AND RUB WITH COTTON WOOL WAIT FOR IT TO DRY BUFF UP .THEN POLISH WITH ORDINARY CAR WAX BRING IT UP LIKE A MIRROR BABE KIND REGARDS TT

Post# 473759 , Reply# 28   11/7/2010 at 03:29 (4,891 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Morning Lee,

Congratulations from me, Gary and Mathew, (all down in Saltash for another vanload!!!...LOl)

Really glad you got it, you`ve waited long enough and here it is...the drum looks mint straight from the 1600 series, cant wait too see vids etc... would be interested how it performs when spinning given the drum must weigh heavier than the later metal ones!!!

And we`ve just noticed the circuit board is located next to the timer on top which is different...Ohhh a very interesting machine!!!

Do you you need a dryer?? if so phone Crewe...LOL just joking boys...

Phone me, I have a spare, cant let a machine like that not have a playmate!!!


Cheers, from Keymatic Central!!!, Mike


Post# 473761 , Reply# 29   11/7/2010 at 03:44 (4,891 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Just noticed the drum looks very much like the Creda version with the bulks solid struts where the drum baffles meet the backplate!!!

Do the baffles taper to the front of the drum like the EE ones did?? or is that tricks of the light??

Cheers, Mike


Post# 473777 , Reply# 30   11/7/2010 at 07:04 (4,891 days old) by 74simon ()        
Well done Lee,

It's a great feeling to get something you suspected you'd never find! It does look very smart, even before cleaning. is the pressure vessel soft plastic? Wonder if you could fix it with automotive radiator hose tape or something.

Have fun sorting her out!

Si


Post# 473781 , Reply# 31   11/7/2010 at 07:50 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thank you to every one, I’m still pinching myself.

Circuit board, yes while it was lying on its back in the car I thought, bloody hell where is the speed module gone, how am I going to find a replacement, then on closer inspection I could not find the wiring down there, where I was expecting it to be.

When the back came off I found some more things I was not expecting, PCB at the back of the options switches, and the timer is a monster with two motors and no thermo stop solenoid. Just noticed that there are no springs at the top, just the three dampers at the bottom, which float relay well.

The baffles are the same the full length front to back, my thoughts when picking up this machine where what condition would it be in, luckily it’s mint, not a chip anywhere.

Matching dryer, I would love to have one, but it’s the age old thing of not having the room at the moment to accommodate one.

So on with the show, spent the morning stripping down and cleaning. Photo of the PCB, it’s rather a simply no nonsense one.


Post# 473782 , Reply# 32   11/7/2010 at 07:51 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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The timer, top view.

Post# 473783 , Reply# 33   11/7/2010 at 07:54 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Timer, back view.
At some point in the re-build I’m going to have to lubricate the cams as the unit is hard to turn and I don’t like forcing it round.


Post# 473785 , Reply# 34   11/7/2010 at 08:01 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Now for the problems.
First the bed wetting.
The pressure vessel has split, I have thought of perhaps injecting silicon into the cracks or using the rubber patches in a cycle puncture repair kit.
Can any one make any suggestions, perhaps you have fixed this sort of problem before, and one thing is for certain I can’t buy a replacement.


Post# 473786 , Reply# 35   11/7/2010 at 08:04 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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The dreaded rust.
The front panel has had the brunt of it, big re-paint required.
Back side.



Post# 473787 , Reply# 36   11/7/2010 at 08:05 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Top side.

Post# 473788 , Reply# 37   11/7/2010 at 08:06 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Main front panel.
None of the corrosion is deep, just surface rust.


Post# 473789 , Reply# 38   11/7/2010 at 08:09 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Options switches haven been spared the usual crumbly syndrome, just faded in the sun.

Post# 473791 , Reply# 39   11/7/2010 at 08:12 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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The outer tub is also in great shape except for a little rusting around the lip which a can clean and put some bath enamel on to preserve it from any more decay.



Post# 473792 , Reply# 40   11/7/2010 at 08:15 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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That it for now, visitors have arrived.
The cleaned door.
Still some light pitting in place, suppose that’s what comes with age, a few winkles and age spots.


Post# 473810 , Reply# 41   11/7/2010 at 10:02 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Her new rest home with the youngsters.

Post# 473811 , Reply# 42   11/7/2010 at 10:08 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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More of the water leak.
Heater and pressure vessel.


Post# 473812 , Reply# 43   11/7/2010 at 10:12 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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That famous timer program knob.

Post# 473813 , Reply# 44   11/7/2010 at 10:14 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Well that it for now, till I find time to make a start on the paint job, order a new door boot and fix that leak.

Post# 473854 , Reply# 45   11/7/2010 at 14:53 (4,890 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Lee.

I have just updated my spreadsheet with your name against model 1851/03!
You got your head around owning one yet? Its freaky aint it - I still do a double take when I see our 1828/02 and touch it to make sure its real. lol.

Piccies are great and I find it intersting to note the differences between your machine and our development of it.

Keep the piccies coming and I cant wait to see the one of the 18680, 95622 and your put back together again 1851/03!

Again - congrats on the new purchase.
paul


Post# 473856 , Reply# 46   11/7/2010 at 15:02 (4,890 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Not yet, keep going out to the garage to make sure it is the real deal.
I have ordered the door boot and made some inquires for the enamel paint for that small patch on the lip of the outer tub, it will also come in for the 18680 which also has the same small patch in the same place, its for repairing cast iron baths.

Just that rubber pressure vessel, what to do with that????


Post# 473857 , Reply# 47   11/7/2010 at 15:06 (4,890 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Not being techinically minded....

...but could a later 18series or 95series pressure vessel work on the 1851/03?

Below is a piccy of our 18361 in the throes of repair...


Post# 473895 , Reply# 48   11/7/2010 at 18:54 (4,890 days old) by bertrum ()        
pressure pot

Hi
nice old machine.
with regard the pressure pot, masterpart still sell them 161832 £16.37 and in stock.
Amazing the parts still available for this old machine.


Post# 474015 , Reply# 49   11/8/2010 at 12:25 (4,889 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thank you bertrum

I have sent an e-mail; I can’t get passed the home page of the website as I don’t have an account. See weather I can sign up.



Post# 474189 , Reply# 50   11/9/2010 at 12:38 (4,888 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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I must be looking in the wrong place, www.masterpart.com... have responded to my e-mail “we no longer supply this part, try Hotpoint direct” which also say it’s an obsolete part.

So will try the silicon first and if that doesn’t work I will try the rubber cycle patches.



Post# 474204 , Reply# 51   11/9/2010 at 14:07 (4,888 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Hello LEE


Congrats on your drive and sheer bloody determination to get this machine form the git who had it.

It is to his advantage that you have the skills to restore and service this machine up to spec.

It will look brilliant in you collection, maybe some barbed wire to cordon off that area :-)

now i had an outlet pipe on an old Hoover twin tub that had cracked and was shagged......

I got from a tyre fitting place some liquid rubber (they use it for sealing tyres on rims), painted it on let it dry and painted on some more and this did the trick, it is highly volatile this stuff and gets you high as kite if your not careful but that worked

On the other hand i cannot see why any of the silicon rubber sealants woudn't do the job either

Anyways glad you got it and now your life is complete well you wont be wanting any more machines will you :-) LOL

Gary



Post# 474219 , Reply# 52   11/9/2010 at 15:30 (4,888 days old) by bertrum ()        
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Hi
according to there website its in stock but I think they need to update there system, not for the first time. Im not going mad, check out this screen shot!


Post# 474338 , Reply# 53   11/10/2010 at 09:00 (4,887 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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I have a bit of a sore head, the fecking up and over garage door spring and cables snapped as my hand left it in the up position, it smacked down on my head and the spring shatters into three pieces. Barstewarded.

To day I have spent some time working on the option switch as the auto prewash and gentle action switches worked but are a bit sticky and would stay locked in and the rinse hold one would not lock in at all, OMG what a pig when you have them apart it’s so difficult to aligned the small spring mechanism at the back, but all work now.


Post# 474346 , Reply# 54   11/10/2010 at 11:02 (4,887 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Lee

Thank god there wasnt any richochet damage to the machines! Phew!
oh......and glad you are in one piece still too.


Braver person than me in detaching the buttons. I have seen the springs and they are very small. The mere sight of the spring arrangement has always resulted in me working round them in situ and thankfully all the 18s we own have had fully operational (or there abouts) buttons.

If you want to try and get the white button a bit cleaner, i used Astonish cook ware paste. Me and Rob, Mathew and Gary all use it and, so long as you water the paste down to within an inch of its life, it doesnt do any damage. Its what I used to clean the bodyshells of both Hoover 3236H and the Hotpoint 1828/02 with (amongst the many!).

Just to reitterate, you must get it to a very foamy, very watery liquid consistency or else it will be too abrasive and will do damage to the enamel.

Liking the buttons - they have retained their colour shades really rather well.

Paul


Post# 474348 , Reply# 55   11/10/2010 at 11:03 (4,887 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

In all seriousness, I hope your head is OK after the garage door attack.

Paul


Post# 474386 , Reply# 56   11/10/2010 at 13:18 (4,887 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Lee thank christ you are only injured enough so you cant go to work but are still just able to leave your sick bed and do the important things :-) yah poor lad keep up the good work

Post# 474402 , Reply# 57   11/10/2010 at 14:38 (4,887 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Yes, if the garage door wasn’t doing its sterling work of keeping my machines safe it would have had a fist and a boot put thought it, the air was very blue for some time, even the dogs run for cover, it’s done this to me before, last time the runners broke away from the frame and took me with it, anyway back to work tomorrow oh what a bore.

The new door seal has arrived, so that’s another part ready for the re-build. Thanks Paul for the cleaning tip, will try the very weak solution on the rebuild.



Post# 474405 , Reply# 58   11/10/2010 at 15:11 (4,887 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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No no Lee

I read the tea leaves and your going to be dizzy and have headaches tomorrow, best have another day off to be sure your ok.
Maybe do some light therapeutic work to keep your self occupied ;-)


Post# 474484 , Reply# 59   11/11/2010 at 12:53 (4,886 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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No way, the committee where all at home today, much quieter time at work; I spent most of the day in the store making out a stationery order. If I stayed at home I would have been nagged to within an inch of my life, it started first thing this morning about not having a shave for the last few days, Christ I hate shaving, so that made my mind up I’m off to work.

Post# 474524 , Reply# 60   11/11/2010 at 14:20 (4,886 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

I havent shaved since last week!

Am trying to muster the energy to go and dig out the razor. I HATE shaving too.

Paul
p.s any more 1851/03 tinkering news?


Post# 474539 , Reply# 61   11/11/2010 at 17:18 (4,886 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Ha and if you dont shave my dearest you will be on the settee this weekend!

I did not fall in love with my father in law! il be damned if im spending time with his lookilikie.

*shudders*





Post# 474949 , Reply# 62   11/14/2010 at 06:10 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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This morning I have had a play with that pressure pot, this may work or may be a complete disaster, I have made a moulding out of cardboard threaded a length of wire thought the outlet tube and placed the cardboard in the main inlet, then injected silicon into the body of the pot till the silicon came out around the main inlet, it also seeped out of the many cracks in the rubber, the seepage was then rubbed around the body of the tub to ensure all where filled.

If this works the pressure switch will have to be fine-tuned for the water level.


Post# 474950 , Reply# 63   11/14/2010 at 06:12 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Not very attractive.

Post# 474951 , Reply# 64   11/14/2010 at 06:19 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Now for the suspension, left-hand side, two dampers. Both in good order.
Dam arachnids have moved in, I hate anything with more than four legs more than shaving. And yes I have shaved today.


Post# 474952 , Reply# 65   11/14/2010 at 06:23 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Right-hand side just the one damper.

Post# 474953 , Reply# 66   11/14/2010 at 06:27 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Undercarriage. And that massive block of concrete.

Post# 474955 , Reply# 67   11/14/2010 at 06:30 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Self levelling wheels and the dreaded rust.

Post# 474958 , Reply# 68   11/14/2010 at 06:45 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Kick strip, more rust, most likely from washing the kitchen floor with an old cotton mop with a metal head, scratching the paint.

Post# 474960 , Reply# 69   11/14/2010 at 06:50 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Nice navy blue.

Post# 474963 , Reply# 70   11/14/2010 at 07:04 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Cleaned out the soap draw housing.

Post# 474964 , Reply# 71   11/14/2010 at 07:08 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Will give it another going over when the re-build commences and get rid of the grey primer..

Post# 474969 , Reply# 72   11/14/2010 at 07:20 (4,884 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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I have found a local powder coat specialist firm just down the road so will take the consol panel and see how much they will charge to strip, treat and re-coat the panels for me as I think this is to much for me to do myself with my armature spraying skills not up to a standard for such a classic machine.


If it’s not to expensive I may consider having the 18680 spruced up too.

They carrier out powder coating and also spray painting.


Post# 474976 , Reply# 73   11/14/2010 at 08:14 (4,883 days old) by HooverJames ()        

Hi Lee,

Nice to see you're getting well stuck in now. The pressure pot is probably well fixed now by the looks of it, it's very handy to try and fix parts first before splashing out on new ones.

I can't wait til my classic Hotpoint is delivered.

Looking good, James


Post# 475010 , Reply# 74   11/14/2010 at 11:51 (4,883 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Lee.

She is keeping you busy then!


Your machines kickstrip looks a lot lighter blue than the shade on the 1701 and 1828.
Looks like they went darker for the follow on series.

Mike has done a lovely spray job on his 1509/10 toploader, using Citroen Midnight Blue car paint.
Yesterday saw me hunting through Halfords and couldnt find Citroen, but could find Peugeot Midnight blue a can of which has been procured for future use.
I am sure the shade you require can be found in Halfords too.

When you get the facia sorted, just reitterate to the sprayers that the silver facia is to be preserved at all costs.
From previous experience, the facia stickers are very difficult to remove without kinking or creasing them.
The silverness also flakes off too.

Nothings ever simple in life.

paul


Post# 475012 , Reply# 75   11/14/2010 at 11:52 (4,883 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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OI! spiders are good mates to have, they eat all the other rotten gits around i would rather have spiders in the house than wasps!

Shaving
I havent havent shaved for over two weeks i have a full beard which is rapidly turning me into a mad rasputin lookalike......no good points other than it keeps me face warm at work.

Restoration
You said in another thread that we are so alike well i totally agree, your thinking on how to solve problems is like mine practical and hands on and a bit have-a-go harry ;-) so i can only applaud you on your approach and efforts so far to get this classic machine back to its former glory, i reckon you will do it aswell ;-) now here is possibly another place for Paul and his pot of Astonish polish to visit ;-), coz like i said before after i have spent a lot of time restoring the mechanics on a machine i am too fagged out to clean it all up.

Keep it up
Gary

Ps we are also alike on the give a good kicking approach to things that annoy us ;-)


Post# 475013 , Reply# 76   11/14/2010 at 11:53 (4,883 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
Lee

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Congratulations on getting such a superb machine, your thread has kept me very entertained!!

P.S. I never shave, keep the stubble down to a minimum with clippers once a week.


Post# 475027 , Reply# 77   11/14/2010 at 12:19 (4,883 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thanks folks for the words of encouragement, I’m finding this restoration very therapeutic and most enjoyable.

Silver facia is to be preserved at all cost, you mean this, and it was only stuck on in the smallest of patches and was easily removed with a kitchen spatula with out kinking or creasing it, it seem sound with no flaking or cracking, it will be re-attached with some double sided tape after the repaint.

Lee


Post# 475032 , Reply# 78   11/14/2010 at 12:25 (4,883 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Great stuff Lee.

I have a knackered facia from a 1701 dryer, with a quarter of the facia loose from the facia plate. I have managed to work it off so far, but now it has stopped playing play ball and I have bottled it.

Kitchen spatula eh. Will give it a whirl.

Cant wait to see the results of the proffessional facia respray. The piccy below shows the knackered 1701 facia plus a spare 1828 facia, both of which need respraying.

Paul


Post# 475041 , Reply# 79   11/14/2010 at 12:33 (4,883 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Forgot to mention, some chap came to look at that bloody up and over garage door spring, to measure it as there are many sizes, he only upset me by saying “I can make you an automatic door opener with the motor out of that old broken up washer, the one over in the corner under the workbench” I pushed him out of the garage removing the hard broom which the handle of has been doing a sterling job of holding the door open and shut the very volatile garage door behind him saying he was far to expensive had a cheaper price, bye then as I shoved him into his car. Flaming automatic door opener, what planet is he on.

“OMG” if I get home and the garage door opens by it self as I park the car next to it I will have a fit.



Post# 475044 , Reply# 80   11/14/2010 at 12:40 (4,883 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Seem that the washer fascias are prone to rust around the powder unit, must be the steam from all those program number 1’s 95c, odd as these models have steam-overflow vents at the back of the draw units venting to the back of the machine, some thing to consider when the rebuild starts, perhaps a ring of that soft spongy edge draft excluder tape to help seal out the damp.

Post# 475047 , Reply# 81   11/14/2010 at 12:47 (4,883 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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I reckon he was a plant by your dad ;-)

If you want to seal around the soap draw bit use a rubber sealing/weather strip it wont absorb moisture, you can get a "P" section one of ebay in white

But i would think once it has been re-sprayed it will be ok, because the original spray jobs were not that good in the first place, no undercoat etc job carried out as quickly as possible so thinnest layer of paint

Teknikal Ted


Post# 475052 , Reply# 82   11/14/2010 at 12:53 (4,883 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Oh yeah here is another top tip from the teknikal ted "book of how to do it"

If want to remove stuck/glued on fascias/trim etc it is a lot easier if you warm them from the back with a hair dryer this helps soften the glue holding the trim on

Ta ta ;-)


Post# 475053 , Reply# 83   11/14/2010 at 12:54 (4,883 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Never give it a thought, soft spongy edge draft excluder tape would absorb moisture, thank you Gary, your right also in saying the original paint job was not that special.

Post# 475063 , Reply# 84   11/14/2010 at 13:37 (4,883 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Lee, well done on getting stuck in so quickly, always helps when you can enjoy it...must say for its age that plinth chassiss looks in remarkably good nic...no build up of anything of flaking underneath, just the corner parts etc...

How does the tub turn?? bearings smooth enough?? looks a lovely colour, powder coating is the way to go, after seeing that drawer would have been well naffed to have paid over the odds on the first price!!!

enjoy, Mike


Post# 475180 , Reply# 85   11/15/2010 at 08:42 (4,882 days old) by 74simon ()        
Nice work Lee,

Admire your dedication to sorting the old beast out! Hope the silicone fixes the pressure chamber, might be work whacking some car hose repair tape round it too, won't be pretty but should keep it together and prevent further splitting.

By the way Paul - what the hell was the Super Dryer 1700?

Si


Post# 475225 , Reply# 86   11/15/2010 at 12:51 (4,882 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Mike.
The drum and bearings are in mint condition, which was of great surprise, no signs of weeping oil on the back plate either, so the bearing seal is ok too, on the journey to collect it my thoughts where what condition is the enamelled drum going to be in, I envisioned it with rusting holes and chips out of it and having bearings that sound like a steam roller rolling over gravel. I’ve also had a peep though the pressure pot fixing hole in the outer tub, and can’t see any corrosion around the sump and the don’t know what to call it, suppose it’s a water baffle which runs front to back over the sump hole, the heater has very little calcium build-up so it’s been in a soft water area. As for the paint, I would like to have the powder coating but will have to see how much it’s going to cost first, I certainly can’t do it justice doing the spray painting myself, as for the cost, I have paid over the odds, but just had to have it.

Si.
Time will tell if the silicone had worked, it’s going to take some time to cure. And then the removal of the cardboard insert, which has most likely stuck to it like the preverbal on a blanket.

Lee


Post# 475236 , Reply# 87   11/15/2010 at 13:17 (4,882 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Hmmmmm

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nice clean backplate mate I'll give yah a fivah!

Post# 475240 , Reply# 88   11/15/2010 at 13:26 (4,882 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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At the current price of gold me thinks it’s more like £105 plus the VAT, mustn’t forget her majesty’s customs and revenues must one.

Post# 475257 , Reply# 89   11/15/2010 at 13:43 (4,882 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Lee

Its good that the bits are still available new, but a shame they are still so expensive.
Bearing in mind that the machines they are intended for are getting few and far between, you'd think that these essesntially obsolete parts would be being sold for less, just in order for the manufacturer to get something for them.



Hi Simon.

The 1700 Super Dryer does have direct Liberator connections, in that it and the 1827 Super Electronic washing machine and 1731 compact dryer were Hotpoints first 'Best Buy' models.
The 1700, 1731 and 1827 were sold alongside the final series Liberators (the 1824/01, 1828/07 and 1848/01).
They had a white facia sticker (which yellowed over time - see picture of a 1700), purple dial with Liberator colour switches and a door with white surround and a clear door.

Never seen a piccy of the 1827, though do own a powder drawer cover from one.

Paul



Post# 475281 , Reply# 90   11/15/2010 at 14:44 (4,882 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Backplates

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your avin a larf mate! look ill tell yah wot ill do, though im skintin meself doin it.

Ill swop yoo this super strenfend one forrit an it cums wivah metool pully nun of yah plastik wons ere


Post# 475292 , Reply# 91   11/15/2010 at 15:02 (4,882 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
I`ll.......

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Raise you a fiver and give you a tenner!!!...lol,

Really glad the vitreous tub is in good nick, its the one thing that makes your machine stand out from the rest of the crowd of the 18.. series...
I wonder if the 1600 was similar?? perhaps Nige can answer!!

If you can wait till spring, pop across to the next midlands meet and introduce yourself to the "Spa of Neil & Bob" you could easily take the wrap around cabinet off!!


Post# 475483 , Reply# 92   11/16/2010 at 12:21 (4,881 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Well phase one of the pressure pot has gone rather well, the cardboard mould came out after a bit of twisting, now give it some more time to cure and then remove the wire in phase two, then re-fit it and see if it’s water and air tight.


Post# 475495 , Reply# 93   11/16/2010 at 12:37 (4,881 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Ah right now i can see, well with walls that thick Lee I see no reason for it to leak EVER! well done on the over engineering have a gold star * ;-)

Post# 475509 , Reply# 94   11/16/2010 at 13:36 (4,881 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thank you, Gary.
I just hope it is water tight; my other fear is it dissolving in the washing detergents.


Post# 475515 , Reply# 95   11/16/2010 at 13:49 (4,881 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Lee
i have used silicon sealant for years without problems of that kind, dont forget most of them are oil/petrol/high temperature resistant.

I reckon that will be fine matey ;-)

where you all excited coming home from work to see if it had worked ? I usually am when i am waiting for things to set/dry etc


Post# 475520 , Reply# 96   11/16/2010 at 14:01 (4,881 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Not excited, I had convinced myself that it would not work and would have to scrap out the grunge, and was pleasantly surprised to see that it seems to have work out something like I had planed, you know what this sort of botch jobs can come out like.

Post# 475521 , Reply# 97   11/16/2010 at 14:04 (4,881 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Botch Jobs

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Yes they are but not totally without thinking or some understanding of the problem, a real botch would be........ummm selotape around the bowl ;-)

Post# 475522 , Reply# 98   11/16/2010 at 14:05 (4,881 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Another question about the history of these machines should the draw front be plane white or is some text or symbols missing from it??

Post# 475525 , Reply# 99   11/16/2010 at 14:16 (4,881 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

OMG - that paint job was slightly iffy, wasnt it.
Ah well - onwards and upwards with the top notch restoration.

Re the powder drawer Lee.

Before your machine came along I had never seen an image of an 1851/03 before, so I cant definitely say whether the drawer had anything written on it or not.
However I would assume that it was a cabinet white plain facia.

The first Liberator - model 1850 - had the name on the facia and a plain drawer facia (pre 'ELECTRONIC' mumbo jumbo).
see below...



Post# 475526 , Reply# 100   11/16/2010 at 14:23 (4,881 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Model 1851 - with interlock over the 1850:

the only image I have is taken from my copy of an instruction manual.

It insinuates that the 1851 was visually identical to the 1850.
see below...



Post# 475530 , Reply# 101   11/16/2010 at 14:33 (4,881 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Model 1851/03 - with fabric conditioner dispenser and associated plumbing changes inside, over the 1851:

with the 1851/03 having its name written on the facia, at most all the 1851/03 would have had on it was 'ELECTRONIC' with the electron symbol.

If I was in your position I would leave it blank white, as gut instinct makes me feel that the 'ELECTRONIC' thing would have come in with the 1828/01 and 1828/02 refresh and when the name was also moved to the powder drawer.

I might be wrong though.

Paul


Post# 475532 , Reply# 102   11/16/2010 at 14:35 (4,881 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

'ELECTRONIC' template for you below...

Post# 475537 , Reply# 103   11/16/2010 at 14:53 (4,881 days old) by reversomatic (east anglia,england,u.k.)        
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Hi Mike and all, as regards to similarity of 1850 and 1600 tub/drums the only similarity is the colour of the vitreous enamel.The 1600 drum had a more flat front as apposed to the 1850 having a large curved front lip.The drum baffles were very similar though.Interesting thing about the 1600 drum spider is that is was plastic coated so didnt corrode.Good see these NEWER MACHINES being cared for,or it seems that way when you get to my age. Lee R.E. pressure chambers ,should still be out there somewhere as they where used up to new generation machines with stainless steel front drum plate.Great work so far congratulations.Regards Nige.

Post# 475773 , Reply# 104   11/17/2010 at 11:45 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Nige.

Will start a thread on the 1600 shortly and will be posting the info you gave me, plus those exploded diagrams I rediscovered I had too.

See if the diagrams jog any more memories you have of your 1830.

Hope all is well with you.

Paul


Post# 475774 , Reply# 105   11/17/2010 at 11:48 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
In the meantime....

Hi Lee.

Hope these will come in useful or, at the very least, interesting....


Post# 475775 , Reply# 106   11/17/2010 at 11:50 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the top facia is the the Hotpoint that never was, in the form of the single button, single powder compartment, cold fill only model 1840 - simply to have been known as 'LIBERATOR'...

Post# 475777 , Reply# 107   11/17/2010 at 11:51 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

the 1840 Hotpoint Liberator...

Post# 475778 , Reply# 108   11/17/2010 at 11:52 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and the 1850 and 1851...

Post# 475779 , Reply# 109   11/17/2010 at 11:53 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

...

Post# 475781 , Reply# 110   11/17/2010 at 11:54 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

'container'! and associated equipment...

Post# 475782 , Reply# 111   11/17/2010 at 11:55 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

...

Post# 475783 , Reply# 112   11/17/2010 at 11:56 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

cabinet assembly and associated parts...

Post# 475785 , Reply# 113   11/17/2010 at 11:57 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

...

Post# 475787 , Reply# 114   11/17/2010 at 11:58 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

console parts...

Post# 475788 , Reply# 115   11/17/2010 at 12:02 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

hope they are useful.

paul
p.s if your part 24 ever breaks (the door release push button extention), then let me know. I have spares of these.

p.p.s have attached again below in a slightly bigger photo


Post# 475789 , Reply# 116   11/17/2010 at 12:03 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and the pecker switch arrangement, slightly bigger...

Post# 475820 , Reply# 117   11/17/2010 at 13:08 (4,880 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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OMG, Wow, thank you, Paul

Parts lists and diagrams, I am forever indebted to you for the time and effort of posting them, most interesting and very useful, I love looking at the parts diagrams, wiring plans and timer charts ect.

I will just clean the draw front leaving it as is.

Many thanks.
Lee


Post# 475829 , Reply# 118   11/17/2010 at 13:32 (4,880 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
SOD THE DRAWINGS WHERES THE RUBBER THINGY

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?

Post# 475830 , Reply# 119   11/17/2010 at 13:36 (4,880 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Removed the wire from the pressure pot, then gave it an air test by blowing down the outlet and covering the inlet side; I could not here any air escaping which is very promising indeed.

Post# 475831 , Reply# 120   11/17/2010 at 13:39 (4,880 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Stuffed

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Well done ;-).........hurry up then have you connected it then, have you have you

Post# 475835 , Reply# 121   11/17/2010 at 13:51 (4,880 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Patience dear fellow,

I would like it to have one more day with out the wire in to cure that last part that is now exposed.


Post# 475838 , Reply# 122   11/17/2010 at 14:00 (4,880 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
:-(

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hmmph

Post# 475841 , Reply# 123   11/17/2010 at 14:06 (4,880 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Pot

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Lee, can see how the tube was in the bottom part of the pot but what about the main part, was it completely filled or did you insert a liner inside the main pot as well?? enquiring minds need to know!!!

Also is there a ratio formula to the size of air space in the pot?? to the size of the bellows in the pressure switch, or put another way, if the pot size is reduced will you have enough play in the pressure stat??

Cheers, Mike


Post# 475842 , Reply# 124   11/17/2010 at 14:10 (4,880 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove)        
its a liberator :D

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lee, that is so nice, but tell me this, why does your liberator have an enamel drum and paul & rob's 1828 has a stainless steel drum (if thats what its made of)
phil


Post# 475848 , Reply# 125   11/17/2010 at 14:18 (4,880 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Hi, Mike

The pot is almost full to the top, there where so many cracks and leaks in it, as for the ratio to the size of air space and the adjustment of the pressure switch, well it’s a case of suck it and see, the water level at the limit of the adjustments may be just below the bowel of the door or half way to the top I just don’t know?????


Post# 475850 , Reply# 126   11/17/2010 at 14:27 (4,880 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Hi Phil
My 1851-03 is almost a year older then the 1828 the 1851-03 was introduced in 1975 and the 1828 was 1976.

Not sure if the 1850 from 1973 had an enamel drum or the subsequent 1974’s 1851.

Maybe Paul can shed some light on this?
Lee


Post# 475854 , Reply# 127   11/17/2010 at 14:46 (4,880 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Lee and Phil

The 1850, 1851 and 1851/03 all had enamel drums, with the 1828/01 (prototypes) and 1828/02 (production) ushering in the Stainless Steel drum age for Hotpoint.

Paul


Post# 476103 , Reply# 128   11/18/2010 at 13:38 (4,879 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thanks Paul for the information.

Not much to say today, I have ordered the black enamel repair kit for that little patch of corrosion on the lip of the outer tub.

Bit annoyed with myself, I haven’t been to see the powder coaters yet.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO hotpoint95622's LINK


Post# 476286 , Reply# 129   11/19/2010 at 12:36 (4,878 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Is It Ready Yet

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WELL is it
is it is it is it (taps foot imapatiently) is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet (taps foot more imapatiently) is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet ..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


Post# 476301 , Reply# 130   11/19/2010 at 13:47 (4,878 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Yes it’s ready, hopefully I can fit it tomorrow, Saturday, I will refit the old door seal and give it a water test.

No patience these youngsters


Post# 476306 , Reply# 131   11/19/2010 at 14:09 (4,878 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Now

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NOW NOW

Post# 476449 , Reply# 132   11/20/2010 at 10:15 (4,877 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Well it’s water tight, but that’s all.

As Mike pointed out
“If the pot size is reduced will you have enough play in the pressure stat??”

Simple answer is NO.

It was that bit of a chance I would getaway with a small adjustment but alas not to be, not enough in the switch adjustments, so it’s back to the drawing board.

Also went around to the powder coaters this morning, but are closed on Saturdays. The enamel repair kit has also arrived this morning but I want to sort out the pressure pot first.


Post# 476457 , Reply# 133   11/20/2010 at 11:01 (4,877 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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HELP

Dose anyone have one of these pressure pot’s kicking around??
Good money paid for one.


Post# 476470 , Reply# 134   11/20/2010 at 12:32 (4,877 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Kwik Kwestion

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Lee

Whats happening is the water level too low or high?

The pressure switch has a huge amount of adjustment, you only have to turn the one screw in the tallest tower See pic on this switch it would be the blue screw this is the one that sets the over all water level, the smaller one inset sets the sensitivity of the switch to the water level dropping when the clothes soak up the water this allows the machine to top up with water


Other alternative is get a craft knife and carefully cyt away some of the silicon filler to create a larger vessel

Or could you adapt a ...dare i say it a hoover one


Post# 476472 , Reply# 135   11/20/2010 at 13:22 (4,877 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Well as you can see here I have filled the chamber to full, I have been brave and parted the plastic part from the rubber.

Photo of the solid silicon core, air passed though the hole just no air space to make enough pressure.


Post# 476473 , Reply# 136   11/20/2010 at 13:24 (4,877 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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I have now done the same sort of silicon moulding but only the inlet part, not filling the main body of the chamber, only the base.

Post# 476474 , Reply# 137   11/20/2010 at 13:27 (4,877 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Will re-join the two parts with silicon tomorrow and try agene when it has cured.

Post# 476476 , Reply# 138   11/20/2010 at 13:37 (4,877 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Hi, Gary
The unit did nothing, the old girl just kept on filling, no leaks though which is something, I have tried to adjust the switch but to avail. I have spent hour’s searching the net for a replacement but just can’t find one or anything suitable to adapt, if round two doesn’t work.

I think this just might do it though.



Post# 476478 , Reply# 139   11/20/2010 at 13:46 (4,877 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
OK good idea

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Hello Lee

that sounds a better idea...........if that doesnt work my last attempt would be to seal it back together (i didnt know it came apart) clean the outside with white spirit, paint a thin layer of silicon over the outside let it set and do that again a few times so as to create an air tight outer casing rather than a inner casing.

You could even try wrapping some surgical dressing on each layer to give it more strength

anyway we shall see


Post# 476604 , Reply# 140   11/21/2010 at 08:02 (4,876 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Two parts reunited.

Post# 476605 , Reply# 141   11/21/2010 at 08:05 (4,876 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Pressure vessel re-fitted and the photo of the water level.

Post# 476606 , Reply# 142   11/21/2010 at 08:12 (4,876 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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OO MM GG it works and there is no leak. YYEESS

Post# 476607 , Reply# 143   11/21/2010 at 08:16 (4,876 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Don’t now how long it will last.

Washed some bedding on program no2 60c no problems and no wet floor.
Machine work well washed, heated to 60c and then all 4 rinses and the long spin with out a hitch.

Some short videos added to my youtube list.


Post# 476624 , Reply# 144   11/21/2010 at 10:18 (4,876 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Sorry about the videos being such poor quality will have to sort some sort of lighting out for future videos, the dark grey enamel and the amethyst door make it to dark to capture.

Post# 476651 , Reply# 145   11/21/2010 at 12:38 (4,876 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
RUBBER WILL SAVE THE DAY

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Lee this is brilliant matey, i am really pleased it has worked, once set and sealed i can see no reason for it to fail.

Well done, now you can move on to the next job ;-)

Gary


Post# 476852 , Reply# 146   11/22/2010 at 02:44 (4,876 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Excellent...!!!

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Yes Lee get creative and there we are....glad you sorted it, did wonder about the pressure pot size reduction, did a similar thing with a pot years ago and couldnt get it to work!!

Whats next to sort?? the fascia trim??

Cheers, Mike




Post# 476916 , Reply# 147   11/22/2010 at 11:23 (4,875 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thank you gentleman,

Next it’s on to the cosmetics, the mechanics are all done except changing the door seal which can be done at the end.

Just had a though, of fitting some LED’s to the old door seal at to top looking down into the drum for some video lighting, just a temporary modification, running them from a battery pack.


Post# 476934 , Reply# 148   11/22/2010 at 13:10 (4,875 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Pyrotechnics

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YEAHHHHH fit a sound to light box, fit some small mirrors to the back of the drum put it o a slow spin, bung on some Donna Summer and away you go Hotpoint-A-GOGO

Post# 477458 , Reply# 149   11/25/2010 at 11:26 (4,872 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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"Liberator"?

Sure it isn't Model B-24?

:-)


Post# 477466 , Reply# 150   11/25/2010 at 12:05 (4,872 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Paul.
May I ask if you have the timer charts with the diagrams, I would like to know if the pressure switch is a 2 level one, I think I have messed up the setting when messing with the pressure switch, she never took the softener in the last load washed, I think the machine should fill with cold water to level one and then energize the softener valve up to level two, I was hoping you could confirm this from the service papers you have.

Many thanks Lee


Post# 477475 , Reply# 151   11/25/2010 at 13:13 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Lee.

I have the full servicing manual for models 1840 (which doesnt exist), 1850, 1851 and 1851/03, so any info required I will try to provide.

Photos taken in artificial light, so they are lovely and yellow. If they arent clear enogh then let me know and i will try and grab some natural daylight at the weekend...


Post# 477476 , Reply# 152   11/25/2010 at 13:14 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

pecker switch...

Post# 477477 , Reply# 153   11/25/2010 at 13:15 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

bit of crouzet timer info for the 1851 which probably applies to the 1851/03 - do know whether its of use...

Post# 477478 , Reply# 154   11/25/2010 at 13:16 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

wiring diagram for the 1851...

Post# 477479 , Reply# 155   11/25/2010 at 13:17 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
page 57!!!

think this is what you are after.

states for model 1851, but applies to 1851/03 too (I think)...


Post# 477480 , Reply# 156   11/25/2010 at 13:18 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
page 57....

...uploaded the wrong way, in case it uploads a bit bigger...

Post# 477481 , Reply# 157   11/25/2010 at 13:18 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Specific info for the 1851/03...

Post# 477482 , Reply# 158   11/25/2010 at 13:19 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

a bit more...

Post# 477483 , Reply# 159   11/25/2010 at 13:20 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
a bit out of focus

the spare parts listing for the different parts for the 1851/03 over the 1851...

Post# 477484 , Reply# 160   11/25/2010 at 13:21 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

wiring diagram for the 1851/03...

Post# 477485 , Reply# 161   11/25/2010 at 13:22 (4,872 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

hope the info helps Lee.

Anything else needed then let me know and I will try and find it.

Cheers
Paul


Post# 477491 , Reply# 162   11/25/2010 at 13:46 (4,872 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Absolutely fantastic, thank you very much Paul, you are so lucky to have this information and I would give my hind teeth for it.

It’s all there in the last diagram, yes it’s a two step pressure switch and as I thought she should fill to level one with cold, then to level two with the softener, also the two step pressure switch has been used as a dry protection for the heater which I cant see on the other charts. I also notice that the dispenser should have a switch like the 1828 so I think the nib on the draw front has snapped off and the switch has been removed to rectify the problem, maybe some thing to consider on the re-build.

Thermostat has a 40c 60c and 85c so that means 95c for program 1 is achieved with timed heating after the thermostat has closed.

Ever indebted. Lee



Post# 477508 , Reply# 163   11/25/2010 at 15:45 (4,872 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Nice electrical diagrams.

But I can't find the circuit that opens the bomb bay doors.

LOL.

PS-Nice machine, I think. All that rust does make me appreciate the classic Miele construction - where all the steel is thickly finished enameled inside and out - white. My Maytag Neptune front loader suffers greatly in comparison, what with it being only powder coated, and not coated enough on the underside of the top panel, and the edges of the top mounted detergent dispenser orifice getting significant rusting, just like in your photos of the Hotpoint.


Post# 477669 , Reply# 164   11/26/2010 at 13:08 (4,871 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Sudsmaster

It’s a shame the paint not being coated enough you would think it would be applied better, but that’s the problem with mass production and keeping cost down, not much care to the out of site places which is where this Hotpoint has the worst corrosion.



Post# 477673 , Reply# 165   11/26/2010 at 13:20 (4,871 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Thin Paint

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sort of "nets at the windows but no sheets on the beds" :-)

Post# 477681 , Reply# 166   11/26/2010 at 13:33 (4,871 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Guilty as charged.

Hopefully she won’t be guilty of that once I have finished the restoration; pelmets match the drapes and a nice blue valance.


Post# 477682 , Reply# 167   11/26/2010 at 13:35 (4,871 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Going up market

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Sounds a bit "Bay Window" to me ;-)

Post# 477685 , Reply# 168   11/26/2010 at 13:41 (4,871 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Not bloody likely, far too posh for Powys, single glazed, with lots of ventilation, it’s warmer in the fridge.

Post# 477686 , Reply# 169   11/26/2010 at 13:45 (4,871 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
drafts

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Aww Sash windows dont yah love em, sticky in the summer rattly and efffin draughty in the winter.......big heavy curtains to keep the draughts out........i remember those days well, oh and a big curtain behind the front door coz that was shagged and the letter box blew open in the wind ;-) we never bothered switching our fridge on the because the kitchen was so cold

Post# 477691 , Reply# 170   11/26/2010 at 14:02 (4,871 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Yes, I’m being nagged agene, I’m in my shirt sleeves which are rolled up, aren’t you cold says the committee “no, but if you are just put another log on the fire or work outside all day then it would feel warm in here to you lot too, bloody indoors to much.

Just been asked to clear the snow off the drive, what planet are they on.


Post# 477694 , Reply# 171   11/26/2010 at 14:08 (4,871 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
The Orders

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well i would agree to go outside.........Too the Garage and seek refuge with your only freinds in there :-).........arghhh peace and harmony return

Dont talk to me about working outside all day, thursday i was frozen right through, i got home quick cup of tea electric blanket on and in bed..........

We have this weather all weekend.......im hiding in the office as much as i can sod the punters they can carry there own shite (unless it has hte "H" word on it)


Post# 478012 , Reply# 172   11/28/2010 at 08:58 (4,869 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Sunday morning, I ventured out to the garage but only lasted 20 minutes, it’s to bloody cold, my weather stations monitor says it got down to -11c last night and as I type it is only -2c at noon

So I have spent the time I was out there looking at the speed module on the old girl, the diagrams supplied by Paul fascinated me, it’s a bit different to most I have come across in the past, the module is in two parts.

Boring ramblings over.

Red and black spade connections just right from the big black axel capacitor are for the thermistor

You can just see the connections to the MPC bottomed right

The main module which is located behind the options switches and has the connections to the timer for speed selection and the tacho for speed feed back.

And the power micro circuit board located next to the mains suppressor. It’s this smaller part that got my attention. It’s connected to the main module and the motor.

The power micro circuit holds the solid state switch (thyristor or SCR “silicon controlled rectifier”) which controls the voltage to the motor, this also indicated the motor runs on DC voltage and may explain the different sound the motor makes.
In all other speed modules I have looked at this part is on the main board fixed to the large heat sink (the part you don’t want to touch when the machine is switched on and normal has warnings all over it, because it will bite!!) and is normally a triac which switches AC current instead, but in this setup the solid state switch which must be of an isolated type as it is fixed to the back of the metal back plate to which the option switches ect are fixed to, so this plate must acted as the heat sink.

I have also noticed that the motor dose not seem to have a thermal cut-out for over heating protection fitted inline with the live feed, instead it has a thermistor (a resistor which changes according to temperature) fitted and this is connected to the main module separately, I can only surmise that if the motor get too hot the resistance changes with temperature and triggers some sort of protection circuit within the module.


Post# 478015 , Reply# 173   11/28/2010 at 09:25 (4,869 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Stupid computer that’s not how I typed it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post# 478088 , Reply# 174   11/28/2010 at 12:56 (4,869 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Jealous PC's

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The reason is your PC has seen a high qaulity circuit board that is built using components that are operating well within their safe operating ranges, not like modern designs where all the components are running as close as is possible to their safe maximum operating limits, with resulting high failure rate that modern made circuits have.
Witness the high failure rate on modern machines boards

Twas effin freezing at work today (again) no washers came in to mention but a beuooootiful very very old Hotpoint electric kettle turned up with mains lead, the heating element is built into the bottom of it so it not visible (bit like modern ones) i know it is off topic sorry

I will try it out tomorrow (usual just fill it up and plug it in) see what happens approach ;-)


Post# 478102 , Reply# 175   11/28/2010 at 14:13 (4,869 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Hotpoint Kettle, put a pic on for us. Pretty please.

Post# 478114 , Reply# 176   11/28/2010 at 14:58 (4,869 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
oh and a big curtain behind the front door coz that was shag

Sounds like my new flat! Draught excluders on every door now pretty much! (Could do with a curtain on the front door given the 2 foot gap between the top of the door and the frame!)

Anyway lovely machine btw, have really enjoyed reading about your restoration efforts, so nice to see it returing to a pristine state!

Matt


Post# 478263 , Reply# 177   11/29/2010 at 07:55 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Draughts

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Bloody nightmare, our house is only 20 yrs old double glazed etc and that is draughty in places..........yes get the big old scary (monsters hide behind them curtains up) ;-)

Post# 478264 , Reply# 178   11/29/2010 at 08:00 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Hotpoint 80073A

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Well Lee

I have lived to tell the tale ;-)

filled it up plugged it in and it works,nice and quiet in operation like most of the old metal kettles, bit wiffy though, old kettles often are, i think it is the years of sweaty hands gripping the handles, when they get warm they let off this slighty acrid smell.

I shall clean it up inside and out and get rid of the wiff, i noramlly soak the handle in washing powder



Post# 478265 , Reply# 179   11/29/2010 at 08:01 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
On Heat

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Gently hissing as it heats the water

Post# 478266 , Reply# 180   11/29/2010 at 08:02 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Its the boiling action

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It is boiling in this shot, it is so quiet and gentle

Post# 478267 , Reply# 181   11/29/2010 at 08:03 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
The Ratings Plate

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Only a 1500 watt heater

Post# 478268 , Reply# 182   11/29/2010 at 08:06 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
My Kettle Of choice

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This is my daily driver i dont think you can beat these kettles for performance or reliability

Post# 478273 , Reply# 183   11/29/2010 at 08:41 (4,868 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Hmmmm

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Gary
bet hubby would be DELIGHTED to use the Hotpoint as daily driver, non of that pesky switching off when boiled LOLOLOL Whilst I think the Russell Hobbs is a classic (and watch what they go for on ebay!) I have to take issue with you on the reliabality - yours is an earlier model than the one I bought in 1977 when I left home - lasted until 1981 grrrrrrrr. Still, would love another one even just for display. I believe Simon has teh original 1950s version
Al


Post# 478274 , Reply# 184   11/29/2010 at 09:11 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Kettle Wars

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Hello AL

Before this one we had a Siemens porsche desgned one, and for a modern kettle that lasted well (5 yrs), but when it died i was straight up in the loft pulling out another Russell Hobbs a few words back and forth later it was cleaned and installed ;-), it is the same as this one except it is the stainless steel one.

If you want that one you are welcome to it (i have collected a few over the years) it works perfectly

I like old electric kettles, i always nab em at work if they come in i have a few others

I also picked up a 1980s i think, russell hobbs KB series beige body with flowers on it and brown handle one just for posterity i have no passion for the decorated kettles but it is in good condition

Gary


Post# 478305 , Reply# 185   11/29/2010 at 11:50 (4,868 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Thanks Gary

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Funny enough I have just started using Siemens Porsche kettle and toaster myself - bought just after last Christmas - I LOVE John Lewis clearence sale :) And I would love a RH as well thank you very much and if you would have a Swan whistling kettle too ..... Well if you dont ask you dont get LOLOLOLOL
Al


Post# 478317 , Reply# 186   11/29/2010 at 12:39 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Kettles

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Hello Al

thats fine matey send me an email, they are nice the siemens range, the coffee machine is pretty mega too, but when you look at the cost they should last , i know that some of the cost is down to design and styling, trouble is there are so many cheap lookalikes ;-(...........ah well enjoy them.

I have a swan electric kettle no whistle though, that is very old aswell, no lid fill through the spout, non auto, weighs a ton again super quiet


Post# 478333 , Reply# 187   11/29/2010 at 13:14 (4,868 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thanks Gary for posting the photos of the Hotpoint kettle, so much better the old stuff, it’s made to last almost a life time and can be repaired with some careful modification of other parts, compared to today’s offerings made of plastic and poor quality electronics, I think that modern electronics are programmed to self-destruct after the warranty has expired or as you have noted earlier it’s working at it’s maximum operating parameter and just cant take it.

It’s a great sham we now live in a through away society.

Well I have nothing to say about the liberator at the moment, just waiting for some better weather, so I can sort the pressure switch which I have totally messed up and it’s to cold to paint anything.


Post# 478340 , Reply# 188   11/29/2010 at 13:56 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
pressure switches

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Hello LEE

Glad you like the kettle, i am always attracted to these old ones, and to date every one i have brought back has worked with no leaks and hasnt killed me.

Now you have the wiring diagrams the pressure switches will be a lot easier to set up, normally F1 (fill 1) is the low level and F2 is the high level, if you get a meter and blow in the pipe you will be able to see which set of contacts relate to the first click (low level) and blow a bit harder for the second click (high level), i used to try and do this sort of thing blind, it took me ages..........basically which ever screw is turned in the most will be the higher level of the two. see it is easy innit :-)


Post# 478345 , Reply# 189   11/29/2010 at 14:14 (4,868 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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I have collected some Russell Hobbs bit’s from the late 70’s with the poppy design on, I have an automatic coffee pot, milk warmer and two toasters, one which pops the toast like butterfly wings out of the sides which has ceramic side tiles and the other one is like a normal pop up with enamel sides. The toasters cook the best toast ever, very even toasting all over

Back to the pressure switch.
Me thinks I have knackered it by messing around too much, the level one switch dose not click as it should, maybe I have turned the adjuster screw too far in and the hysteresis adjusters are in too far as well, the dam screws have been gulped up with glue and don’t turn very well. Something to play with when the nagging starts agene and solitude is craved.


Post# 478352 , Reply# 190   11/29/2010 at 14:51 (4,868 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
RH

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they made some good gear over the years, the side toasters are brilliant, i had a 1930s one that only did one side at a time, when you dropped the sides the bread slid down and turned itself so that when you closed them it was on the other side.

Just turn the screws out, if you look carefully you might be able to see the marks left by the glue, the sensitivity screw might be a luttle more time consuing to set as you need a dry load (or a well spun wet load) each time to check out their operation, if it is stuffed i have loads of dual level pressure switches, so you can have one of them to play with ;-)

Ps if the screws are very stiff, i heated up a flat bladed screw driver and pushed it into the screw, hey presto it turned without the screw driver blade slipping, a bt of wiggle and it came out same with the other screw.


Post# 478500 , Reply# 191   11/30/2010 at 12:32 (4,867 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
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Thanks Gary, great tip, heating flat bladed screw driver.

How I have set the sensitivity settings in the past is to hose up the machine and then let it fill, then lower the drain hose to allow some water out and see what level it is when the valves kick in. I’m looking for level 1 to fill just to the lip of the door glass or Perspex in this case and to recall when it’s just below the lip of the door seal at the tub, level 2 maybe an inch or too higher with a recall just at the base of the Perspex.

Well it’s up to warmer weather now to try!!


Post# 478522 , Reply# 192   11/30/2010 at 13:55 (4,867 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
Warmer Weather

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Well Lee looking at the forecast (normally a waste of time) i will be going to the garage Friday, 5 day 5 night

Im like a bloody hermit at present dont want to go out, loft is too cold work in as well.

dropping the hose and letting a bit of water out is good way of checking the top up function, when ever i have adjusted the screws i nearly always find 1/2 a turn is enough for fine tuning

Rusell Hobbs bits

Nice matey all in escellent condition aswell, be good for your "bottom draw" :-)


Post# 478641 , Reply# 193   12/1/2010 at 06:37 (4,867 days old) by 74simon ()        
k1

Yep, was lucky enough to find one at a car booter in Brighton for a fiver! It's currently on display at the Science Museum in London.

Unlike the K2, the switch isn't designed to be turned off by hand, once pushed in it's almost impossible to pop it out without boiling the kettle. I'd love to know why these were only built for a short time.


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