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Post# 481217 12/12/2010 at 18:54 (4,877 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes in the Kenmore lower rack

Post# 481218 , Reply# 1 12/12/2010 at 18:55 (4,877 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *here's* the upper rack

Post# 481219 , Reply# 2 12/12/2010 at 18:58 (4,877 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *Cycle* selection

Post# 481220 , Reply# 3 12/12/2010 at 19:30 (4,877 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes My goodness Leslie. Of courwse, I want to know what all were the soils in that load, particularly the crockpot, the corning 10' skillet looking dish, as well as the rest of the pans and skllet. I odn't think mine will be near that "crowded" tonight, although I've been doing some cooking today. We've had that discussion about crockpot liners not easily coming clean in the dishwasher.

Post# 481271 , Reply# 4 12/13/2010 at 03:06 (4,877 days old) by dj-gabriele ()
Checkrate/Likes Oh good! That's how a dishwasher should look like when started :) I hope all came clean nicely!

Post# 481282 , Reply# 5 12/13/2010 at 05:55 (4,876 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *The morning* after: Lower rack: everything is clean. The crockpot liner had residue from a chuck (pot) roast. Basically cooked on meat juices. The frying pan was used to brown the roast before slow cooking, so it had cooked on meat juices. The saucepan was used for mashed potatoes. You can see streaks or film on the pan, does not appear to be food residue, but heat tint. Finish Quantum no phosphate

Post# 481285 , Reply# 6 12/13/2010 at 06:01 (4,876 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *Upper rack* results; everything clean up here: Corning ware casserole was used to prepare creamed spinach. The saucepan had beef gravy cooked with Wondra flour for thickening. The sieve strained the gravy and was coated with beef bits, flour & gravy.

Post# 481289 , Reply# 7 12/13/2010 at 06:12 (4,876 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *Lets look* at the filters. They stay acceptably clean with scraped and mostly unrinsed dishloads. Excess amounts of loose food residue gets scraped off. We only rinse large amounts of tomato sauces. There can be the occasional bit of solid food that will be trapped in the coarse strainer. I.E. Lima bean, potato peel etc.

Post# 481291 , Reply# 8 12/13/2010 at 06:16 (4,876 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes *Nice quality cookware M.C.!* Is this a Bob-load?

Post# 481292 , Reply# 9 12/13/2010 at 06:17 (4,876 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes dirty

Post# 481293 , Reply# 10 12/13/2010 at 06:18 (4,876 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes clean What are the oddss that the lower spray-arm would end nthe positon ("on the clock") where it started? LOL The heating element was replaced to to a recall. @$$-wipe repariman didnt know that portables are encased in a botomless shell. I had to TELL him.

Post# 481294 , Reply# 11 12/13/2010 at 06:21 (4,876 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes top, clean

Post# 481296 , Reply# 12 12/13/2010 at 06:27 (4,876 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *Toggles* Lots to love about the tiered Maytag upper rack and the convenience of being able to load oversized items up top and that 13 x 9 baking pan and large cutting board along the outside edge of lower rack. Plus the centrally located flatware basket make sure your silver gets scrubbed from all sides. Very nice!

Post# 481345 , Reply# 13 12/13/2010 at 10:24 (4,876 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes I'm always amazed at the American(?) tradition of loading baking pans etc. upright - as if they were plates! One would assume these deep items don't come out clean as water only sprays up and down, not sideways.

Post# 481385 , Reply# 14 12/13/2010 at 12:42 (4,876 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Toggles...* I have that same Maytag design, and no way would it clean as well as yours. Those standing Pyrex casseroles and baking pan would have to lean in my machine. I have a similar cutting board, loaded just as yours, that emerged with tomato seeds stuck to the top. I use Heavy Wash with Hi-Temp option and Heated Dry, trying all brands of detergents. I now have yibbles adhering to the door where it meets the right-hand side of the upper rack. And a sludge residue accumulates under the door as well. All dishes are scraped, and run daily. I check to ensure there is plenty of hot water in the tub, and both arms move freely. The Maytag is about 3 years old. It replaced a Kitchen-Aid that was also 3 years old when the pump failed. This Maytag in no way compares with the far-superior tower-design Maytag I had in another house about 8 years ago. I think the next machine will be a BOL with a knob, and i'll just wash the dishes before loading like my Mother did. George

Post# 481401 , Reply# 15 12/13/2010 at 13:25 (4,876 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes Why don't you buy a bosch? They are ace :) I love europeans DW , they are awesome !

Post# 481471 , Reply# 16 12/13/2010 at 18:41 (4,876 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)
Checkrate/Likes *BOSCH AND OTHER EUROPEAN DISHWASHERS* Are all much too small inside you would never get the size load pictured in them. Otherwise the new WP built machines with the filter probably aren't any better than the European machines, except that at least they can be repaired in place. I will never install another machine that has a filter that holds food residue in the machine that the final rinse water flows through. Even my 1984 KA KDSS-20 always smells a little musty-stale when you first open it in the morning compared to the 1987 WP power Clean machine. Its not that I am lazy but why have a machine that you have to keep disassembling and cleaning when this machine does a beautiful job packed full of really dirty dishes in less than an hour. Its needed only a new inlet valve in 23 years and has never needed any type of cleaning inside.

Post# 481498 , Reply# 17 12/13/2010 at 21:03 (4,876 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *Did some cake* baking; lower rack not too heavily loaded:

Post# 481499 , Reply# 18 12/13/2010 at 21:04 (4,876 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *Cake* baking continued; upper rack

Post# 481518 , Reply# 19 12/13/2010 at 21:49 (4,876 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota)
Checkrate/Likes *Maytag Dishwasher* I love my Maytag Dishwasher, the only thing I see you have the tall glasses in the corner, I can't do that. If I did, I'd have junk inside of it since the jet's don't get into the far corners.

Post# 481534 , Reply# 20 12/13/2010 at 22:12 (4,876 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes Toggles it passes as a BobLoad. I see enough food soil on the roaster pan alone.

Post# 481537 , Reply# 21 12/13/2010 at 22:17 (4,876 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes *American(?) tradition of loading baking pans etc. upright -* Alexander, I wouldn't know how to do it any other way. I think that's one of the differences between American and foreign dishwashers. Can still do it with my tall tub Kenmore Elite (whirlpool), but did that even moreso with my old GE Potscrubber and resuolts were stellar.

Post# 481560 , Reply# 22 12/14/2010 at 01:13 (4,876 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)
Checkrate/Likes 1 I'm impressed. Maybe it's a hard water issue, but I have never, with any dishwasher I've ever owned, including my beloved KDI-21 or the current "steam powered" Thermador, had a crock pot liner come out perfectly clean, even when aimed straight down on the bottom rack. I also don't get results like Steve did with a roasting pan standing on its side. They have to be at least tilted, and for sure have completely unobstructed spraying action from the wash arm.

Post# 481575 , Reply# 23 12/14/2010 at 04:56 (4,876 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes 2 *Filters...* I have a german whirlpool , and it has self cleaning filters. I only clean it once a month or 2 months , because it is always clean :) hmm , I know the europeans are a bit smaller , but I think they clean better than the americans :)

Post# 481576 , Reply# 24 12/14/2010 at 05:03 (4,876 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)
Checkrate/Likes Our two year old Maytag cleans very well. We never have any left over bits anywhere inside it. And we never rinse the dishes or pots/pans first. How hot is the water going into your machine, and do you have Hi Temp Wash selected?

Post# 481577 , Reply# 25 12/14/2010 at 05:24 (4,876 days old) by magic clean ()
Checkrate/Likes *Ralph* most cooked, baked & dried on food soils, stains and films are sucessfully washed away with no manual intervention. I think it can be attributed to the main wash cycle time of nearly an hour in this machine and good detergent. The crock pot liner really was not that heavily soiled. No starchy type soils involved. It was just cooked on fatty film of beef broth. When heavy starch residue is involved, often; the liner emerges with a 'haze' that requires additional hand cleaning. Liquid Bar Keeepers Friend on a sponge wipes the remaining film away quite easily. It also works great to brighten up discolored stainless steel.

Post# 481585 , Reply# 26 12/14/2010 at 07:05 (4,875 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)
Checkrate/Likes *Whirlcool...* A thermometer is on Santa's list, but the water is scalding to the touch, and the water heater is set beyond the "normal" position. I do use the "Hi-Temp Wash", so it seems that should compensate as well. Have you ever noticed a line of residue hidden beneath the door? Take a paper towel and give it a wipe to see. Tonight, I will exercise the "Sanitize" option and see if there's a difference. Chances are, it will still be running when I awake tomorrow morning. George

Post# 481586 , Reply# 27 12/14/2010 at 07:14 (4,875 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes How powerful is your DW's heater? I don't remember mine but I think it is 2150 watts. I only use the "Auto normal 40-55�C" or 104-131�F. Some timer I use the Sanitize option , wich heat up the final rinse to 167�F.

Post# 481598 , Reply# 28 12/14/2010 at 09:02 (4,875 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes 1 "BOSCH AND OTHER EUROPEAN DISHWASHERS Are all much too small inside you would never get the size load pictured in them. Otherwise the new WP built machines with the filter probably aren't any better than the European machines, except that at least they can be repaired in place. I will never install another machine that has a filter that holds food residue in the machine that the final rinse water flows through" Lol. Can easily fit tonnes into European dishwashers, easily similar amounts to what's pictured in threads on here, and again theres is that myth that filters hold residues for eternity. The design of filters in European dishwashers is so that it filters the water during recirculation, but once the water is drained out, the residue is drained out along with the rinse water, only leaving coarse food remains which shouldn't be there in the first place if one scrapes. The final rinse is done with nothing but clean, hot water. For whatever it's worth, I've never had a dishwasher that smells stale either if you open it in the morning, unless obviously it's had dirty dishes in it festering for god knows how long. Not just that but filters aren't forever being cleaned out... I did my parents last time I was there for what must have been the first time in 6 months perhaps more and there was nothing in there except for a chicken bone. Jon

Post# 481600 , Reply# 29 12/14/2010 at 09:08 (4,875 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Its not that I am lazy but why have a machine that you have* Because you don't........ I've never cleaned a filter on any dishwasher we've owned... On occasions where I have checked the filter it has always been completely empty. Never any lingering smells either. And yes, I could certainly fit the loads pictured above into MOST dishwashers I have used (Excluding a Zanussi...horrible thing that was!) Matt

Post# 481617 , Reply# 30 12/14/2010 at 10:40 (4,875 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Quote: I'm always amazed at the American(?) tradition of loading baking pans etc. upright - as if they were plates! One would assume these deep items don't come out clean as water only sprays up and down, not sideways. Actually the ENDS of the spray-arms have water-jet holes at an angle to scour the corners of the machine and to spin the wash-arm.

Post# 481620 , Reply# 31 12/14/2010 at 10:47 (4,875 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Toggles - I actually load roasting tins/oven trays like that sometimes, and they too come out clean. Space saving too! Jon

Post# 481626 , Reply# 32 12/14/2010 at 11:12 (4,875 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes Good I'm glad. I never thought of it as cultural! LOL. Listen Euro-boys. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to have a Bosch dishwasher. Pain-in-the-butt manual-clean filter and all. No one in North America ever said it cleans bad...actually I have heard "there is no better" in terms of cleaning and quiet. My only issue with it is that it is hard to load BASED ON WHAT I AM USED TO. There are not enough rows of tines in the lower rack, to my taste. It appears to fit far fewer dishes and pieces of crockery than I have become accustomed to. Please don't be insulted when we critique engineering and designs we are not used to. It is not intended as an insult, I'm sure! Perhaps a better way to measure efficiency is to measure TIME, WATER , ELECTRICITY, CAPACITY and results. To use little water yet wash few things is not to my thinking any gain in efficiency. And one (I.e. governments and testing agencies) should perhaps add in the water needed to rinse manual-clean filters (American AND European) in the efficiency ratings. I, for one, love European products in general. Adjusting to them and paying the ridiculous prices we are charged for them is another issue! LOL My biggest fantasy is to have a set consisting of of a Euro. Miele or Asko boil-washer and a condenser dryer. I nearly faint ever time Mike K (from the UK) posts his Maytag badged Askos! LOL Thanks for the post Jon. Always good to see you posting.

Post# 481636 , Reply# 33 12/14/2010 at 11:40 (4,875 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)
Checkrate/Likes On Maytag dishwashers the Sanitize option just raises the final rinse to a high temp as noted above. We use it because we wash dog bowls along with our own and want to be sure they are sanitized.

Post# 481644 , Reply# 34 12/14/2010 at 12:04 (4,875 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes Quote: I have that same Maytag design, and no way would it clean as well as yours. Those standing Pyrex casseroles and baking pan would have to lean in my machine. I have a similar cutting board, loaded just as yours, that emerged with tomato seeds stuck to the top. I use Heavy Wash with Hi-Temp option and Heated Dry, trying all brands of detergents. The hot water (for the taps) in my apartment building is generated by a tankless coil in the STEAM boiler (the heating of apartments is done by steam), the tap water is PLENTY Hot. I still have phosphate-laden DW detergent. The neighboring state of Connecticut still sells it (with phosphates) so I stocked-up recently. I think that due to the level of grease and MUCK, I ran a "RINSE ONLY" with two full cups of detergent BEFORE running a regular cycle with the heated wash and a cool-dry. Honestly the only thing these energy regulations has accomplished (in my mind) is to turn fully-automatic machines into semi-automatic ones in the sense that they need to be run through more than one cycle/programme to get acceptable results.

Post# 481646 , Reply# 35 12/14/2010 at 12:08 (4,875 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)
Checkrate/Likes oh Allen, my germ-freak mother would just DIE! When it is YOUR pet it's a totally different thing. I look at it this way, there have probably been FAR dirtier things in my mouth. Say my fingers for instance. LOL undertakers say this is by FAR the dirtiest part of the body. ROFLMAO.

Post# 481708 , Reply# 36 12/14/2010 at 18:18 (4,875 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)
Checkrate/Likes I must be blessed (in the house anyway) I'm on my third high-end Fridg DW and am very pleased. They all have run daily, no pre-rinsing and all cookware goes in and it all comes out great

Post# 481713 , Reply# 37 12/14/2010 at 18:36 (4,875 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes George, I run Lemmeshine (can get it at WallyWorld) about every two to 3 months. it removes sludge build-up, calcium deposits, cleans out the machine. You may have a Whirlpool produced Maytag, the age of your machine puts it right about the time Maytag was switched to Whirlpool based dishwahers. My Kenmore Elite branded Kitchenaid gets filthy bobloads all the time. Everything emerges spotless 99% of the time.

Post# 481778 , Reply# 38 12/15/2010 at 01:15 (4,875 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes Two threads about German BobLoads� http://mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/forum/42838121nx1057/alles-ueber-spuelmaschinen-f11/der-bobload-thread-t889.html http://mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/forum/42838121nx1057/alles-ueber-spuelmaschinen-f11/wie-ich-unseren-spueler-immer-einraeume-t233.html This is what I mean by tilting items forward: I don't think these items would have come out clean had I loaded them sideways. I do that, sometimes, for lightly soiled stuff but everything that sat in the oven at 400F (like the stuff below) goes in facing the jets.

Post# 481787 , Reply# 39 12/15/2010 at 04:48 (4,875 days old) by dj-gabriele ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 Oh yes! The German one has my seal of approval on how a dishwasher should be loaded and behave! :) And I love the go anywhere bins like in my SMEG!

Post# 481789 , Reply# 40 12/15/2010 at 05:17 (4,875 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)
Checkrate/Likes 1 I find that I can actually fit way more in the Euro machines than I could in the domestic machines. Like anything, it may take a few weeks for someone used to the Euro machines to be able to actually stuff an American machine efficiently and vice-versa. Having used both kinds, I can tell you that if you have thin, Euro-standard dishes (some of the Corelle qualifies), there are more tines in the Euro machines, you can frequently fit a full service for 14-16 people, while American machines can often barely do service for 12, but you can easily fit Fiestaware dishes, which are hard to put anywhere or need 2-3 consecutive spaces in an Euro machine (particularly the bowls). The filter is really a red-herring -- not only it's mostly self-cleaning, but it's actually easier to clean than the grates of the American machines with built-in disposers, you just take the filter out and rinse it instead of picking stuff up from the grates one by one. Also, when you rinse the filter, you use typically less than a gallon of cold water once every 30 cycles or so, sometimes as infrequently as twice a year. That saves an enormous amount of energy compared to machines that used over 6 gallons of hot water per cycle, not to mention it takes only 30 seconds or so as opposed to 2-5 minutes to clean the grates that protect the disposers/pumps from twist ties, screws, pieces of glass but also pasta, small pieces of hotdogs, ground beef etc in the American machines. When friends ask me to help them choose a new dishwasher, they come to me with "what should I buy?" types of questions, they want to know brand and model. I never answer them in those terms. We pick a day they are free for at least a couple of hours, I pick them up at home and I make them pick 3 of each dish type (3 cereal bowls, 3 plates, 3 dinner plates, glasses, stemware etc), the dishes they use the most often that have weird sizes/shapes and sometimes silverware if it looks weirdly shaped/sized. We bring those to a store and try the machines with actual dishes. I can't tell you how many times people were all set to buy a specific model/brand and came up with something else because they did not feel like discarding old dishes and buying stuff that would fit the new machine. I also had at least a handful of people that came up with an Euro machine (usually Bosch) thank me later because they felt it fit more, cleaned better and was easier to clean the filter every once in a while than picking up spaghetti from the grates when their tykes "helped" load the machine. Conversely, I have at least one friend that was all set to get an Euro machine and ended up with an American machine who thanked me later too because his stoneware dishes were important to him. None of my friends remembers being "embarrassed" at the store with their dishes shopping around, in fact, usually, the other shoppers say "what a good idea, I should have thought of that!" and start following us around. My take on it is that one doesn't blindly buy a dishwasher in the same way that one doesn't blindly buy a car. I had troubles with machines (we have naturally soft water around here) that some of you love and vice-versa. Two different brands of cars may both be wonderful, but some people will prefer the arrangement of the dashboard/controls in one and some the other.

Post# 481791 , Reply# 41 12/15/2010 at 05:58 (4,874 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Wow...Transatlantic BobLoads...* I had a Bosch in another house and loved it, except for the fact that I couldn't put the dishes away within an hour of completion without a drying towel...if I waited overnight, it wasn't an issue. No problem with filters, odors, loading, and loved the quiet. Thanks for the additive tip, Bob...I've been intending to get some Tang as well... Used the Sanitize option last night...still have yibbles in the tub this morning...will look more closely this evening...must be a pump issue...water is hot, arms move freely, and I have enough phosphated Cascade/Cascade Complete to last till 2012... maybe I need a KDS18?... George

Post# 481798 , Reply# 42 12/15/2010 at 07:38 (4,874 days old) by tlee618 ()
Checkrate/Likes That's exactly what you need George!!!

Post# 481815 , Reply# 43 12/15/2010 at 08:35 (4,874 days old) by logixx (Germany)
Checkrate/Likes *Wait!* So you're saying that the grinder does not even catch stuff like spaghetti? Is this particular to one brand of dishwashers or do all modern units with grinders leave things like peas etc. in the bottom? Ditto on thick plates in Euro dishwashers: I usually load them in the front row because the tines are spaced further apart.

Post# 481874 , Reply# 44 12/15/2010 at 14:28 (4,874 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)
Checkrate/Likes My everyday dishes are Fiestaware along with another thick brand and I don't have any trouble fitting it in my Euro model. Bottom Rack

Post# 481875 , Reply# 45 12/15/2010 at 14:29 (4,874 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)
Checkrate/Likes Middle rack:

Post# 481897 , Reply# 46 12/15/2010 at 16:05 (4,874 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)
Checkrate/Likes *by what criteria do you say...* that youc annot fit as much in a bosch dishwasher as you could in a US brand? I have had Asko, Whirlpool (2) and now a Bosch. I find that there is not that much difference. HOWEVER: I use Corelle wear and it IS slim enough to fit in the tines. I DO find the upper rack somewhat annoying; there are 2 rows for small plates/bowls with side bits for glasses. I'd rather have one as I can't always get enough saucers etc. up top when I want to put tea / coffee mugs in. I can also put my oven racks in the bosch, just like I could in the whirlpool. I couldn't do that in the Asko, that WAS smaller than the Whirlpool. I question whether a Bosch is though.

Post# 481960 , Reply# 47 12/15/2010 at 23:58 (4,874 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)
Checkrate/Likes Jerrod said: "My everyday dishes are Fiestaware along with another thick brand and I don't have any trouble fitting it in my Euro model. " Alex said: "Wait! So you're saying that the grinder does not even catch stuff like spaghetti? Is this particular to one brand of dishwashers or do all modern units with grinders leave things like peas etc. in the bottom? Ditto on thick plates in Euro dishwashers: I usually load them in the front row because the tines are spaced further apart." I'm not saying that no Euro-style dws fit Fiestaware. I'm saying that racks vary and one should definitely be aware of that fact when shopping; I'm also saying that racks vary for the same manufacture from the TOL models to the BOL models and also from year to year. If someone has a $500 budget and that model Miele happens to have a rack with closely spaced tines that don't fit Fiestaware, your options are more limited and may push you towards an American model. For example, I know of at least one example of a person who owned a Bosch and 9 years later intended to buy another one and didn't because the racks had changed enough that their dishes wouldn't fit well, so they got another brand. The TOL Miele will pretty much fit more than any other dishwasher, and with very few exceptions. As for extreme examples, I usually stop paying attention when people bring up stuff like oven racks. Yes, it'd be great if they also fit, but I'd probably pick a machine that can fit more dishes, clean better and be quieter over a loud, energy waster that can't fit as many regular dishes, primarily because I don't wash my oven racks that often, but also because usually oven racks don't tend to fare well in dws anyway, so if I'm gonna need to handwash, I'll just do that once. That doesn't mean my opinion should affect anyone else's life, if they think the opposite, it's a free country, the other models are legal and for sale, I'd say go for it, I won't think any better or worse of someone because of the appliances they choose -- live and let live is what I say. Alex, as for the disposers. Yes, they'll get rid of pasta. But you see, first the pasta will have to get thru the grates that protect the pump/disposer module from hazardous things like twist ties, glass shards, screws etc. Some grates are tighter than others and manufacturers change the design from time to time -- too small a grate and people complain about food they now need to clean by hand, too coarse a grate and people complain of broken pump modules, one just can't win really. The link shows a picture of an older (probably 20 years ago) GE machine, the picture of the Maytag above doesn't really show how large the grate is (it's the round gray structure in the sump). Things like long strands of spaghetti and ziti are unlike to pass thru, but the truth is that those should have been scraped off the dishes before loading anyway. To make things more confusing, ten years ago or so Frigidaire used to sell a model that for all intents and purposes had a filter very similar to the Euro-style machines, but it was advertised as selfcleaning and Consumer Reports listed it as such. I think each manufacturer spins things in the best possible light for them. As a friend from the Netherlands who lived here for 15 years used to say, one can buy the exact same cosmetic here and in Europe, but in America the ads will proudly say "Ancient European beauty secrets" and in Europe they'll say "Advanced American technology". Let the buyer beware. ;-) CLICK HERE TO GO TO earthling177's LINK

Post# 481966 , Reply# 48 12/16/2010 at 00:41 (4,874 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)
Checkrate/Likes Found a few more pictures for Alex, showing the grating protecting the pump modules. Here's a BOL Whirlpool, probably 10 years old or so: www.american-appliance.com/images... A KitchenAid machine, rather recent model: en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_To_Repa... More recent GE (scroll to the middle to see the sump and grate): www.handymanhowto.com/2010/04/25/... Maytag: www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtm... and a more recent model: www.technicianbrian.com/2008/08/i... Cheers, -- Paulo.

Post# 482174 , Reply# 49 12/16/2010 at 21:13 (4,873 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *As for dog bowls......* Yes, we have had a few guests look funny when they see dog food bowls loaded in the DW along with our own. The dogs are fed only dry dog food, so their bowls are clean when they go into the DW. We run the DW on Normal Cycle with the sanitize option. (2:04) Since there are 4 dogs, there are 4 bowls. It doesn't bother us. The glasses come out sparking without any specks on them. So we figure if the glassware is that clean, the dishes must be too.

Post# 482266 , Reply# 50 12/17/2010 at 06:53 (4,872 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)
Checkrate/Likes *Well, I have to say* That since seeing Magic-Cleans and Appnuts dishwashers, Those are what I really want. I Bought a Bosch 4 yrs ago. I just had to have the Bosch bacause while at my "sister-in-laws" during a hurricane, she let me take over the clean up of the kitchen after meals. She has the exact same Bosch that I bought. OOOHHH it was so quiet, and everything came out so beautifully clean, OH, OH, OH, just had to have it!!!!. Not keeping my wits about me and not remembering that my lovely "sister-in-law" only puts dishes and flatware in her dishwasher, NEVER pots and pans. I purchased the Bosch. Well, 4 yrs later I so wish I had gotten either the Kenmore like Appnuts or a Kitchenaid. Having that open space on the left side of the bottom rack (which is what i'm use to having) makes such a huge difference when loading. Being able to stand up a baking dish or fry pan in that area, greatly increases how much you can put in your dishwasher.

Post# 482347 , Reply# 51 12/17/2010 at 15:44 (4,872 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)
Checkrate/Likes *I load my Bosch similar to how logixx loads his DW...* ...but then again, my ancestors came from K�nigsberg in East Prussia in 1868. So maybe it figures. I load deep pans in a tilted fashion, unless lightly soiled (perhaps a serving platter that held vegetables, etc.). The only area in which I cannot comment is whether loading in this fashion is good for pots used to boil potatoes, since I never BOIL potatoes (unlike many residents of Germany).

Post# 482348 , Reply# 52 12/17/2010 at 15:49 (4,872 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)
Checkrate/Likes *@whirlcool* Given my dog's propensity to dispense unsolicited kisses (if you carelessly place your head within three feet of her head), cleaning her dry food bowls in the DW with a sanitize cycle (PowerScrubPlus in a Bosch) is way less bacteriogenic than one of her kisses. She is a Chesapeake Bay Retriever--the Rottweiler of the retriever world--and if you don't bend down to snuggle with her, she will jump up and land a kiss on your face, without your permission. She uses quart-size stainless steel bowls, two for water (inside and outside) and one for food (inside). They fit nicely in the back of the lower rack, and always come out sparkling clean.

Post# 482702 , Reply# 53 12/19/2010 at 13:46 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *German Whirlpool ...* Just showing this burned dish I put today in my whirlpool , it is still washing. When it'll be done I'll take another pics.

Post# 482703 , Reply# 54 12/19/2010 at 13:52 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *pic 2* ...

Post# 482704 , Reply# 55 12/19/2010 at 13:54 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *Video..* I made a video to show you the load :) CLICK HERE TO GO TO jlbrazil's LINK

Post# 482714 , Reply# 56 12/19/2010 at 15:11 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *Final rinse* Here's a pic of the beginning of the final rinse with clear water :)

Post# 482725 , Reply# 57 12/19/2010 at 16:26 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *Results* Awesome :) CLICK HERE TO GO TO jlbrazil's LINK

Post# 482750 , Reply# 58 12/19/2010 at 18:00 (4,870 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes Thank you John. I'm impressed. By the look of that pyrex dish and the pans, the meal must have been very tasty. What did you cook? I definitely would say that's got a bobLoad certification just because of that pyrex dish alone lol.

Post# 482753 , Reply# 59 12/19/2010 at 18:12 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *Bob.* Haha , I did a recipe of chicken baked with potatoes :) It was pretty good.

Post# 482755 , Reply# 60 12/19/2010 at 18:15 (4,870 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes An (underfilled) load from tonight's Sunday roast

Post# 482758 , Reply# 61 12/19/2010 at 18:17 (4,870 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Middle rack

Post# 482759 , Reply# 62 12/19/2010 at 18:19 (4,870 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Top rack

Post# 482762 , Reply# 63 12/19/2010 at 18:35 (4,870 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Bob, do my Pyrex measuring jugs qualify mine for Bobload status too? lol Hope your keeping well, Jon

Post# 482766 , Reply# 64 12/19/2010 at 19:04 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes . Nice dishwasher Jon. Nice load too , I just love dishwashers :)

Post# 482768 , Reply# 65 12/19/2010 at 19:12 (4,870 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes *(underfilled) load from tonight's Sunday roast* Jon, I'll use U.S. terms. I'd say the bottom rack is definitely BobLoad status. As for the top rack, that still has some space in it I can see. And the pyrex measuring cups don't qualify to be soiled enough. The cutlery tray definitely has some space. Mind you, I've never played with a machine, nor seen one in person, with a cutlery tray so I dodn't have an appreciation for how the water gets there other than from the top of the tub. But, I'll give ya extra points because I see rice on those eating utensils. But here's my unknowledgeable question, could one of those bowls from the top rack be place face down in the cutlery tray and get clean? Or something e3lse very low in height that could be placed up in the cutlery tray to utilize some of that open space?

Post# 482772 , Reply# 66 12/19/2010 at 19:16 (4,870 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes John, chicken baked with potatoes sounds very good. Wanna email me a recipe?

Post# 482773 , Reply# 67 12/19/2010 at 19:21 (4,870 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *Recipe* Oh , tomorrow I'll send you. Just don't send you know coz it isn't a good idea try to find a paper in the drawers at mid night when parents are already sleeping lol

Post# 482782 , Reply# 68 12/19/2010 at 19:37 (4,870 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes LOL. Not a problem!!! I'm curious. I don't equate chicken and potatoes like I do beef & potatoes.

Post# 482783 , Reply# 69 12/19/2010 at 19:38 (4,870 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)
Checkrate/Likes Hi Bob, The tray has about an inch or two clearance underneath the top spray arm with the set up as it is - there is a combination where you can lower the middle section of the tray so as to accommodate deeper utensils such as whisks, ladles, eggcups etc. Water is sprayed from the top, and also water reaches underneath from the middle basket. I can place serving spoons, spatulas etc face down and both sides will still be clean. The tin opener at the front-right of the middle rack would probably fit in the tray, as well as the teabag saucer face down. The large Pyrex bowl was only used for a sauce mix hence little residue, though the soup in the small Pyrex jug was dried on. Normally I would have been able to put more in the top rack, but I wanted my favourite tea mug for the morning so put it on tonight :-). BTW, the black roasting tray and the oval casserole dish had baked on soiling, and the middle-right saucepan had dried on potato-starch. Wait for Christmas day, my annual Christmas-day dishwasher loads will be posted :). Jon

Post# 482865 , Reply# 70 12/19/2010 at 23:51 (4,870 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes Jon, thanks for the explanation. Glad you'll have your favorite tea mug for the morning. I look forward to those Christmas day dish loads of yours!!

Post# 482913 , Reply# 71 12/20/2010 at 08:41 (4,869 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)
Checkrate/Likes *Hey jlbrazil...* Very impressive results!!!... Just curious... How long was the cycle with the baked chicken and potatoes Pyrex dish?... George

Post# 482914 , Reply# 72 12/20/2010 at 08:47 (4,869 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil)
Checkrate/Likes *lovestowash* I used the Heavy cycle , so it took around 2 hours. At the beginning it showed 2:40 because I selected the "sani" option , but as it heats very quickly , it cuted out some minutes :)

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