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Post# 482099   12/16/2010 at 16:39 (4,851 days old) by Travis ()        

Hi guys,

I have had a 55 set for quite awhile now. I recently got a 49/50 set. I am wanting to rebuild the older set this spring. What should I use for a replacement boot? I am trading off the 55 set to another collector.

I'll post pics of the 50 set as soon as I find my camera and feel like braving the ice.

Travis





Post# 482143 , Reply# 1   12/16/2010 at 18:38 (4,851 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        

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OH REALLY......WELL... you have 2 sets?? whats up with that? personally i think you should keep the older set the ones with the blue trim on the doors those are so pretty and that one i did feel up it has a good changer. anyway a long time ago greg sent me on a search for a boot for mine its some sort of frigidaire boot that you have to retro fit into the machine. ill do some looking online to see if i can find it again. your gonna have fun with that baby she has to come all the way apart but it does work and whey are wonderful washers. hugs

Post# 482146 , Reply# 2   12/16/2010 at 18:53 (4,851 days old) by Travis ()        

Chris,

I found the washer like yours locally. Last week, I was traveling to Ohio and stumbled across the matching dryer in Indianapolis.

The other set is a 55 with the grey plastic trim. A friend really wants them and I don't care which I keep. You can come feel up my 1950 washer. It might be good. It doesn't do anything when you try and run it.


Post# 482151 , Reply# 3   12/16/2010 at 19:08 (4,851 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        

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just had to come off with an attitude ha ha to fun.. if you like the older set thats just fine. mine was dead when i got it too im sure for starts a timer is needed ill have to ask paul where he got his. stick you hand into the drum and turn it it should turn clock wise then try and turn it counter clock wise and see if the drum stops, your checking the prawl in the changer.

Post# 482277 , Reply# 4   12/17/2010 at 07:34 (4,850 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        

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see they really do come apart

Post# 482290 , Reply# 5   12/17/2010 at 09:16 (4,850 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Pump question and Is that machine in the photo 27" or 30

Christfr:

Here we had a 1947 model when I grew up. In 1976 we got a 3 belt potato pulley model that I have today.


Your pump looks like maybe? the same as one in a 3 belt westy; ie 5300165317 Q165317.

The reason I ask about the 30" width is the 5300165317 pump kit's instructions mention making the distance longer between the c clips on the drive spring for the 30" model.

I have not seen a model like yours in years and was wondering if is the same pump or not.

I thought the old pumps were different in the body, but used the same impeller, drive spring and seals, but are really using ancient brain cells thus maybe full of it.

When I was a kid the pumps were black or brown in color, then later they went to a white plastic. When a pump leaked the repair guy for our old beast just replaced the seals. One of my earliest remembering as a toddler is the repair guy working on that black pump. Also seeing an unbalanced machine walk too!


Post# 482473 , Reply# 6   12/18/2010 at 10:02 (4,849 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SLANT FRONT WH WASHERS

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The SF washers were all 30" wide except the SF combos that we have are 32" in width. All the SF washers do use the same water pump kit with slight adjustment to the drive spring length. The original pump bodies were case pot metal and then were changed in the 1950s to black Bakelite plastic,then in the early 1970s they went to white polypropylene plastic I don't know the exact years of these changes.

Post# 482503 , Reply# 7   12/18/2010 at 13:43 (4,849 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
SF pump again.

For clairity;

Does this mean a 3 belt westy; ie 5300165317 Q165317 pump fits a slant front washer? It is in these instructions in mentions lengthening the distance when used on a 30" model.


Post# 482508 , Reply# 8   12/18/2010 at 14:08 (4,849 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
5300165317

5300165317 pump for Oval potato pulley machines

Post# 482529 , Reply# 9   12/18/2010 at 16:06 (4,849 days old) by austinado16 ()        

Sounds like a fun project.

When I rebuilt my '53 LB-6 I used a grey boot off a later Westinghouse front loader. The only "mod" needed to use this boot, was that the inner lip had to turn inside out, and then be clamped to the tub's rim using a banding clamp. I worked for a car dealership at the time, and in the parts dept. we had banding clamp material on a roll, in bulk. So I cut off the length that I needed, and added the seperate tightening piece. Worked great for almost 13 years until the grey boot finally cracked and came apart to the point that I was no longer able to patch it.

I installed an original boot about a year ago.

The LB-6 and it's matching D-6 dryer have been out daily drivers since about 1996/97.


Post# 482535 , Reply# 10   12/18/2010 at 16:41 (4,849 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
SF Boot question

Austinado16;

Re

"When I rebuilt my '53 LB-6 I used a grey boot off a later Westinghouse front loader. The only "mod" needed to use this boot, was that the inner lip had to turn inside out, and then be clamped to the tub's rim using a banding clamp."


****Is the "later Westinghouse front loader." the 3 belt westinghouse with boot 5303261132 Q133321 like in this image:


To make a giant hose clamp an ancient method is to just connect in series many dryer 4" hose clamps; thus one needs about 3 to 4 for a boot this size.


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Post# 482560 , Reply# 11   12/18/2010 at 19:12 (4,849 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SLANT FRONT WH WASHERS

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Yes the pump you pictured should fit the 30" models.

Post# 482561 , Reply# 12   12/18/2010 at 19:12 (4,849 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SLANT FRONT WH WASHERS

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Yes the pump you pictured should fit the 30" models.

Post# 482562 , Reply# 13   12/18/2010 at 19:12 (4,849 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SLANT FRONT WH WASHERS

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Yes the pump you pictured should fit the 30" models.

Post# 482589 , Reply# 14   12/18/2010 at 20:29 (4,848 days old) by austinado16 ()        

3beltwesty....

Yes, that looks like it. Once installed it doesn't stay circular though because of how it has to open up and get deeper in order to span the distance from the tub to the front panel. But at the time, 2 or 3 years before I joined here, it was all that I could find and it helped me rescue the machine.

Right after putting the machine back together, I found and original boot, which I still have.

I've also modded a couple of the later water pumps to work, and they do just fine.


Post# 483071 , Reply# 15   12/21/2010 at 00:25 (4,846 days old) by Travis ()        
pics

Here are my new babies. The tub won't turn in either direction. :-(

It feels so satisfying to match them up.


Post# 483229 , Reply# 16   12/21/2010 at 17:48 (4,846 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        

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yeah now we both have a set of twins.. they are gonna be wonderful cant wait to see them in person.. start gathering up parts.. what are all the other jems in the back ground????

Post# 483235 , Reply# 17   12/21/2010 at 18:24 (4,846 days old) by Travis ()        
Parts ordered

Ok, I ordered a couple boots and a couple pumps. Chris, where can I get these painted?

Post# 483237 , Reply# 18   12/21/2010 at 19:05 (4,846 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        

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well i guess you can always look for a shop that can powder coat them but id i show you mine? i did both of them with with spray epoxy and they turned out ok

Post# 483410 , Reply# 19   12/22/2010 at 09:39 (4,845 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Nice machines Travis!

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Where did you order your boots from, I should get a spare to have on hand.

Thanks Jetcone


Post# 483425 , Reply# 20   12/22/2010 at 10:52 (4,845 days old) by Travis ()        

I ordered that Frigidaire boot that was mentioned above. I had chased the Westinghouse boot for a couple years and gave up.

Post# 483432 , Reply# 21   12/22/2010 at 11:14 (4,845 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
5303261132 is mostly called the old Westinghouse front load

The Frigidaire boot 5303261132 Q133321 is for newer 3 belt Westinghouse, White Westinghouse, Gibson, Kenmore, Wards, J C Penney and Frigidaire machines of the 1960's thru early/mid 1990's. It might fit the 1950's spacemates too.


Austinado16 up the thread mentions using the newer boot on the older machines RE :

""When I rebuilt my '53 LB-6 I used a grey boot off a later Westinghouse front loader. The only "mod" needed to use this boot, was that the inner lip had to turn inside out, and then be clamped to the tub's rim using a banding clamp." "


An actual 5303261132 Q133321 Boot one buys has new old stock can have the Westinghouse, Frigidarie, Sears, Monkey Wards on the box; or just the part number. One I got 2 years ago had the wrapper marked with every Electrolux brand name under their umbrella.

5303261132 is most often called the boot for older front load westinghouses by most folks, and they forget about the older boot.

5303261132 shows up on ebay usually several times per year; the black boot for the 1950's L units shows up maybe once a year.



Post# 483442 , Reply# 22   12/22/2010 at 11:53 (4,845 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WH WASHER DOOR BOOTS

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The 5303261132 boot fits 1959-1994 full size FL machines. It did not fit any Space-Mates before they went to the 27" cabinets in 1964. It does seem that many people have been able to get this boot to fit many other models.

Post# 483463 , Reply# 23   12/22/2010 at 13:20 (4,845 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
boot kitS; old part numbers

Here are some old boot part numbers and models they fit

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Post# 483469 , Reply# 24   12/22/2010 at 13:29 (4,845 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Q-4689

Another boot is the Q4689; the link to this same site says it fits spacemates

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Post# 483471 , Reply# 25   12/22/2010 at 13:37 (4,845 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
zoo of part numbers

In the zoom of old part numbers the latest 5303261132 boot is the same as : * Q000047969 * Q000047970 * Q000047971 * Q000133321 * Q133321 * WQ133321 * 08015218 * 3261132 Thus an ebay or old parts house part is often listed by an older obscure number too

Post# 483501 , Reply# 26   12/22/2010 at 14:42 (4,845 days old) by austinado16 ()        

This is becoming a great thread for us Westinghouse Laundromat lovers. IMO, it's not being able to get a boot that will ultimately be the death of these cool machines. It'd also be nice to find a source for the rubber gasket that goes between the 2 halves of the outer wash tub. I've reused mine now twice and doubt I'll be so lucky next time.

Post# 483505 , Reply# 27   12/22/2010 at 15:01 (4,845 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

The tub gasket for my 1976 Westinghouse LT570 is 5303261135 old repair clinic 622756 old Q000127581. I could not find any 5 1/2 years ago via the Internet. Several places like repair clinic and 1-1 parts said they had them, then they got back ordered, then the orders got canceled after 2 months. I ended up getting one from Cashwells in North Carolina via a phone request; when I was buying some other parts. Now they are better linked to the web and they show they have 9. The old Tub Gasket part number for the B and C series was 1145078 and 1465275 for models L4 to LV114 I have no clues if the 5303261135 is even remotely close to either tub gasket or not. One could just place a big wide bead of RTV on one piece and let it dry; then use that as the gasket too.

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Post# 483569 , Reply# 28   12/22/2010 at 18:07 (4,845 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
WESTINGHOUSE PRE 1959 MODELS AND TUBS

The later models at the bottom of the list are 3 belt machines. But are they a round or potato type pulley? The pulley's part number of Q51167 shows little google details. Its federal NSN: 5120-00-632-2026 Part No goes "This NSN was canceled on 05/30/1974, reason: - ITEM IS CANCELLED-INACTIVE" The OVAL potato pulley is Eccentric Pulley Part Number: 5300198194 Q137175 * 08015219 * 3261152 * Q000048031 * Q000051211 * Q000071816 * Q000133591 * Q000133592 * Q000137175 * Q000198194 * Q137175 * Q198194 * WQ133592 * WQ137175 * WQ138642 * WQ198194 A fellow on ebay had a round slow speed pulley with the clutch spring last month.

Post# 483605 , Reply# 29   12/22/2010 at 20:05 (4,845 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
POTATO PULLEY

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Was introduced in 1959 on full sized models only, it was never used on the slanted tub [ clothes tanglers ] I think 1959 was the biggest improvement in the performance of WH FL washers. I do like the early machines however but they were a different beast.

Post# 483729 , Reply# 30   12/23/2010 at 10:00 (4,844 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Betty's Basket looks like a space satellite!

New Way to wash clothes in 1954!

Post# 483732 , Reply# 31   12/23/2010 at 10:11 (4,844 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
GONE FOR GOOD in 1956!

Complete agitation.

More from Betty


Post# 483734 , Reply# 32   12/23/2010 at 10:27 (4,844 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
25 " SPACE SAVER IN 1955

Betty hawking more washers!

Post# 483747 , Reply# 33   12/23/2010 at 11:13 (4,844 days old) by randycmaynard ()        
Guys that's the set!!!!

Above in the 1956 Ad is a picture of the '56 Washer and Dryer Deluxe set - that is exactly the machine that my grandmother had that used to stand in front of with a flashlight just mezmorized at the wash/spin/rinse/spin action. Someone in another thread was asking what the '56s looked like - that's it! It's that '56 Deluxe washer that is the final piece to my small collection - that's the one to find and I'll be done!

Post# 483778 , Reply# 34   12/23/2010 at 13:37 (4,844 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
OCT 1954 WESTINGHOUSE ADVERT

ONLY 3.15 dollars per week!

Post# 483781 , Reply# 35   12/23/2010 at 13:48 (4,844 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Portable too...

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Wow! Wouldn't a portable to wheel around your kitchen be fun?

Malcolm


Post# 483827 , Reply# 36   12/23/2010 at 16:42 (4,844 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Great thread!

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Lots of info, that Betty Furness kept her professional figure for the camera! No extra turkey there!



Post# 483829 , Reply# 37   12/23/2010 at 17:07 (4,844 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Betty has 2 Stars

Betty has 2 Stars

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Post# 483831 , Reply# 38   12/23/2010 at 17:16 (4,844 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
behind the scenes image

The link here has a behind the scenes image before a Westinghouse commercial. Betty got paid about 100K per year in 1950 by westinghouse

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Post# 483832 , Reply# 39   12/23/2010 at 17:24 (4,844 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
In this link are 1952 Westinghouses

about the same stage

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Post# 484193 , Reply# 40   12/25/2010 at 09:33 (4,842 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Cool she was a consumer rights advocate

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But wow $100K/year for pitching washing machines in the 1950's! Thats real money!!

Her grandaughter has followed her into showbiz too.



Post# 484194 , Reply# 41   12/25/2010 at 09:39 (4,842 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Her earnings in 1950

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compare to today as between $890,000/yr - $1.4mil/yr!!! And she did that for 10 years WOWEEE!

Post# 484592 , Reply# 42   12/27/2010 at 15:29 (4,840 days old) by Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        
Bad News-

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Electrolux has discontinued making the 5303261132 door boot! The last time I needed one I had to search around, and ended up getting the last 1 the local parts place had. I'm sure there still some around, but if you think you might need one I would buy it soon. Jeff

Post# 484600 , Reply# 43   12/27/2010 at 16:11 (4,840 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
5303261132

This boot is still at some places as new old stock. They show up on ebay too several times per year. There are pockets of old parts that require hunting.

Post# 484749 , Reply# 44   12/28/2010 at 11:08 (4,839 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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This is an old picture of my Twins. The dryer is in storage now and the washer is resting for a while but they are fun.

I used the 5303261132 gray boot on this machine and it worked OK. When I heard they were discontinued a while back, I bought one on ebay for a spare.

Wow - that room looks completely different now, what a difference!


Post# 484861 , Reply# 45   12/28/2010 at 19:41 (4,839 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Miss. Furness's Figure

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Like any decent and well brought up lady of the 1950's Betty Furness's flesh is contained by a gridle (probably Playtex's rubber version, but there were others, equally restrictive), and perhaps a "waspie" or long line bra that besides "lifting and separating",cinched in the waist as well. *LOL*

Post# 484894 , Reply# 46   12/28/2010 at 22:21 (4,838 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
So thats how she got that

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perfect bottle figure! Industrious engineering, and not going to the gym!



Post# 484895 , Reply# 47   12/28/2010 at 22:22 (4,838 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Those twins are so cute Greg

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Westinghouse made so many of those machines its amazing!



Post# 484904 , Reply# 48   12/28/2010 at 23:20 (4,838 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Nice Girls Don't Jiggle

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Even if a woman/girl was built like a modern "Penthouse" magazine girl, all decent females past puberty wore girdles. It simply was deemed unseemly to have ones rear end look like two pigs fighting under a blanket.

Post# 484905 , Reply# 49   12/28/2010 at 23:23 (4,838 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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I wish young women would dress better now. The only thing worse than seeing "plumber's butt" on a guy is to see it on young women because of the jeans they wear now.

Post# 485013 , Reply# 50   12/29/2010 at 13:52 (4,838 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Jeff and the group ; here is another 5303261132 boot on ebay

This is not my auction.

I got a new one about two months ago on ebay for about 32 bucks with freight.

His price is fairly reasonable for the ones new ones on ebay.

I often search for spare parts for my machine on ebay, besides the normal part houses.

In the last several years I have bought a spare timer; selector button switch, water pressure switch, sliding section, even potato pulley as new or used.

The timer was not available at parts places even 12 years ago


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Post# 485015 , Reply# 51   12/29/2010 at 13:56 (4,838 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Ebay prices

Ebay prices on this "stuff" can be a lot higher or lower than a parts house. There is a lot of new old stock that pops up and items that have been NLA at parts houses often resurface on Ebay 5 or 10 years later.

Post# 485068 , Reply# 52   12/29/2010 at 19:41 (4,838 days old) by Travis ()        
Thank You

I nabbed it. I had been watching.

Post# 485293 , Reply# 53   12/30/2010 at 16:54 (4,837 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Bettys 1954 Sand test video

Cool; glad another collector got a spare boot!

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Post# 485495 , Reply# 54   12/31/2010 at 13:56 (4,836 days old) by spin-it ()        

First: Happy New Year to all AW.org members, may it be healthy and safe and may all your dream machines come your way. Which brings me to,

Second: I think my growing love of vintage washers and driers and my hope of finding one from the 50's or 60's came years too late(i've always loved them as a kid but never knew the extent of the restorations and history until finding AW.org). My search for a SF or tall tub Westy or any front loader or combo (Bendix, GE, Whirlpool) from that era seems exhaustive. Any help? And
,
Third: what purpose does a "potato pulley" serve? I would think it would make for a very rough ride for the drive belt and mechanism.
Thanks for all the input, chats, and technical knowledge on this site, it has been a great learning experience for a rookie member.


Post# 485505 , Reply# 55   12/31/2010 at 15:01 (4,836 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

i think the "potato pulley"was weant to create a "lope"in the rotation
of the drum so the clothes mix during the tumbling and don't just take
the same tumbling path again and again(best way i can think to explane
the purpose LOL)remember these old westys only rotate in one direction.
don't give up on finding a vintage prize from the '50s or '60s-
you never know what will turn up where,people are still finding real gems
on here...


Post# 485536 , Reply# 56   12/31/2010 at 17:54 (4,836 days old) by austinado16 ()        

Yep, that's the grey boot that I originally used to restore my LB-6. Glad someone here nabbed it!

IIRC, my LB-6 has a round pulley. I don't recall seeing it look oval when running.




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Post# 485537 , Reply# 57   12/31/2010 at 18:02 (4,836 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Potato Pulley

The Potato Pulley makes the rpm vary a bit during the wash and rinse cycles; ie non spin/extract modes. A spec sheet says 57 +/- 2 rpm one place; and 57 to 62 in another place.

The pulley is called a "multi speed pulley" in a repair manual; and "Pulley eccentric" in another, or low speed sheave too.

On this board "potato pulley" is used a lot as the term, which is decent since the pulley is not an true oval.

In some parts houses that sell washer belts; the term "egg pulley" is used too.




The having the rpm vary helps with better washing, clothes get unstuck better.




Having the potato pulley (orange in diagram ) not round means the intermediate idler pulley ( yellow in diagram) is spring loaded, thus there really are little issues. The yellow idler bobs up and down,

Re "I would think it would make for a very rough ride for the drive belt and mechanism. "

There are felt pieces between the two curved springs ( items 1 and 3 in diagram) , these can squeak if old or dry.

The weak area is the overrunning SGS clutch item 18. This is like a slinky, it overruns in spin mode when the spin pulley (in blue) is driven directly by the motor split pulley ( #45 to #48 in red ). This spring has to be lubed with a good boundary layer grease, ie one made for sliding. The giant solenoid (#52) is live in spin mode, it pushes finger (#41)and the split pulley (red) drives belt (#29)

In wash mode the SGS spring grabs the hub (#17) which is keyed to the shaft (#8)


The noisy video here is because the shaft is worn down after 30 years (in the pink area in the diagram) . The washer is in spin mode, this is crummy video I shot with a cell phone in a hokey poor mode. At the end one can see the driven Blue pulley, the back is off the washer. I have a brand new shaft (#8) that is going to be replaced in the next month.


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Post# 485543 , Reply# 58   12/31/2010 at 18:21 (4,836 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
More Potato

In the next link there is somebody elses 3 Belt machine in wash or rinse mode. One can see the idler "bobbing up and down" and the EDGE of the potato pulley. Or it might be trying to get into spin mode, but the bad bearing has the basket all flopping around.

This machine has a broken ball bearing, thus it is going a bit nuts


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Post# 485548 , Reply# 59   12/31/2010 at 18:39 (4,836 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Here is a Potato pulley on the 1976 LT570 washer with the w

Westinghouse uses two 6205 ball bearings on FL washers from 1940 to about the early 1990's, and same seal too. This is a 25mm bore bearing.

The potato pulley has a roller bearing, ie needles about say 1/8 inch diameter; say 5/8 inch long in the roller bearing. In spin mode the potato pulley is along for the ride, but the spin pulley is driven and at about 500 to 540 rpm, the potato pulleyis over run and maybe at 1/10 that speed.

The pump is driven off the motors pulley. A small solenoid pulls in the shift lever and makes the pumps hub touch the the motor pulleys rubber wheel.


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Post# 485552 , Reply# 60   12/31/2010 at 18:53 (4,836 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
DIAGRAM 3 BELT

DIAGRAM

Post# 485679 , Reply# 61   1/1/2011 at 16:04 (4,835 days old) by spin-it ()        

Thanks 3beltwesty for all the info, you sure know these machines inside and out. It's amazing that Westinghouse kept that proven design for 50 years. It obviously was a great drive system and had to make it easy for service since the same parts were used for that length of time. The SF laundromats of the 50's used that same design as a machine in the 90's? How about the Tall Tubs? In reading this thread I see that it was difficult to get the "boot", what about these drive parts? If you ever hear of an older Westy up in the Northeast for sale I'd love the heads up. I have really changed my passion towards Fl from TL macines over time.

Post# 485943 , Reply# 62   1/2/2011 at 22:08 (4,833 days old) by spin-it ()        

What can you tell me about the Westy Tall Tumbler? Looks like a cool machine. What years were they built? Do thet have the same 3 belt drive system and components as the SF?

Post# 486886 , Reply# 63   1/7/2011 at 00:15 (4,829 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
I would like to see it...

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How could you possibly have a Westinghouse washer from 1976 without it being a pile of rust? Every time I have seen one in the garbage I notice that the cabinet is badly rusted to the point of holes - They even earned the name Rustinghouse. It just seems like a poor design with thin metal that trapped moisture that was not improved until the Frigemore came out.

It seems that the 1950s laundromats were much less prone to rust. Or is that because all we see here are restored machines?


Post# 487048 , Reply# 64   1/7/2011 at 14:44 (4,829 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

The washer of 1976 actually went under 2 feet of salt water in Katrina in 2005 too. My dad bought the 1976 washer brand new, its front bearing gone noisy about 1999, it went until the summer of 2005 before the cage broke in the bearing. I was rebuilding it before Katrina. There is some rust on the bottom frame where salt sat for a few weeks. There is a small 1/4" hole that in the back tub below the bearing housing that got filled with goop and painted with rust bullet.

The only other washer my folks had was the 1947 Westinghouse, that got scrapped in 1976. As far as rust there seems to be really no difference in the build quality.

The basket on the 1976 machine is now out to replace the worn shaft. The machine was rebuilt in 2006 and just taken apart last month.

The 1976 Westinghouse dryer went under 2 feet of salt water too, only thing I did was remove the AC motor and washing it in a bath tub and relubed the bearings. The front dryer vent's "screen" one sees when one opens the door rusted out after Katrina. A new one was a few bucks off of Ebay. All I did with the dryer is wiped the insides and outsides with windex and towels. The heater element broke a few years after katrina, a new old stock one was 20 bucks from ebay. The element broke were a replacement standoff is added in the repair kit.

As far as functional rust on the 1976 washer; the rebuild of 2006 had me doing a repair to the lower part of the "tub front" piece with some marine epoxy. This still looks good after 4 years of usage, but I scored a new tub front from a Hunstsville repair place as a spare.

The aluminum trim on the 1976 has the typical aluminum pock marks due to living right by the water, and the house being flooded.

The 4 steel adjustment feet got rusted alot after Katrina; I just got new ones. The washer was apart when the house flooded, the spin basket, two pulleys and AC motor went under water too. I had a brand new motor I used in the 2006 rebuild, the old motor still works but why chance it.

About the worst concern with my 1976 westinghouse is the back tub right below the bearings small hole. I am going to grind of the patch of 2006 and re do it and use POR15 and exoxy paint.

In my house that got 2 feet of water, the 1990? dishwasher works, its solenoid was stuck. The wtser heater in the garage had to have its jet cleaned, it did this a few days after the storm. It is from 1990 thus the salt probably has me on borrowed time.

The 6" micrometer in this video has a rust stain since it went under salt water too!


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Post# 487054 , Reply# 65   1/7/2011 at 14:58 (4,829 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Lower frame of 1976 washer repainted after going underwater

With the washer, if did repaint the the lower say 1 foot of the frame after Katrina. I sanded off some Rust spots and just used a Rustoleum paint that "sort of" matched the 1976 Harvest Gold.

In the video you can see the low part of the frame is a different color. If the unit did not go underwater I am not sure if any paint would be required.

The offical way to pull the basket is to have the unit on its back, basket facing up. One can pull in out horizontally, BUT since one has just a few concrete weights the tub is higher. One has to push down too to clear the frame, and be carefull not to ruin the seal too.

One can see some surface rust at the leading edge of the basket.


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Post# 487069 , Reply# 66   1/7/2011 at 15:53 (4,829 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
With the old worn shaft one always knows that the old washer

This crummy video done with a cellphone has the roar of the old shaft and loose roller bearing, with no back on the machine.

This was shot several years ago, post Katrina but before the lower 4 feet of sheet rock was replaced. Since the sheet rock runs horizontally; gutting the house has one busting out the lower sheetrock and removing the insulation too.


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Post# 487113 , Reply# 67   1/7/2011 at 20:13 (4,829 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
dryer painted too

With the 1976 Westy dryer I just washed our the mud, they used rags, then painted it. This was a week or two after Katrina. I probably should inspect to see if the repaint trapped in job has any in corrosion since it has been 5.4 years now

Post# 487117 , Reply# 68   1/7/2011 at 20:23 (4,829 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Another dryer shot after katrina

Here is the 1976 Westy dryer in Sept 2005 after the motor was washed in the bath tub and the bearings relubed

One can see some rust to the left of the motor. I am about the only person on my block that did not haul their washer and dryer to the curb after the got 2 feet of salt water.

Many things "one got to" right way could be fixed. The basic issue is one cannot clone oneself. Stuff one did not get to quickly got fused together or was a massive corroded mess. An old 1950's camera in sealed set of 2 zip lock bags was discovered in the mess a year later; the alumnium was just a bunch of powder in the bag


Post# 487122 , Reply# 69   1/7/2011 at 20:38 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Rust on Westy HORIZONTAL FRAME 2 inches above floor

Here is where I got the most rust after Katrina. Water collected and stayed on the horizontal L section on the lower frame. As far as percentage "gone" it is just a few percent. More of a cancer to be halted.

This area today will be redone again with POR15 instead of just rust remover and paint.


Post# 487135 , Reply# 70   1/7/2011 at 20:54 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
More Westy parts hiden in the rubble

When Katrina hit the 1976 washer was being rebuilt and was already apart. The kitchen floor had a few inches of muck. The kitchen cabinets were "saved" because I was able to use the garden hose and clean out all the crap quickly. These are real pecan. All the "particle board" stuff turned to soggy corn flakes and came apart in chunks.

The bearings new seal I had for the washer for its bearings got corroded ude to salt water; the garder spring is high carbon thus rusts like the devil.

A mess of the small westy parts were in this kithcen mess or crud, the AC motor, pulleys etc. I did not find the door spring for about a year!


Post# 487139 , Reply# 71   1/7/2011 at 21:03 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Rust Bullet was used on the door

Here is where I used Rust Bullet on the door after Katrina. It had a few rust spots and a few places I added some putty. This seems to have worked very well after 4 years later.

Notice the pock marks at the bottom of the door, there has always been some rusting there probably for decades, but one really did not see it


Post# 487142 , Reply# 72   1/7/2011 at 21:10 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Wild color painted pulleys

Here I had some left over paint colors and just painted these too to stem off rust.

The Yellow of course is the potato pulley; the Blue the spin pulley and Red the Motor pulley and sliding section pulleys.

The red guys connect to the the 1725 RPM AC motor

The blue guy directly connect to the baskets shaft

Not shown is the another pulley they idler pulley


Post# 487147 , Reply# 73   1/7/2011 at 21:20 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Idler pulley and Big Spin Solenoie

Here is the westy's idler pulley in yellow/stipes.

The big Spin solenoid is at top.

It pushes in the outer red pulley (split pulley ) which is in red. This is the Bang one hears when going into spin mode and the Blue pulley is then driven real fast


Post# 487150 , Reply# 74   1/7/2011 at 21:32 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Westy preload springs on idler with missign felts

Here is the idler pulley and its two preload springs

There are several felt pieces that are in between the two leaves to reduce sqeaks.

at the bottoms towards the right are is one damper. Per each corner there are one pair of rubber shoes that are spring loaded has to rub on the sandwitch of metal plates. These shoes need to be grease free and rough too.

To goof around with the tub height; one has to either have the washer with a light 1 lb load and running; or have the 4 pairs of shoes not touching via a separator tool. Or one can just hoss the tub around up and down and note the average of the two heights.


Post# 487156 , Reply# 75   1/7/2011 at 21:45 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
westy 6205 bearings on shaft.

Here is about how the two 6205 bearings go on the shaft #5303261165.

The brass piece that mates with the water seal is to the left of the new looking bearing.

The bearing to the right still works; but was retired. it is the original outer bearing from 1976 that never failed. The inner bearing ( next to the basket) failed about 1999 as far as noise, but ran until the summer of 2005 before the cage broke; 29 years.

This same 6205 bearing and water seal is in all WestinghouseFL washers from about 1940 to 1995.

The same bearing is use in snowmobiles

The right end of the shaft has the snap ring right by the bearing; then there is a gaint washer (real important),then the potato pulley, the the slinky clutch spring, then hub; then BLUE spin pulley. Note the shaft is keyed/rectangle this goes into the spin pulleys slot.


Post# 487158 , Reply# 76   1/7/2011 at 21:52 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
basket install

One is suppose to have the washer on its back and place the basket in vertically.

Here I just used a 1x2 and pushed the tub down and placed the basket in horizontally


Post# 487160 , Reply# 77   1/7/2011 at 21:55 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
westy e ring

westy e ring

Post# 487162 , Reply# 78   1/7/2011 at 22:00 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
westy Potato pulley no on; plus 2 out of 3 belts

The roller bearing needs a good contact type high pressure grease

Post# 487167 , Reply# 79   1/7/2011 at 22:11 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
DANGER area; worn HUB can cause failures

Here is where I once screwed up. I used a HUB piece that was the old 29 year one and the went through a few clutch springs and a potato pulley too

Post# 487173 , Reply# 80   1/7/2011 at 22:22 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
the 3 westy belts

the Spin belt was drawn in

Post# 487177 , Reply# 81   1/7/2011 at 22:45 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
tub front clamp bolt

To get the tub fronts red clamp installed was a bit if a challenge. I ended up get a longer threaded rod instead of teh stock bolt. No matter how many clamps and rigged clamps I was always about 1/4 inch short of engaging the threads. I had a brand new gasket and probably too much rtv and not enough grunt force. One the bolt is intalled one hits around the tub front with a mallet to seat the gasket and tightens then repeats

Post# 487178 , Reply# 82   1/7/2011 at 22:52 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
shot showing front and water hose new feet

unit here was leaned over, Ince it is all togeher it weights approx 260 to 270 Lbs

the yellow plates purpose is to hold the balance weights

here one spot welded pem type nut got lost or was rusted gone; notice there are 4 screws to hold the retrofit nut


Post# 487182 , Reply# 83   1/7/2011 at 22:57 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Booting up

Booting up

Post# 487183 , Reply# 84   1/7/2011 at 23:03 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
minor goofs to show us we know very little!

After I put the boot on I went to install this blue weight and had unclamp the boot and move the clamp so I could remove the boot again with this weight!

Those concrete weights need a tad of locktite too; not the killer type; just to keep the bolts from coming loose


Post# 487186 , Reply# 85   1/7/2011 at 23:14 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Kludge but it worked

This bottom weight required new screws. In replacing the nut on the yellow plate, no stock bolt would work, thus I just added a few washers. These old bolts were lost in Katrina, I am not sure if Westinghouse had a non standard bolt length on the old ones.


If too long they hit the tub front, if too short and only on thread is engaged.


Post# 487189 , Reply# 86   1/7/2011 at 23:21 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
1976 westy in 2006 with a 5 weights in place

Originally I just painted washers parts odd colors so I could find them in the cluttered rubble of the house.

They machine almost has a Mardi Gras attire or comic book coloring scheme


Post# 487190 , Reply# 87   1/7/2011 at 23:26 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
westy door now on; color match is fair but livable

before intalling the door test out the tub lamp!

Post# 487194 , Reply# 88   1/7/2011 at 23:35 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Another GOOF, Delector RING (clothes guard)

This ring was way too hard to install because when I epoxy painted the tub front, I had too much thickness where ring goes.

It was a bear to install.

There is a trick to install these, like a figure 8 and hand reversal gambit too.

This guard helps prevent stuff getting behind the basket


Post# 487196 , Reply# 89   1/7/2011 at 23:43 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
1976 westy in operation washing

Unlike my new FL washer of 2010; the 1976 washer actually has the clothes washing IN water, not sprayed/tinkled on.

This LT570 machine in a 1978 CR test had the lowest water usage of any washer, 30 gallons max


Post# 487199 , Reply# 90   1/7/2011 at 23:53 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
2nd wash

With the flash off the color miss match is less, there are some hokey CFL bulbs on only.

This is a 2nd load with a bit a lot of soap, trying to check boot and for any leaks.


The bezel on this Westy is the parts the that has the most visible corrosion; the poor aluminum gets polished; the salt and Katrina flood did not help either. This machine was my only washer for the last 4 years after its rebuild


Post# 487202 , Reply# 91   1/8/2011 at 00:06 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Big washer

This is the washer I left off at first, it caused the slinky spring to get goofed up. It took a mess of time to find this missing washer, then once it was on the machine had no issues with the springs

Post# 487263 , Reply# 92   1/8/2011 at 10:17 (4,828 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Thanks for the teck talk!

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3belt, I learned a lot , my 1957 sounds like it has bad bearings but when I heard your machine I am now thinking its the shaft and not the bearing, it sounds the same!
I will check and see if that shaft fits my 1957 3 belt for a refit! My bearings may be good after all since the original owner replaced them three times in its working life.


Love the Mardi Gras colors I have a 1918 Easy painted the same way!


Post# 487298 , Reply# 93   1/8/2011 at 13:32 (4,828 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Bearinsg and shaft

Jetcone; thanks for the comments.

With the worn shaft the machine would just be noisy in the spin mode. That video with the spin noise was shot was with brand new 6205 bearings.

Back in early 2005 the machine had a worn out bearing towards the front, with its balls corroded, pitted but it still worked. With the potato pulley off one could turn the basket by hand and feel the clunks and bearing noise. It too roared when in spin mode, but sounded different. I wish I had shot a video back then to record the noise.

I am not sure if the 25mm shaft is case/flame/surface hardened or not, or just a dumb steel shaft. When I place a new shaft in the several potato pulleys here; the fit is tight. It is like the shaft wore down the most, and the rollers little.

The shaft on my 1976 is a 5303261165. It has a left hand tread that screws into the steel basket. There is a O-ring 5308015092 too that is between the basket and shaft, I think this o-ring keeps water out of the threads.

in reply 28 the table shows the clutch spring going back before 1959.

the shaft one mine may not go back that far


Post# 487301 , Reply# 94   1/8/2011 at 13:49 (4,828 days old) by syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, MD)        
shafts that fit...

are all the interchangeable ( the same )- from 1953 to whenever they stopped making them!


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