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Post# 493305   2/2/2011 at 09:33 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        

A rare snow day and home from work today. Thought I'd dig out a few rare pics.
For 1955:





Post# 493306 , Reply# 1   2/2/2011 at 09:36 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
details

notice that the outer door panel is porcelain

Post# 493307 , Reply# 2   2/2/2011 at 09:38 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
rarer still

I actually saw one of these in 1973 when I replaced it with a KitchenAid Dishwasher sink.

Post# 493309 , Reply# 3   2/2/2011 at 09:40 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
info

Dishwasher sinks were all the rage in upstate NY

Post# 493310 , Reply# 4   2/2/2011 at 09:42 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
for 1956

gotta love GM's annual style changes

Post# 493311 , Reply# 5   2/2/2011 at 09:43 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Isn't this the same as Robert's?

info

Post# 493313 , Reply# 6   2/2/2011 at 09:45 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
also for 1956

I discovered Frigidaire made a dishwasher-sink combo until the "B" series 1960 - 62

Post# 493315 , Reply# 7   2/2/2011 at 09:46 (4,803 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Thank you Steve!

Archives is the correct term. This man has dishwasher info going back to when dishwashing became mechanized. Good to see you posting Steve.

Post# 493316 , Reply# 8   2/2/2011 at 09:47 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
more details

get a Lift to Living!

Post# 493317 , Reply# 9   2/2/2011 at 09:58 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
like this, Tom?

ancient history

Post# 493318 , Reply# 10   2/2/2011 at 10:00 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
info

I'm thinking 1938ish?

Post# 493320 , Reply# 11   2/2/2011 at 10:11 (4,803 days old) by cyclemonitor ()        
rare

I love these!!!!

Some of the interior's  seem to be  a different color..did they  match/ coordinate the racks...or is it just the picture?


Post# 493322 , Reply# 12   2/2/2011 at 10:15 (4,803 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Automatic "Speedy".

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I never heard of this Brand.

I love the Obsevation Window.

Thanks so much for the Scans. Eddie


Post# 493325 , Reply# 13   2/2/2011 at 10:26 (4,803 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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thank you very much for these scans

Post# 493340 , Reply# 14   2/2/2011 at 11:05 (4,803 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Appeal to the "Carriage Trade"

"Servants are Happier...Additional help isn't required for large dinner parties." They would never want to imply that the homemaker interested in one of these actually has to do the dishes herself. I wonder if that erect pole emerging from the machine was deemed too indelicate to demonstrate for the lady of the house?

There is no dishwasher in the kitchen at Hillwood, Marjorie M. Post's estate in Washington, D.C., because of the Czarist china she collected and used. There are huge, multiple sinks, though. While her husband was ambassador to the USSR, the communists were trying to raise money and would sell almost anything for the right amount of money and Marjorie had money's mammy by the tits.


Post# 493342 , Reply# 15   2/2/2011 at 11:26 (4,803 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Washed, rinsed and dried in five or six minutes?  Did anything actually come out clean?

 

I wonder if the still common practice of thorough pre-rinsing by hand stems from the legacy of machines like the LOEB, presuming the servants had nothing better to do.


Post# 493347 , Reply# 16   2/2/2011 at 11:58 (4,803 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Archives!

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This loeb design looks very interesting.
As for the frigidaire I always felt this spray tube would have performed top notch if they had a full arm in addition at the bottom of the machine!
Thanks for the scans!
Peter


Post# 493348 , Reply# 17   2/2/2011 at 12:03 (4,803 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Beautiful literature! Please keep 'em coming.

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Bravo!

 

Was the photo retouch-er paid by the hour or did the vinyl on those beautiful, and I mean beautiful, early Frigidishwashers change from "Sherwood Green" to pink overnight? I love how these early machines stand on their own. Am getting very tired of today's built-in look that makes every kitchen look like a galley on a submarine.

 

For how long did GM feature Robin and his Merry Men colors?

 

And yes, it is so important to me to keep my servants happy. I've been watching episodes of "Downton Abbey" and dreaming about having valets, personal maids, cooks, housekeepers and chauffeurs. Ah, the vintage appliances of the landed class.


Post# 493355 , Reply# 18   2/2/2011 at 12:28 (4,803 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Ms. Gotrocks won't be having that figure for long with all those goodies sitting around. Pretty soon chairs will run away when she approaches.

I would not want anyone like servants interfering with me operating my own appliances. Actually, I don't want anyone except me in my house. When I moved into my house in 1992, the three little (then) boys across the street used to play with the 5 year old who had lived there with his parents. They were part of a family of 6 in a house and used to ask me which room was mine. I said all of them were mine. The questions stopped, and everything else for that matter, when I said that if I wanted, I could run naked and screaming through the house and not bother anyone.


Post# 493433 , Reply# 19   2/2/2011 at 16:06 (4,803 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Tom, I am so with you about any sort of household help invading my privacy by default.

 

A two-week stay at a delightful villa south of Puerto Vallarta was marred by staff presence from early morning until after dinner.  No chance for a clothing optional scene by the pool or anywhere else for that matter.  That put a real damper on things for a group of nine gay men.


Post# 493491 , Reply# 20   2/2/2011 at 18:51 (4,803 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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UGH, that 1955 Frigidaire dishwasher brochure is beyond delicious!  Mine is a 1956 model where they already changed the look of the control panel.  The machine is exactly the same just the panel is different.

 

Fabulous Steve, thank you!  Love the Loeb dishwasher as well, I've never even heard of that brand.


Post# 493506 , Reply# 21   2/2/2011 at 19:41 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
dishwasher-sink in my collection

this was one of my first eBay purchases, reminded me of the 1955 Frigidaire

Post# 493514 , Reply# 22   2/2/2011 at 20:00 (4,803 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
From Jan 1955 "House and Home" a little history

Frigidaire introduced their first dishwasher in January 1955. Apparently as a gift for my first birthday :-)

Post# 493549 , Reply# 23   2/2/2011 at 20:59 (4,803 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Parts is parts!

Okay, now that we are all wishing that there were more of these dishwashers around for us to play with and enjoy, are there any parts or service manuals around for them?
I cannot get over how much the early dishwashers resembled each other. The Kitchenaids and Hotpoints look like they were born of the same aprents and now these Frigidaires..even down to the timer knob as well as the push to start button.
Was it linked to the timer mechanically like the Kitchenaids or did it just advance the timer to start? And what about the Hotpoints with the lever up top?

I would love to see how these were put together to do their respective jobs.


Post# 493555 , Reply# 24   2/2/2011 at 21:14 (4,803 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Wow, Steve, thank you so much for sharing these!! You have inspired me to get that DWUW (the 1958 I got last year) back into service...
I didn't know you had a dishwasher-sink! You devil...


Post# 493661 , Reply# 25   2/3/2011 at 10:44 (4,802 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        

Thanks Steve for these fun ads. Tell me, does the Loeb use a vertical spray tower like the Youngstown Kitchens Jetower or is that tube something else? The dishes seem to be arranged impeller style. And was that a fully automatic machine?

Post# 493665 , Reply# 26   2/3/2011 at 10:59 (4,802 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Loeb workings

I'm not sure as this is the only piece of literature I've ever seen. I would bet it's an impeller wash. Although I can't quite tell, plus figure how that lift tower worked.....
hmmmmm.....


Post# 493752 , Reply# 27   2/3/2011 at 19:29 (4,802 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
maybe the Loeb was the daddy

of the Kaiser? And it worked on water pressure? Don't know.... It had the pop-up dish rack too.

Post# 493753 , Reply# 28   2/3/2011 at 19:31 (4,802 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
and the Kaiser

could have been the daddy of the Coronet. I saw one of these once on "House Hunters" in CA.

Post# 493755 , Reply# 29   2/3/2011 at 19:35 (4,802 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Coronet

ran on water pressure too!

Post# 493756 , Reply# 30   2/3/2011 at 19:37 (4,802 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Coronet 3

Who knew?

Post# 493777 , Reply# 31   2/3/2011 at 20:11 (4,802 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Kaiser and Coronet Dishwashers---NO ELECTRICITY

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Fascinating--I'm studying the pics----Kaiser has 3 knobs/levers, LIFT, DRAIN, WASH. So the lifting is some mechanical/spring system. Drain would seem obvious, but you'd sort of think it would be open at all times. Wash is likely the main water valve? 40 or more pounds of pressure would surely spin a small rack of dishes with 4 or more jet sprays going. Maybe the detergent cup is some bimetal coil system, like on a many carbeurators in the 50's 60's, would open once the inside temp was 140 all around? And there's no timer, maybe you watched until suds were all done? Of course, how did the soap get into the jets of water, or was there a sump at the base and water jetting through it , sort of a soap distribution system?

Ya know, I bet for dishes fresh off the table, it actually would do an acceptable job, except for cheese and eggs. Pots and pans probably didn't do well, though.
I would love to see such a thing, talk about unique and a conversation piece!

Some of you engineers and experienced folks------throw more guesswork our way as to how this may work. I've never seen or heard of such a dishwasher ever. And the soap has me baffled---how to dispense, how to circulate?
Thanks
Mark



Post# 493789 , Reply# 32   2/3/2011 at 20:44 (4,802 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Fabulous scans, Steve - thanks for doing these dishwasher brochures.  I've never seen that toy sink-dishwasher before!

 


Post# 493794 , Reply# 33   2/3/2011 at 20:50 (4,802 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
water pressure dishwashers!

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My friend Louis has the keiser and it is a real cool dw!
As for the Coronet I saw it in a magazine in the 60's and always wondered about it. The pictuse was like the one above with positioned in the corner with the window. I always wondered about it now I feel like I found a old friend.
Peter


Post# 493804 , Reply# 34   2/3/2011 at 21:12 (4,802 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Popular Mechanics

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This was advertisied in 1973 Popular Mechanics


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Post# 493879 , Reply# 35   2/4/2011 at 07:34 (4,801 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Obviously, the Coronet did not have as many aluminum parts as the Kaiser because you could only use Chat (which was formulated not to attack aluminum) in the Kaiser. Use something else and see how your whole dishwasher can begin to look like an aluminum pan you wash in the dishwasher. You would not want the basket to "spin" (as they state in the ad) too fast because that would reduce the impact of the force of the water on the dishes. Back in the 70s, catalogs and stores like "K Marks" sold awkwardly large plastic versions of this type of dishwasher. You sometimes see them in thrift stores and have to think how dreams of having a real dishwasher for $30 or $40 crashed and burned when poor people tried to use them for the first time. They sat on the counter by the sink when in use. They were fed from the faucet, had a plastic wash arm a little larger in diameter than a drinking straw under and beside a stationary rack and used liquid hand dishwashing detergent. It was possible to use 20 or more gallons of hot water trying to get things clean if you put them in dirty and, if you had low water pressure, they were not even much good for rinsing. Every ingredient in a recipe for disaster was present. I doubt that most users thought to dissolve machine dishwashing detergent in some hot water and use it instead of liquid hand dishwashing detergent to marginally improve performance. At least with the counter top machines, you could keep adding detergent because it was added outside the wash chamber while with the two builtin machines, the length of the wash was determined by the fixed amount of detergent added to the dispenser. When it ran out, you were rinsing unless you shut off the water and opened it to add more detergent.

None of these actually recirculated water. The detergent dispensing system was a sucking of the detergent using the venturi effect into the water stream before it was fed into the wash jets. Given the limitations of these machines, I don't think you would want to waste time or water by having warm water flow through the unit to clear the lines. You would no doubt have hot water present from the hand prewashing required before loading soiled items. With no mechanical pump, you would not want to put much in the way of solid food particles in it for fear of clogging the drain strainer.

If any of you have had experience with a "Roto-Rack" equipped dishwasher, you know that you can get some pretty weird noises out of the machine if the rack is not balanced weight-wise. I wonder if these two machines with spinning racks could be made to make funny noises with a unbalanced load or if the diameter was too small.


Post# 495015 , Reply# 36   2/8/2011 at 19:17 (4,797 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
the Spin Tube finale

1964 was the last year for the spin tube.

Post# 495016 , Reply# 37   2/8/2011 at 19:19 (4,797 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
more

I remember seeing this model in a storefront window while on vacation in the Adirondacks when I was younger

Post# 495017 , Reply# 38   2/8/2011 at 19:20 (4,797 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Bewitched

And if it was good enough for Samantha Stevens, it was good enough for me! (Although she had a built-in model).

Post# 495072 , Reply# 39   2/8/2011 at 21:13 (4,797 days old) by magic clean ()        
Love the 1964

spin tube finale........story about the easy loading from the front. "Makes loading easy even when you're wearing your best party dress".

I always take my long sleeved shirt off to do dishes and clean the kitchen. Maybe I should wear a dress.


Post# 495073 , Reply# 40   2/8/2011 at 21:16 (4,797 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Oh, and

the suggested retail price (in Sioux City, IA) was $319.95. Isn't that like a zillion dollars in 2011 money? $2275.00 to be exact!

Post# 495119 , Reply# 41   2/9/2011 at 05:39 (4,796 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The design fallacy of the spin tube was that glasses did not need as much water force as items with heavier soil did, yet they were placed right over the water supply.

Note that in the puce background spec sheet, they show a Corning Ware pan with very dark soil being scraped under running water, yet there is no follow up picture of it in the dishwasher showing where it was placed or how clean it emerged.


Post# 495120 , Reply# 42   2/9/2011 at 05:49 (4,796 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Corning Ware pan with very dark soil being scraped under run

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Well of course not.  that's because it ended up being completely washed by hand because there was no place in that load depicted in the pictue for it to be placed nor would it have proably come clean in the first place.  To accommodate that piece in the top rack, numerous glass and cups would have been  put back in the sink.  And attempts to place it in the bottom rack on its side along the right side of the rack, facing the center, would have resulted in too many plates being left out too!!!  "Prepare your dishes as if for hand washing".  Looks like that Corningware piece was being washed by hand completely anyway!!  Probably with lots of dish soap in that rag or sponge being used. 


Post# 495156 , Reply# 43   2/9/2011 at 08:07 (4,796 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
GM - Mark of Excellence

I know these weren't stellar performers but you have to admit, they sure looked nice! And if you were wearing your best party dress and wanted to show off your new Dishmobile, might as well have something with lots of chrome........
Now it's difficult to even locate the dishwasher in a modern kitchen.


Post# 496409 , Reply# 44   2/14/2011 at 11:55 (4,791 days old) by keiththomas ()        

Hi does anyone have the picture of the first ever front loading dishwasher which I thnink would be American and was it in the late 1930's it hit the US market

Post# 496453 , Reply# 45   2/14/2011 at 17:22 (4,791 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
Less about performance than capacity

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Thank you for all the wonderful scans, Steve--great to see you posting!  I LOVE that Sherwood Green set--what a handsome machine!

 

Bob and I used to joke that a KDS-15 and a DW-IMH made for a harmonious household; the KitchenAid was the "bottom" dishwasher for pots and pans, and the Frigidaire handled all the cups, dishes, and otherwise flat items.

 

You may remember when the DW-IMH came home--the first load was a bust, and I was perturbed as much by the performance as by the inability to load a plate larger than 9" in diameter.  (The top rack hit them.)

 

But with downsized dishware, good detergent, the true detergent dispenser and double-wash (rather than the door-divet and single-wash), and VERY HOT water in copious supply, the spray-tube did a good job.  I even learned how to be adventuresome and get fry-pans and serving ware clean in the lower rack.  The hydraulic physics of the spray-tubes seems counterintuitive--but water went everywhere, and most everything got clean, believe it or not.

 

That said, I wish they would have kept the top rack of the fifties machines and not opted to put a ridge of fixed tines up the middle in the '64; this made loading deeper pots and such nearly impossible (nor mixing bowls).  In the older machines, the top rack was a nearly flat hump, minus the tines, and the loading for odds-and-ends was more flexible.

 

The situation for tumblers was grim.  If you use a lot of tumblers and not teacups, you pretty much lost your top rack to them; even though you had a full top rack, tumblers ran up the sides and formed an array that reached the sides of the rack, making fitting much else (beyond Glad-ware that could nestle between the bottom of the glass and the side of the rack) impossible.

 

These were definitely dish---not ware-- washers.  Water sent to the silverware basket (though generously sized) was not entirely adequate.  But on mine, the self-cleaning pop-up filter worked well and shed most of the food down the drain; I never did anything special to prep the dishes, and everything came out sparkling.  Of course, I didn't put baked-on stuff in, but that was a ludicrous proposal for most dishwashers of the time, anyway.  (At least soak the thing first.)

 

The machine was very quiet, and reminded me of a soft rainstorm when it ran.  The massive reversing impeller shoved a huge amount of water up to that tube (evidenced by the monstrous feed hose, similar to a radiator hose from a '54 Pontiac), and mine had big slots cut out of it that must have sent ribbons o'fury spiraling around the machine.  The drain phase of the cycle could fill your sink with water, and I'm convinced that fire departments borrowed spray-tubes to fight high-rise fires from the ground.  


Post# 496483 , Reply# 46   2/14/2011 at 21:01 (4,791 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
What I wouldn't Give!!

For Sherwood green appliances and a pink kitchen...PARADISE!!!


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