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Post# 499382 , Reply# 1 2/26/2011 at 09:02 (4,801 days old) by akronman  (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Electric sink | ||
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Post# 499383 , Reply# 2 2/26/2011 at 09:03 (4,801 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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another | ||
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Post# 499384 , Reply# 3 2/26/2011 at 09:05 (4,801 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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and more | ||
| Post# 499386 , Reply# 4 2/26/2011 at 09:09 (4,801 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Thanks and it was the one dishwasher crazy posted in your link about half-way down. Thanks again. | ||
| Post# 501512 , Reply# 6 3/5/2011 at 12:04 (4,794 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
I have certainly been out of the loop for a while. My thanks to Mark (acronman) because I just have not been paying as much attention to the forums like I should. Thanks for adding the links containing my dishwasher/sink combos. Andy (retromania): If I understand correctly, what your friends Grandmother had was a GE Electric Sink (I have 6 GE Sink combos). Below is the video compilation that I put together of one of my GE machines so that you can see the action going on inside. Cathleen: Oh, My God! What a find you have in your new kitchen remodel, even if the dishwasher itself is missing. Who even knew that one of these 1926 Kohler sinks even still existed. Thanks for sharing your story. Most likely, you will not find any parts to restore the dishwasher. Good Luck. Keep us updated. Mike | ||
| Post# 501732 , Reply# 7 3/6/2011 at 06:30 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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OMG Mike - that's it! God you're good! I didn't see a video link tho?! The person in the photo on the right - is that from long time ago? Thanks for that photo! | ||
| Post# 501748 , Reply# 9 3/6/2011 at 08:51 (4,793 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Andy, Sorry, in my excitement to reply to your post, I forgot to go get the code and paste it into the reply. You can see my other dishwasher videos at www.Youtube.com/dishwashercrazy... And Yes, the old portion of my Avitar photo was taken in about 1967 to 1968 at about age 14-15 I think. We do not know exactly. I was loading our relatives dishwasher, just exactly like the ones I have in my collection today. 
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| Post# 501749 , Reply# 10 3/6/2011 at 09:36 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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WOW. Be still my heart! | ||
| Post# 501756 , Reply# 11 3/6/2011 at 10:38 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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What is that little chrome thing mounted to the top of the washer that looks like some sort of flue? I saw water going through it. Is that the water supply for the washer. If so, wonder why the water is visible? Please explain. Thanks. | ||
| Post# 501757 , Reply# 12 3/6/2011 at 10:41 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Started to ask you if it is a heated dry, but the very end of the video explains it - air dry!! | ||
| Post# 501863 , Reply# 14 3/6/2011 at 16:01 (4,793 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Andy, Thank you. I am happy that you enjoyed the video. The Chrome spout mounted on the sink top, is the Air Gap for the Water Inlet. A prominent Air Gap was common on the post-WWII GE Dishwashers. Air Gaps of some kind were, I believe, always and still are, used on all dishwashers - with most of them out of sight. The Air gaps on the GE machines were moved inside the machine cabinet by 1950 on some models and by 1951 on other models. GE introduced the Calrod Heating element on their 1950 model year dishwashers. Therefore, there is no Calrod on my 1948, and 1949 GE Electric Sink/Dishwashers. But the 1950, 1951, and later GE Dishwashers that I have, all have the Calrod for drying. At the end of the Wash/Rinse portion of the cycle, the motor continues to run, spinning the impeller for the duration of the drying period to aid in the drying process. This is also true for the Hotpoint, American Kitchens, and likely other manufactures which used the impeller technology on their dishwasher. However, by the time that the Bow-Tie style impeller was introduced on the GE dishwashers (mid-1950's), the motor/impeller does not turn during the drying portion of the cycle. [Somebody correct me if I am wrong here.] Gravity Drain vs Pump Drain. I believe that GE introduced a pump option in 1950 or 1951. The 1951 GE Product Man Book (Compilation of monthly GE service magazines) even shows a Pump Retrofit Kit that could be installed on the various models of Dishwashers to convert from Gravity Drain. The drain hose either was taken to a stand pipe, or hooked with a gooseneck over the side of the sink, or to an outlet spigot that mounted in the extra hole drilled in the sink top (Electric Sink models) where the sprayer would have been mounted. Huh, a part that kept breaking, you say? Well, I wonder if small items or silverwear kept slipping through the bottom rack, and was damaging the impeller? GE had a full wire mesh attached to the bottom rack just for the purpose of catching stray items from falling down anywhere near the impeller. I have had small plastic lids slip down there and the impeller rips them to shreds. Fortunately the plastic gives before the Bakelite. Unfortunately, the Bakelite fins on the impeller will break if something hard like a spoon hits it. Replacement impellers would cost in the range of $10 to $20 each. I cannot think of any other component that would break easily and repeatedly. I hope some of this help. Got more questions? I have tried to figure most of this all out on my own. Mike | ||
| Post# 501891 , Reply# 15 3/6/2011 at 16:33 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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That was a big help! Very simple technology. I wish my dishwasher had just one wash and two rinses period. I am so in the habit of rinsing the dishes before I load them in the washer that a good scalding a tad o soap is all they need! Good pictures of you also! Andy | ||
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Post# 501896 , Reply# 16 3/6/2011 at 16:40 (4,793 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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I wish my dishwasher had just one wash and two rinses period | ||
| Post# 501906 , Reply# 17 3/6/2011 at 17:04 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Really?! That gives me something to think about. I have a new'ish Whirlpool regular tub dishwasher. | ||
| Post# 501923 , Reply# 18 3/6/2011 at 17:43 (4,793 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Most of the early dishwashers only had one wash and two rinses. Even the earliest KitchenAid Dishwasher models KD-10 and KD-11 had only a wash and 2 rinses. The 1949 Round GE Portable Dishwasher Instructions suggested the same. First, here are photos of that machine. And the next Reply has the step by step instuctions for operating this totally manually operated dishwasher. Mike The hose hooks up to the sink faucet. The drain hose is connected to the fill hose with a strap and hangs inside the sink. The On/Off Switch is on top of the hinge assembly (10 o'clock position in photo showing the top). The lid has a reservoir which measures out and holds the proper amount of water used for the wash or rinse. The detergent cup slips out of it's position in the lid. The slide toggle switch in the handle portion of the lid (4 o'clock position in photo showing the top) is moved from the Wash/Rinse position to the Fill/Drain position. There is no lid lock, so be sure the kiddies don't raise the lid to see the wash action, else they will get a face full of hot scalding water. 
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| Post# 501929 , Reply# 19 3/6/2011 at 17:45 (4,793 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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| Post# 501930 , Reply# 20 3/6/2011 at 17:48 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Is that neat or what?! In the washer I see some Fire King Lustreware and it looks like some vintage Pyrex and some color banded drink glasses reminiscent of the 50's and early 60's!!! | ||
| Post# 501932 , Reply# 21 3/6/2011 at 17:51 (4,793 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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| Post# 501945 , Reply# 22 3/6/2011 at 18:07 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Neato! :-) | ||
| Post# 501946 , Reply# 23 3/6/2011 at 18:11 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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I'm looking again at the GE sink/washer combo. That is really a handsome unit. Thanks again for sharing that picture. It confirmed the memories I had of long ago! | ||
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Post# 501949 , Reply# 24 3/6/2011 at 18:21 (4,793 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Andy, my basic suggestion is to use your Low Energy or light/china cycles. they both have a wash, a purge, and a rinse. The light/china may possibly be a bit shorter. the only "gotcha" is the possible automatic temp control pausing the advance of time during the main wash to heat the water to 120 degrees and the final rinse. Make sure you run the hot water to the sink until it's hot and hten start the machine. the light-china SHOULD have a slightly lower set point for the final rinse than the low-energy cycle. Make sure you use absolutely minimal detergent or else you're gonna eat the seals and eat at the dish racks and then you'll incurr the wrath of combo52 & myself for abusing your dishwasher with no food soil and too much detergent. | ||
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Post# 501956 , Reply# 26 3/6/2011 at 18:46 (4,793 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 501957 , Reply# 27 3/6/2011 at 18:49 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Yes eletronic & I'm not where I can get the model #. | ||
| Post# 501959 , Reply# 28 3/6/2011 at 18:52 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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It was a close out. I only paid $270.00 for it and that included the stimilus rebate. | ||
| Post# 501960 , Reply# 29 3/6/2011 at 18:58 (4,793 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Mike! So the GE sink/washer combo you have now, is that the very one you're loading in the photo from 1967-68? | ||
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Post# 501966 , Reply# 30 3/6/2011 at 19:20 (4,793 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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That's a neat round GE. I see some HLC Harlequin cups in there. | ||
| Post# 502014 , Reply# 31 3/6/2011 at 20:47 (4,793 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Andy, No, I do not have the machine that I was standing in front of when I was a kid in the 1960's. Likely that machine went to the crusher in 1975 when the family that had it did a Kitchen Renovation. My family visited their family in August of 1976, and I was heartbroken to find that my beloved dishwasher was gone, replaced with a new GE dishwasher. The photo below is my Mom's cousin's husband, Johnny Trefz, standing in his new kitchen with the new dishwasher. They rearranged the kitchen, and the Electric Sink/Dishwasher was where the new range was placed. Heartbroken - because they didn't give it to me! Over the next 33 years, I would replay all of memory tapes of that dishwasher, thinking that I would never see one like it again. THEN I FOUND AW.org, Craigslist, and EBay! If you read my profile that I wrote in July 2008, I recounted almost exactly, the sights and sounds of that dishwasher from the 1960's that you see and here in my video above. I found my first GE Electric Sink/Dishwasher in Duluth, MN - a 1950 model. But upon arriving to pick it up, I discovered that it was a lost cause, and was heartbroken again. The tank was rusted through. The machine was dismantled and parted out. Next came the 1948 GE Electric Sink/Dishwasher that is featured in the video above. It came from collector Michael in the Detroit area. Next came the 1937 GE Electric Sink/Dishwasher from southern Wisconsin. Then, the miracle happened. In May 2009, I brought the 1949 GE Electric Sink/Dishwasher back from collector Greg in Massachusetts. It is in my present modern kitchen right now. It was brand new; never before installed; never used; still had the shipping block under the motor, and decals on the sink. Likely it sat in an appliance dealer's inventory for a number of years where at some point along the way, someone needed a replacement water valve and drain stopper, which were both taken off of this machine. Sometime later, probably mid 1950's to early 1960's, this machine was sold to an unsuspecting buyer, who fortunately placed the machine in heated storage, with the intent of installing it in a summer cottage, or cabin, or such. In 2007, it was put up for sale on Ebay or Craigslist, which is how Greg got it. In 2009, Greg already had/was liquidating his entire collection, which is how this Electric Sink came into my possession. Now I have a total of 11 whole Electric Sinks of various brands plus the parts from 3 other GE Electric Sinks. 
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