Thread Number: 32029
198? Miele W5510 415volt commercial front loader on ebay |
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Post# 483180 , Reply# 1   12/21/2010 at 12:47 (4,846 days old) by 3beltwesty ()   |   | |
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please post a link |
Post# 483182 , Reply# 2   12/21/2010 at 12:55 (4,846 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)   |   | |
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Here you go CLICK HERE TO GO TO brisnat81's LINK on eBay |
Post# 483244 , Reply# 3   12/21/2010 at 19:50 (4,845 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 483254 , Reply# 5   12/21/2010 at 20:24 (4,845 days old) by favorit ()   |   | |
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that still has the Cordes design like the WS 5510 you posted |
Post# 483257 , Reply# 6   12/21/2010 at 20:27 (4,845 days old) by favorit ()   |   | |
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Post# 483261 , Reply# 7   12/21/2010 at 20:38 (4,845 days old) by favorit ()   |   | |
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any clue ?? [farmers please shut up ! ;-)) ] |
Post# 483329 , Reply# 9   12/22/2010 at 03:15 (4,845 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 483670 , Reply# 18   12/23/2010 at 01:24 (4,844 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Some modern high end front loaders (Miele?) have built in phase converters.
Three phase motors are far more durable and powerful than single, so it would be in an effort to get around washers being marketed in areas where anything besides single phase is not common. FWIU three phase motors are much more durable and powerful than single phase. This is one of the reasons commercial/laundromats seldom (aside from some special product lines) have the later. It is also the reason why say a Wascomat 50lb washer can spin a full capacity wet load as if it were a sack of feathers. More over it can do so over and over again, day in and day out. |
Post# 483673 , Reply# 19   12/23/2010 at 01:48 (4,844 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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United States started early with wiring towns, cities and other areas with electric power. At first the skirmish had to be settled between DC and AC, once that dust up was taken care of and wiring stretched across the landscape, there was a problem.. aside from lighting what sort of demand was there for the juice?
So GE, and countless other appliance makers began to turn out various appliances, gadgets, and much else that we take for granted today (such as the elevator, subways, street cars, etc) to run on electric power. Aside from some commercial applications, most American homes did not require large amounts of power (the average home perhaps had a few lights, maybe an electric fridge (though plenty still had ice boxes), a toaster, and perhaps a clothes iron), not much demand there. Nor was there any need, outside of commercial spheres for powerful motors that required three phase. Heating of homes and or water is mostly done in the United States via petrol (natural gas, propane, or oil, but at times in history coal and wood as well), so again large amounts of power aren't needed. All this meant that once the AC DC mess was settled, the question could have been 120v vs 220v, with the later being more efficient for delivering large loads, but again such loads weren't often required, so the former won. In Europe WWII presented many countries with the chance to redesign their electrical generating and delivery systems as they were rebuilding from all the damage. The decision was made in most countries to go with 220v for various reasons. Unlike the United States, there is a need for many European/UK homes to have large power draws. Heating (both of water and home), washing machines and later dishwashers that heat cold water, and all manner of appliances which require large amounts of juice. My Pfaff ironer for instance pulls 3.05kW of power on 220v/50hz. In the United States normally one is only going to find an outlet supplying this as a "dryer" or "range" wiring, but IIRC most European/UK homes have this sort of thing all over the house. Have seen older ironers from Miele in German domestic use that run on 400w of power. Something you would never find in the United States. Indeed one of the problems Miele USA had in sales was that so few American homes had 220v power. Many of those that did it was often used for the range or dryer, and if those outlets were being used or had to get to, it required rewiring (added cost). Then there were those who wanted a Miele washer, dishwasher, dryer, etc but didn't have 220v power anywhere in their homes, thus would have to pay to have it brought from the street. In the case of areas with large numbers of mullt-family dwellings, approval from the landlord, co-op or condo board for this work for that sort of work was not always given. In the end Miele finally gave up and now only sells 120v washers here, however dryers and some other kitchen appliances still require 220v. Converting the United States to 220v power is not going to happen anytime soon. It could cost *billions* to upgrade,rewire and do all the necessary work to the electrical grid. Not to mention many homes/buildings aren't wired to take advantage, nor would many owners be willing to pay for it either. Here in NYC there are lots of persons living in apartments with barely 60amp service. I mean literally one or two outlets in the main room. Lots of extension cords, power strips, adapters, and "multiple outlet" adapters are used as persons try to cope. With all the new technology from computers, printers, chargers, cordless phones, microwaves, televisions, DVRs, and so and and so forth, the area around many outlets is a tangle of wires. |
Post# 484075 , Reply# 23   12/24/2010 at 12:44 (4,843 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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One's own home.
There is not a small number of persons living in the United States whom live in apartment,multi-family dwellings and or otherwise do not own their own property outright.Even when one does own the property (or shares in the case of a co-op), many condo boards and so forth have something to say about extensive electrical work. Then there is the cost. Maybe elsewhere electricans are cheap, and while one agrees the job of running a "simple" 220v line and or installing outlets is not heavy work for a good electrical professional, that does not mean the cost is not dear. Here in NYC you can easily look at bills anywhere from 1K north to even 3K or more, depending on how much work has to be done. If there even isn't 220v service in the building (common enough here), much less the apartment, you are talking about calling out the power company to run upgraded lines from the street to the buildng, and all the other work to bring the juice into the building, then run it up to the apartment. Obviously not enough persons had 220v service, and or were willing to install it to purchase Miele washers in great numbers. That company simply gave up and after decades of towing the line *we don't/won't produce 110v washing machines* , now they are the only machines imported to the USA from that vendor. |
Post# 484156 , Reply# 25   12/25/2010 at 00:30 (4,842 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA)   |   | |
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A lot of houses built in the Southeast U.S. between about 1950 and 1980 have 230V, 15 or 20A outlets in places in the house where window air conditioners would have been used. |
Post# 484173 , Reply# 26   12/25/2010 at 02:42 (4,842 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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QUOTE: Converting the United States to 220v power is not going to happen anytime soon. It could cost *billions* to upgrade,rewire and do all the necessary work to the electrical grid. Not to mention many homes/buildings aren't wired to take advantage, nor would many owners be willing to pay for it either.
I took this to mean ridding us of 110v and having 220v hot to neutral. QUOTE: Here in NYC there are lots of persons living in apartments with barely 60amp service. I mean literally one or two outlets in the main room. The buidlng in which I reside was constructed in 1946. There is 110v 30a service to each aparment. Every 8 apartmens (as the main service) are served with 100a 110/220v service. BTW 200a 110/220v residential serivce means that one can pull 200a per hot leg or 400a in total. AFAIK NYC ORDINANCES (LAWS ON A LOCAL/CITY LEVEL) ONLY REQUIRE 40a 110/220V service in an aparment (where, heat, cooking and hot water for the taps are not electric). That is 80 amps total with 40 per to leag. Laws were changed decades ago to require an oultet(powerpoint) every six liner feet. The intention was to have one outlet per wall (side of a room) in a "standard" 12 x 12 foot(bed)room. The law was futher modified such that isolated walls -- areas broken up by doors or doorways of a certain sixe (20 feet or more?) msut also now have an outlet to avoid stringing extension cords across doorway thresholds. When gauging main electrical service to residences, let us also not forget that an electrical load of the same wattage will require double the amperage on a 110v system as they do on a 220v system. This post was last edited 12/25/2010 at 02:57 |
Post# 484174 , Reply# 27   12/25/2010 at 03:03 (4,842 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Why is 277v/480v used in commercial / industrial settings?
Is the intent to keep voltages as close to but under 500v? One would think the logical choice to accompamy a 3-phase 110/208v system to be 220v/416v, no? Voltages can be easily transformed, it is too bad there are 50Hz and 60Hz standards, THAT is killer. |