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80s Hotpoint Rim-flo washer - repair help please
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Post# 488154   1/11/2011 at 09:57 (4,852 days old) by terryar ()        

Hi, I purchased this washer new, over 20 years ago and last week, it gave me the first problems ever! Hubby took a look and said the leak was caused by a bad water pump, so ordered one online. Since it's never had any service or maintenance, I figured now would be a good time to try to get rid of some of the squeaks and noises it has when washing and spinning. It could use a good cleaning and probably oiling or something.

This is the exact machine that was posted by macboy91si on one of his threads. I tried to post on that thread, but guess it is closed now. If anyone can give maintenance and cleaning advise, I'd love it. Macboy got his gleaming and I'd like this one to look good too (and sound better if possible)!

Thanks for any help you can offer. Oh, and if Macboy is still around here, I have the owners manual for this machine if you would like a copy.

Terry





Post# 488159 , Reply# 1   1/11/2011 at 10:36 (4,852 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Terry

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I sent ya an e-mail

-Tim


Post# 488165 , Reply# 2   1/11/2011 at 11:04 (4,852 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Replacing the pump is easy. The hardest part it the getting to one of the 3 screws that secure it to the outer tub (the one behind the pump is tough). Other than that, just check the motor-to-pump coupler for excessive tearing.

Post# 488180 , Reply# 3   1/11/2011 at 11:58 (4,852 days old) by terryar ()        

Hi, thanks for responding! Tim, I didn't get an email from you yet. I've passed on the info. from Peter.
I'll keep looking for the email.
thanks,
Terry


Post# 488217 , Reply# 4   1/11/2011 at 14:12 (4,852 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Clutch.

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These washers have a one-speed motor to run the pump at full speed at all times. If your washer is a 2-speed, the agitation and spin speed change is achieved by a 2-speed clutch mounted on top of the motor, below the pump. NEVER change the speed while the washer is running!

Sometimes, the clutch gets noisy as it wears. This is more common if the pump has leaked for awhile, allowing the water to run down onto the clutch. (This happened on my GE Filter Flo, which has the same guts.) When mine leaked, the water displaced the oil from the clutch bearings. If it's not too worn, you may want to use some Zoom Spout Turbine Oil to oil the clutch bearings when you work on your washer. If you end up replacing the clutch, there's a relay you must replace or else the motor will soon burn out (I learned the hard way). On mine, the relay is located on the back of the washer right below the control panel.

I didn't know how bad mine was. With the bad bearings, mine started to sound like a rock tumbler and the bad bearings wore a deep groove in the clutch shaft. Since I made the repair, my washer is pleasantly quiet, with only a slight sloshing of water running through the recirculation flume and a dull hum of the motor.

The washer's a good one and not too difficult to work on.
Dave


Post# 488226 , Reply# 5   1/11/2011 at 15:02 (4,852 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Oil and the clutch

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I have to say that I wouldn't recommend putting oil anywhere near the clutch unless you know what you are oiling. Any oil that gets on the lining of the clutch will ruin it and it's possible that your washer will no longer agitate or spin afterwards.

This would be a better suggestion for some with more experience, but I gather that this would be a novice repair, and I dread working on the clutch even with my knowledge of them.

Not saying that it's not possible that the machine needs this as well, but I say start with your pump and go from there and see what it does. We know the pump leaks, so a bad bearing/seal on that is possible to be the noise culprit.


-Tim


Post# 488240 , Reply# 6   1/11/2011 at 16:01 (4,852 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Good point.

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Only work with the clutch if you're pretty brave (and patient and methodical). Oil on the clutch lining and drum is indeed bad. The clutch is completely rebuildable and the bearings are replaceable. It's honestly easier to get an inexpensive new clutch on ebay, or from a parts supplier, and install it. (That darned roll pin which has to be removed to replace the clutch is admittedly a pain though.)

I've replaced my clutch and took apart the old one (and successfully put it back together). I even kept the old one to rebuild as my time allows. It's not that complicated, but after having had it apart and back together a few times, I still don't fully understand how the darned thing works.

If you've never worked on machinery before, it's probably best to leave the clutch for another time. Thanks for pointing out how sensitive the clutch is to oil Tim.

Dave


Post# 488248 , Reply# 7   1/11/2011 at 16:30 (4,852 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Tim and Dave are correct.....

a replacement clutch would be a better choice, should that be the problem......but you still have to tackle connecting it to the motor, and sliding the top of the clutch in place and put in THAT pesky pin......been there, done that all too often....the last one I tackled, I got lucky, local used parts house sold me the motor(with relay), rebuilt clutch, and a new pump, ready to install......and super quiet and quick to jump into high speed.......for 25.00.....well worth it.....may be an option if available


Post# 488264 , Reply# 8   1/11/2011 at 17:39 (4,852 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Getting away from the clutch crowd, make sure it's the pump that's leaking, and not the outer tub being rusted through. I've had several of that vintage machine come through the shop lately, with outer tubs rusted out.

Post# 488280 , Reply# 9   1/11/2011 at 18:19 (4,852 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GE CLUTCHES & MOTORS

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Yes differently don't go squirting oil on or in the clutch. Also the motor start relay only needs to be replaced if the motor failed because of a winding short, the relay has nothing to do with the clutch. Old relays can get sticky inside and cause a motor failure and you can squirt some contact cleaner lubricant in them if you want.

Post# 488350 , Reply# 10   1/11/2011 at 23:58 (4,852 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
clutch shaft runout

kind of a complicated operation and not really necessary,
but if you want a really smooth running GE/HP,the runout of the
clutch shaft can be corrected-due to the way the clutch shaft
is clamped to the motor shaft with a u-bolt and the slip fit
onto the motor shaft,there is usually visable runout of this
shaft and clutch-often over .040"of runout,resulting in
vibration.(will give details on the fix if anyone wants)
did this on mine and eliminated the background vibration that
was present before.
Also if you have a 2 speed clutch check that the belt isn't
too loose-these have aluminum pulley groove and wear real fast
if the belt slips.


Post# 488907 , Reply# 11   1/14/2011 at 13:02 (4,849 days old) by terryar ()        

Thanks for all the responses! My husband got the new pump in today, put it on (with the helpful information here) and no more water leak. He said there was a seep hole in the seal.

The vibration is MUCH less and the noise level has gone down considerably. There is still a squeek, but I found that it is coming from where the cycle bar is attached to the top/back of the machine. If I push back on that section, the squeek stops. Is there a gasket or something that goes between those two sections where the metal doesn't rub on each other? Maybe that can be taken off and it needs a good cleaning? I'll look forward to hearing your suggestions on that. Hubby says it is quiet enough, but I say why not stop the squeak if we can?! Hey, maybe even with your instructions, I could do this part on my own and surprise him when he gets home from work!



Post# 488909 , Reply# 12   1/14/2011 at 13:14 (4,849 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Lube

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There are areas of the top panel and cabinet that can touch and rub (squeak). I pop the top open (2 clips in front with a putty knife) and take some Vaseline to the top of the cabinet. You should be able to see where the metal has rubbed a bit.

This is just what I did as my GE/Hotpoints did the same thing.

-Tim



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