Thread Number: 31609
LG FL Needs more water |
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Post# 476843 , Reply# 1   11/22/2010 at 01:25 (4,902 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 476881 , Reply# 2   11/22/2010 at 08:23 (4,902 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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LG, amongst others, uses a digital sensor, which cannot be adjusted.
How about adding a pre-wash and extra rinse? Or a warm Rinse/Spin (with low spin speed) before the actual wash cycle? I think the only way to add more water by default is to increase the length of the hose that connects to the water level sensor. This will make every fill higher. Don't know by how much the hose would have to be extended, though. It's K550 on the pic below. Alex |
Post# 476952 , Reply# 3   11/22/2010 at 14:24 (4,902 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Thanks Alex, good info. Is there a link you can provide to these parts diagrams? I believe adding to the length of the hose may be what is needed to "fool" the sensor. I will try it and post results. |
Post# 476969 , Reply# 4   11/22/2010 at 15:14 (4,902 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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On my Samsung, I just pause the cycle, open the door, and pour in the extra water, using a pitcher. Then close back the door, and press resume, and that's it. and every time you open and close the door, the machine adds a little more water by itself before resuming the tumbling. |
Post# 476974 , Reply# 5   11/22/2010 at 16:07 (4,901 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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I have a KM Elite steam washer and it too has that electronic water level sensor. I have thought about adding an "air chamber" (like a 16 oz or larger plastic water bottle) in the hose via a "T" between the air bell on the tub and the W.L.S. According to other postings (now in the archives) this will effectively increase the water level without the washer going into "freak out mode" and draining the tub. I have yet to attempt it because of other projects and no prepping for my up coming Dec 11 wash-in. BTW Rob... I love your screen name, VERY funny! Kevin |
Post# 476977 , Reply# 7   11/22/2010 at 16:30 (4,901 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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LOL thanks Kevin! My Wife thinks that name is appropriate..... |
Post# 476981 , Reply# 8   11/22/2010 at 16:50 (4,901 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 477149 , Reply# 10   11/23/2010 at 20:08 (4,900 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 477150 , Reply# 11   11/23/2010 at 20:14 (4,900 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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The bulky/large cycle adds more water, but not much more. |
Post# 477153 , Reply# 12   11/23/2010 at 20:26 (4,900 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 477273 , Reply# 14   11/24/2010 at 13:47 (4,900 days old) by toploader1984 ()   |   | |
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normally the water level is about2 inches, with the bulky cycle the water almost to the boot. |
Post# 478488 , Reply# 17   11/30/2010 at 11:21 (4,894 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Too bad. Aditionally, LG also stopped updating their service manual site long ago: http://136.166.4.200/SubPages/DA_Laundry.htm
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Post# 478498 , Reply# 18   11/30/2010 at 12:24 (4,894 days old) by 3beltwesty ()   |   | |
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I googled the service manual number of MFL30599142 and found one at partstore.com for 39 bucks; with tax and shipping it would be 50 bucks ie pricey. I will ponder the purchase. |
Post# 478504 , Reply# 19   11/30/2010 at 13:01 (4,894 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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3beltwesty: Just asking, but what do you need the service manual for? Are you trying to activate the service mode? |
Post# 481266 , Reply# 22   12/13/2010 at 01:24 (4,881 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Water level with the 2 bottles added to the sensor line. Its maybe 1.5" higher than before the mod. |
Post# 481346 , Reply# 23   12/13/2010 at 10:31 (4,881 days old) by dj-gabriele ()   |   | |
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That much water for that little load? That's so wasteful! If you have a specially dirty load can't you just add a prewash? |
Post# 481380 , Reply# 24   12/13/2010 at 12:06 (4,881 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Wasteful?? What, 2 gallons? I don't think so. "Wasteful" is my neighbors lawn sprinklers watering his side walk for 30 minutes every day at 5 gallons a minute. |
Post# 481396 , Reply# 26   12/13/2010 at 13:09 (4,881 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Well you can install a 1/4 turn on-off valve in the hose to the bottles and turn it off for the wash then on for the rinse, but that requires you to be near the washer to wait for the rinse cycle. |
Post# 481442 , Reply# 29   12/13/2010 at 16:39 (4,880 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Post 3 states the sensor is digital. So far this mod is working, just need to finalize the chamber size, then make one using PVC for reliability, and mounted inside. The setup seen in the pic is just for testing. |
Post# 481873 , Reply# 30   12/15/2010 at 14:15 (4,879 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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A 64 ounce container is working good so far. At least now some water is visable during the wash cycle. Will post pics of this "hack" soon. |
Post# 482098 , Reply# 31   12/16/2010 at 16:37 (4,877 days old) by 3beltwesty ()   |   | |
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So is this mod a "T" added to hose K550 and your green hose runs out to your bottles that add volume? |
Post# 482125 , Reply# 34   12/16/2010 at 17:25 (4,877 days old) by 3beltwesty ()   |   | |
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For testing, a manual says: Is the resistance of the pressure sensor out of range? (pin 1 ~ pin 3) (21 ~ 23 ohms +/- 10 percent ) |
Post# 482126 , Reply# 35   12/16/2010 at 17:28 (4,877 days old) by 3beltwesty ()   |   | |
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Figure out what resistance the computer "wants to see" versus water level of the tub, and fake it off with a bias. ie a dumb resistor added in place. |
Post# 482128 , Reply# 36   12/16/2010 at 17:44 (4,877 days old) by 3beltwesty ()   |   | |
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Here I borrowed supremewhirlpols image from the other thread and showed myself! where the tube and sensor run. Strangely, this is NOT in the LG service manual. |
Post# 482155 , Reply# 39   12/16/2010 at 19:19 (4,877 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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The tee |
Post# 482156 , Reply# 40   12/16/2010 at 19:21 (4,877 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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The extra volume |
Post# 482157 , Reply# 41   12/16/2010 at 19:24 (4,877 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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LG provided a perfect size hole to exit the hose outside. |
Post# 482295 , Reply# 46   12/17/2010 at 09:31 (4,877 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)   |   | |
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Hi guys , here is a pic of my LG rinse water level. Sorry about the water color , this was a very dirty load haha :) |
Post# 482315 , Reply# 49   12/17/2010 at 11:48 (4,877 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Roper 6 Amana 9 Frigidaire 10 Kenmore 10 Whirlpool 10 Maytag 11 GE 12 Fisher & Paykel 15 |
Post# 482317 , Reply# 50   12/17/2010 at 11:50 (4,877 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)   |   | |
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It has a higher water level , but it is only 2.7cu. Very small :) |
Post# 482355 , Reply# 55   12/17/2010 at 17:45 (4,876 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Westy, post 53 was copied and pasted from CR'S web site, its not my statement. I posted it to help us understand how they rate repair stats with adjustments for age. |
Post# 482594 , Reply# 58   12/18/2010 at 21:29 (4,875 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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I have never seen 4 bars, even with large towels full of water added for weight. |
Post# 482637 , Reply# 59   12/19/2010 at 07:11 (4,875 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)   |   | |
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My LG doesn't use bars , but after the sensing rotation it says how heavy the load is in kg. Almost everything it says 4kg , but with a full load of Towels it says 8kg , wich is the maximum that it can hold :) |
Post# 484196 , Reply# 60   12/25/2010 at 10:00 (4,869 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 484206 , Reply# 61   12/25/2010 at 11:22 (4,869 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Your welcome Jet. After some testing, I ended up with a 2"X58" PVC tube to achieve the water level I want. Works fine with all wash cycles as well as the rinse/spin only cycle. |
Post# 484582 , Reply# 62   12/27/2010 at 14:25 (4,867 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 484704 , Reply# 64   12/28/2010 at 00:22 (4,866 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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#2 is going to measure the same frequency ,no matter the direction of current. Thats why its take off is between the two capacitors and why they are identical in capacitance.
SO the machine control board must be sending an AC signal through this circuit in order to see the tuning change = the frequency change as the core to the coil moves. So 3belt, can you measure the frequency applied by the machine control board with the LRC meter? |
Post# 486450 , Reply# 66   1/4/2011 at 22:42 (4,858 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Westy, my WM2501 does not have a "custom" button? Humm... |
Post# 486518 , Reply# 68   1/5/2011 at 10:36 (4,858 days old) by Pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Westy, do you have an online source for a service or training manual for the WM2501? Thanks! |
Post# 486985 , Reply# 72   1/7/2011 at 10:44 (4,856 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Pullmyfinger, the spring pressure increases the force needed to send the iron plunger up the core, which translates to a higher head of water in the drum.
No one has spotted that screw before, can you photo it and post it? I did the same Mod on my Speed Queen but that WLS has 5 screws so I had to tear it down to see which ones neede to be turned. Thanks jet |
Post# 487458 , Reply# 74   1/9/2011 at 03:34 (4,854 days old) by pullmyfinger ()   |   | |
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Jet, I already put everything back together. Maybe Westy can post a pic of the top of the WLS. |
Post# 706930 , Reply# 77   10/3/2013 at 01:28 (3,856 days old) by pipesster ()   |   | |
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Heres a pic with switch adjusted 1 full turn, you can see the water on the glass, about 8 gallons! up from less than 5 |
Post# 709443 , Reply# 78   10/15/2013 at 12:03 (3,844 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)   |   | |
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Get yourself a Samsung front loader. A few turns and you will get all the water you want. Start out slow, then increase till you get the desired amount. |
Post# 733362 , Reply# 80   2/6/2014 at 13:43 (3,730 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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My LG ( model# WM2277HS ) also has the adjustable screw enabling you to adjust its water level. It also has a recirculating spray that has a wide spray of recirculating wash or rinse water onto the load. I truly love it and it's cousin ( model WM8000 ) that has a bit more activities going on inside and is gigantic in capacity.
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Post# 752032 , Reply# 85   4/22/2014 at 21:31 (3,654 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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PP fills up to the bottom of the window, somewhere between 4&5 gallons. I thought mine slowed down the tumbling a bit toward the end of the wash cycle, but it could have been an illusion, a flashback to the reduced speeds in the vintage toploader permanent press cycles.
I would really appreciate learning if the wash speeds ARE indeed variable, because I honestly can't tell. For sure there are some slow half turns on the hand wash cycle, and some rapid hurling spins, and half turn whirls on others, but when the machine is simply tumbling regularly, it all looks the same to me on any of the cycles. Is that the case? The stingy manual says nothing about speed except for spinning. |
Post# 752053 , Reply# 86   4/22/2014 at 23:35 (3,654 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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I tried to make the adjustment on my Duet per instructions on the net......but I could NOT get it right. It was so strange.......I would turn the screw just a little bit....Nothing would happen.....same water level.......then I would continue doing the same thing in VERY small intervals..and it was is I was doing absolutely nothing.......until all of the sudden it wouldn't stop filling with water.....it got SCARY high before it stopped filling...There was no slight increase each time. It just went from one extreme to the other...So I turned the screw back and said to hell with it......because in all honestly, it seems to use an OK amount of water anyway......If I could change anything I would want it to add only a couple of more gallons, that's it....but I got scared of messing with it.
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Post# 754547 , Reply# 88   5/2/2014 at 20:37 (3,644 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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On The Perm Press, Delicate & Hand Wash, the water level sensor is deactivated.
If one desires, lots & lots, of H20. One Finds, hitting the tub clean button, after, turning off the machine, and turning it back on, fills it 1/3 way up the door. It's mix of Both the Hot & Cold lines (although you could turn either off if you wanted). Once Complete, just press the power button, and turn it back on again. And select a cycle (without a water level sensor) and proceed from there.
I'm starting to become more kind to the thought, of LG Machines. This the most simplest, water level control I've ever encountered. |
Post# 754635 , Reply# 89   5/3/2014 at 05:16 (3,644 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York)   |   | |
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