OK, I'm gonna chime in here cuz I'm tired of keepin my damn mouth shut.  Peter, I like my Kenpool Tall Tub, but I wil tell you, even with the top rack raised in the high position, I have some cookie shets that I still cannot easily place in the machine without corntortions of tilting because of thee damn spray arm under the top rack.  I get really pissed cuz I end up wasting some space.  With my GE as shown above, I didn't have any problem getting them in as well as all my other baking stuff.  Of all the machines, GE is definitely the easiest without having to go through dish contortions.  Peter, how you describe lloading a D&M is still a PITA with wine glass contortions and tilting.  MOST average users are not gouing to go to that degree of effort and will wash the wine glasses by hand, especially if it eats up space.  I have friends with a tiltable upper rack in a WP Powerclean.  They have like 11.5" dinner plates that are quite hefty.  They still end up being tilted so the damn spray arm can rotate for the upper rack.  Not everyone can afford or wish to opt for a Superba or a WP with adjustable top racks.  And that's the only way you can have some flexibility with either or those machines.  Now, here are som fallacies that I see in the GE above.  Witht he waay the two pieces of the broiler pan are loadeed, I question as to whether they would get adequately clean and full adequte water on all surfaces with the pieces so close together.  As far as the top rack, it's not wrapped in total reality.  Note the wide plats and such loaded in the center of the top rack.  They really eat into the row space on either side of those sets of tines.  The glasses on the right side of those plates ae pretty small and not very wide.  If the glasses were any wider, you couldn't load stuff like that down the center row and still expect to have 4 rows of glasses or cups/mugs.  And the same way with the wine glasses.  You'd have to have dinner guests who didn't drink a lot of liquids during their meal  or constantly be filling water & wine glasses due to small capacity of liquids.  That's not erality in my world.  For this reason, I never put stuff like that down the center row in the top rack, just ate up too much rack real estate space.  This ad was undoubtedly put together for GE's benefit.  But I think with some addded thought and such, all the other brands could have accommodated just about everything.  and Todd, you are most gracious.  I probably could have gotten all this stuff in, except for the reverse rack Maytag.  I don't think I could have done it all either.  And as far as my friends with the PowerClean, it may be a great dishwasher, but to me it's got the worst of all combinations.  The upper spray arm and adjustable rack with still imited clearance under the top rack as well as the damn nozzle thingy ihn the middle of the bottom rack to feed the upper spray arm.  Talk about major frustration at times.  I've been known to curse a blue streek at it.  and the last time I looked at the Sears web site last September, the version of the last of the PowerCleans (Kenmore) did NOT have an adjustable upper rack any longer.  Scks big time.  I remember combo52 making a comment everyone should go out a buy one of these and keep it in storage and have it available when these are no longer made.  When I discovered no adjustable upper rack for this model any longer, killed my thought about it. 

Tom, combining a couple of threads here--the Hotpoint in the other thread did have poor clearance for even normal glasses.  I had a late 60s version in my first apartment in college in fall of 1974.  My best friend from high school's mom gave me a set of glasses when I moved into the apartment so they were very special to me.  After a dinner party someone decided they were going to help me clean up, which I really didn't need.  Unfortunately, they didn't load some glasses correctly and two got broken when they attempted to put the top rack in.  So it hurt because of the sentimental value.  If they'd not been broken, I'd still have a complete set of those glasses today--they are the onnly ones missing from the set.  And I think about that every time I see4 a Hotpoint of that era.  I honestly believe some people are bestowed with an uncanny ability to load dishwashers and get the most space out of them.  And I believe you, Peter, Joh, Jeff, and myself are part of that set of individuals.  I've known people who have lived with a dishwasher for years and they just simply never get the hang of it.  Sometimes I'll tactfully ack if I can help when they are "finished" loading.  They can be relly amazed once I'm through rearranging and add more.  Even afterr I've accumulated pretty much a load and I have more stuff from say cooking a simply evening meal, it's pretty unusual for most everything to stay where they were put when initially loaded over the past few days. 

And Peter, thanks for posting the above Maytag photo.  I kinda remember that from when Ben posted it initially, I think.  I kinda knew that's where I would have put the broiler piecs, on the outside left & right of the rack as shown.  But I do question as to whether what's all on the right side the way it is, if pan/sheet in the middle of the 3 would get completely clean if extremely heavily soiled with the extra closeness of the pieces more toward the center.  Just as in my own experience with my own GE dishwasher when attempted loading the broiler pan as show in the GE advertisement.  That's all part of "BobLoading"  Yep, getting as much in as possible and as unorthodox at times, but you know I'm going to end up putting stuff in that is far more extreme with food  stuffs than the typical consumer.  And the end result still has to yield clean vessels and materials in that load when finished. 

As I've said, I do like my TT Kenpool Elite.  And I can get a lot in it, but Iw ill have to say the inability to put anything substantial over the silverware basket(s) is frustrating.  I pretty much usually managed to put a mixing bowl or pan or something on top of all the silverware just before turning the machine on.  Never really had any cleaning issues at all with it crammed.  Even stuff in the corner of the top rack.  I pretty much looked at the silverware basket not having something on top of it as wasted spacfe when something wasn't over it.  Same way with the "saucer" rack.  Always was able to put something there in each load, it wasn't wasted space either.  There were times it looked like there was just enough space for the telescoping tower to raise up through it's hole in the rack and that's it. 

I've put my opinion out there already on the so-called GE super racks. That top rack is, IMHO, one of the best, if not the best, upper racks ever designed for a FL dishwasher. Problem is/was, there was nothing super about that lame GE bottom rack which was the same basic design that they came out with in 1962. It was fine if you were still using standard coffee cups with saucers and what used to be called "China", but as we had all moved on, it became obsolete and unaccommodating. Compared to the elegantly designed octagonal bottom plate rack used in the GE pull-outs, that rack was a sad herald of the cheapness that was to come. The pins were flimsy and always misaligned, there was little or no accommodation of large or wide trays and pans. Feh!

I would like to provoke a thread on members' choice for the best bottom rack design. For my vote on vintage dishwashers, nothing, NOTHING, was better designed than the racks on the Maytag TL portable. It would be fun to poll opinions on contemporary machines, but it seems they've all evolved to a state of homogeneous dullness and whatever the word is for the opposite of ingenuity. That seems to be the problem with all contemporary appliances: they all seem to evolve into the same damn thing. Whereas there is increasing diversity and variety in the wild places of the world, the American kitchen has become a showcase of boring conventionality. Avocado green is looking better and better to me.

There was only one thing I wish could have been modified in that upper rack but I doubt it really coud have been done.  On the left side, the outer row was kind of "boxed" in.  You were limited as to just how thick of a glass you could put there.  I wish there was a way you could remove the rigid "fence" that separated that row from the next row in to allow for thicker mugs and such when needed.  There were times I'd get frustrated in trying to find things which could fit in that row.  Glass measuring cups couldn't fit.  And when baking and such, there were times I had a difficult time putting stuff in that row and it was wasted space. 

Ken, I think the only real distinction of the SuperRack bottom rack is the tines weren't simiply straight "sticks" that you put dishes between, compared to the lower-end GE models.  They were curved/sorta had a crook to them, hard to explain.  The last set of dishes my mom got that were for everyday were these very thick, hefty ironstone dishes from Service Merchandise.  They have quite a large diameter and are very thick.  With the GE tines designed such as they are, the plates always stood upright in the bottom rack, they never fell over while sliding the bottom rack in and out. (They would have never fit in the RotoRack because they were too big in diameter and wouldn't have cleared the top rack (even with it in the raised position) and they would have had to be tipped over to clear the rack, not a good thing for big dinner plates)  I acquired these dishes after my parents retirement living apartment was dismantled when my dad went to assited living.  The plates are so tall in my TT Kenmore Elite that I have to raise the upper rack to the higher position for the upper spray arm to clear--I don't like having the upper rack in this position actually.  So that's one strike against them with my current dishwasher.  the other thing is, they being kinda "top heavy", unless loaded in a certain way in the tines, they will topple over sometimes in the course of pulling the bottom rack in & out and I"m not one for moving it very fast.  I'm pretty slow with moving the bottom rack.  So them toppling over tendencty is another strike against them. 

I actually have chosen all my dishes because they will fit nicely in any brand of dishwasher.  I would never select any of the stuff that has come out in recent decades with cereal bowls which are deep and curve up on the side.  Hard to describe.  Why, because these bowls don't fit well in any dishwasher without taking up a lot of space for each one.  You can't stack them in a row of tin4es.  They have to be placed on the side or on their side inbetween rows of tines in the bottom rack such as a small deep casserole dish.  Wasted space and very impractical, no thank you!!  I want my dishes to fit orderly and organized in a dishwasher and not have to be arrang3ed in a special way that takes up a lot of room for each piece.  And cereal bowls are the worst.