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Thread Number: 33339
Funny... Front Loaders are Junk |
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| Post# 501766 3/6/2011 at 11:26 (5,023 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 501782 , Reply# 1 3/6/2011 at 12:21 (5,023 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 501787 , Reply# 2 3/6/2011 at 12:33 (5,023 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US) |
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Trailer Trash Could not tell who was squawking the most, her or the parakeet with dirty water. Time to have some new supports installed before the trailer gets completely knocked of its foundation. I love front loaders. This post was last edited 03/06/2011 at 15:14 | ||
| Post# 501790 , Reply# 3 3/6/2011 at 12:35 (5,023 days old) by Pingmeep () | ||
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I can't laugh at someone that miserable. Edit: Looks like someone tried to be constructive in their comments. | ||
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Post# 501792 , Reply# 4 3/6/2011 at 12:38 (5,023 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Oh My..!!!
Shes missed the pre-fix out of "SOME" and even then...
Is it UNDERLOADED Is it on a Suspended Wooden Floor ( I see tiles but know people cover board) out the window doesnt seem ground level... But Hey we`ll never satisfy everyone!!! ...Lol She needs to go and buy the latest upgrade patch version sudz v2.1 with added glowwhite that will sort it out!!! | ||
| Post# 501794 , Reply# 5 3/6/2011 at 12:44 (5,023 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
sorry but i for one am one that don't love front loaders call me old fashion on this but i think that top loaders are more wash efficiant than front loaders and vibrate least on the final spin as well as saving time when it comes to washing a 14 minute wash is more than engough for wash time than having a 40 minute wash sorry but this is my 2 cent on this
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| Post# 501825 , Reply# 9 3/6/2011 at 14:52 (5,023 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
Spin speed?
I wonder what max spin speed these folks' previous TL washer had!
Frankly... I don't get it! In over a third of a century (or half a century in the case of my family) personal experience with FLs I am yet to see or hear of anything like this... nor have my friends or family! Old FL had a tendency to jump or maybe scoot due to an occasional imbalance cos’ of the lack of an auto balancing system but the majority of them had heavy duty shock absorbers and springs and they were sturdy enough to cope with an internal ‘kick’ only when the spin cycle was being launched (with an unfortunate unbalanced load)... without causing any unwanted movements to the cabinet. The new ones don't usually have this problem if they rely on a decent balancing system. A FL generally has a much harder job than a TL to cope with the potential vibes of an unbalanced load as they have to deal with gravity rather than spinning a statically positioned load of clothes rested on a turning flat surface, hence the presence in these of stabilizing weights and suspension system. I posted two links below, in one you see how an FL washer without balancing system behaves (the spin cycles start from the 8th minute onwards) and in the 2nd link you see the lovely effects of an unbalanced load in a TL. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Haxisfan's LINK | ||
| Post# 501826 , Reply# 10 3/6/2011 at 14:54 (5,023 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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Sorry... the link above refers to the unbalanced top loader... below is the one for the unbalanced front loader.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Haxisfan's LINK | ||
| Post# 501841 , Reply# 12 3/6/2011 at 15:31 (5,023 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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Hi 3beltwy... | ||
| Post# 501866 , Reply# 14 3/6/2011 at 16:08 (5,023 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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Well... I wish people would get their levelling sorted before putting stuff in bad light like that. I've seen many ppl (anywhere in the world) who use their machines without removing any of the transit bolts... let alone leaving just 1 in! Then, of course, they complain about shaking dramas!
One neat feature I noticed in some TL washers is that they have a levelling eye incorporated to the top of the cabinet. I've never seen this feature in FLs, probably it's generally assumed that the user would make some kind of arrangements to overcome stability issues... as it is, to say the least, imperative for a suspended tumbler to have its four feet firmly on the ground. | ||
| Post# 501868 , Reply# 16 3/6/2011 at 16:12 (5,023 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
funny
That floor is definitely not a cement slab. I thought to myself "she must live in a mobile home" when I watched her video. Same problem a lot of folks with older homes have if the laundry is on the second floor.
I have a second floor laundry and front load washer, but the house is newer and built very well. No vibration at all. And no odors either because I read the directions and know how to properly use it. | ||
| Post# 501889 , Reply# 17 3/6/2011 at 16:32 (5,023 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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my washer dryer is on the second floor and i can say that what i don't like about my front loader is the when it go into its spin sequance it not only vibrates but it echos as well so this is another thing that i don't like about front loaders but i rarely notice this when i had a top load washer so thats why in a way i am going back to a top load washer when the front loader i have breaks
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| Post# 501914 , Reply# 18 3/6/2011 at 17:15 (5,023 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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From what I've read here... The Front Loader "Stink" issue is due to Cold water washing and Nasty residue built up inside the Outer drum. I do not own one yet as I was pursuing a Front Loader recently and that was one of my concerns. But as I said, I do not own one yet and never wash in Cold Water. The way she is whipping around that Cam Corder, I am thinking she must have had a few "Beverages" during Laundry Day and has had it with Poorly Trained Techs. Although yes, it could be the construction of her home as well. | ||
| Post# 501936 , Reply# 19 3/6/2011 at 17:56 (5,023 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 501995 , Reply# 20 3/6/2011 at 20:13 (5,023 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Front Loader! | ||
| Post# 502003 , Reply# 21 3/6/2011 at 20:22 (5,023 days old) by 3beltwesty () | ||
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Here I suppose I will junk mine in 5 years and it would thus so cost 120 bucks per year to use. | ||
| Post# 502201 , Reply# 23 3/7/2011 at 14:49 (5,022 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
Hoovermatic
I think part of the problem is the majority of US detergents do not contain oxygen bleach, plus people in the US tend to have a laundry day, so if they close the door on the machine it may be sitting for several days before the next load is ran. My M.I.L uses Liquid detergent and shuts the door between washes and the boot on her machine is black with mold.
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| Post# 502255 , Reply# 25 3/7/2011 at 18:26 (5,022 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me i have a front loader that dates from 2004 and never had mold or bad smell issues because when i wash in cold water or warm water i use least detergent than what is recommended on the detergent liquid bottle instruction and at least half a month or before the month ends i use afresh washer cleaner when recommended and when not needed i start the washer and let it run a full cycle with no clothes in it and leave the door open or half open and always open the detergent dispenser drawer to see if there is exess water if so i open and close the dispenser witch gets rid of the extra water or empty it by hand.
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| Post# 502300 , Reply# 27 3/7/2011 at 21:50 (5,022 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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foul odors... myself,i have only delt with two washers that reeked;my F/L maytag neptune when i first got it,and a very grubby 24"DD top load kenmore-i was able to get the odors out of both quite easily. | ||
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Post# 502339 , Reply# 28 3/8/2011 at 02:37 (5,021 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I've had front-loading washers since 1986, and have never had an odor problem. The new Frigidaire 4474 is the first machine I've owned with a CLEAN WASHER cycle, which prompts me to do so every 50 cycles. I sometimes put off using that cycle for an extra 10-20 loads, but I eventually run it. It fills and tumbles with the cleaner (Tide Washing Machine Cleaner, as that's what's available; the manual suggests a massive dose of chlorine bleach). The CLEAN WASHER cycle uses about 7 gallons of water (two fills) and takes 41 minutes.
I use liquid chlorine bleach in 2-3 loads per week. A couple of years ago, I washed exclusively in cold water for about 10 months (but still used LCB on whites) and had no problems. I always pat the boot dry, wipe down the glass in the door, and empty any standing water from the dispenser drawer---which also stays open between washings. | ||
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Post# 502684 , Reply# 30 3/9/2011 at 09:27 (5,020 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 502709 , Reply# 33 3/9/2011 at 11:21 (5,020 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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So | ||
| Post# 502752 , Reply# 35 3/9/2011 at 13:42 (5,020 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me i use liquid detergent and when needed bleach and i never had mold or bad smells in my washer and on occasion i also use liquid fabric sofner and i mostly wash in cold water and warm water only time i use hot water is for bed sheets and to show i am posting my wash pattern here
Light colors clothe the temp i use is warm water Dark colors clothes the temp i use is cold water hand wash fabrics cold water wash bleachable T-Shirts and rags hot water wash bedsheets no bleach hot water wash and Please note that for most canadians or us that have know top loaders most of there life are not use to front loaders and have to adjust and for us and canadian front loaders the detergent use must be he high efficency or say on the bottle made for all machines and he machines as well. ok that was my 2 cent here | ||
| Post# 502785 , Reply# 37 3/9/2011 at 16:02 (5,020 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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thank you for the link from what i read in your post and this is just my tough i think that some us or canadian are just not ready yet for front loaders sure i have one now as a daily driver and like it but for me du to my size and having to sit down to load unload the washer is an inconviniance but i respect those that have a front load washer so i think that top load or front load the choice is personel and it also depends on the buyer 's budget as newer front loaders cost more
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| Post# 504008 , Reply# 38 3/14/2011 at 12:03 (5,015 days old) by 3beltwesty () | ||
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Maybe Europe's machines use more water? I always thought that Europe's 24" frontloaders did not use much water, until I saw this video: ) CLICK HERE TO GO TO 3beltwesty's LINK | ||
| Post# 504012 , Reply# 39 3/14/2011 at 12:24 (5,015 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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Maybe Europe's machines use more water? Hahahah, very funny ;) | ||
| Post# 504066 , Reply# 41 3/14/2011 at 15:47 (5,015 days old) by limey () | ||
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Age of Machine To Rolls-rapide. How old is that machine? I thought Rolls went belly up in the 1960's or somewhere thereabouts? | ||
| Post# 504067 , Reply# 42 3/14/2011 at 15:48 (5,015 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 504079 , Reply# 43 3/14/2011 at 16:46 (5,015 days old) by hoovermatic (UK) | ||
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Rolls twinnies is there any YouTube footage of these machines? | ||
| Post# 504090 , Reply# 45 3/14/2011 at 17:17 (5,015 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 504091 , Reply# 46 3/14/2011 at 17:17 (5,015 days old) by 3beltwesty () | ||
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Miele too? . CLICK HERE TO GO TO 3beltwesty's LINK | ||
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Post# 504097 , Reply# 47 3/14/2011 at 17:36 (5,015 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) |
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Mould/mildew = User error, nothing else. | ||
| Post# 504104 , Reply# 48 3/14/2011 at 17:46 (5,015 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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front loader washers and pets | ||
| Post# 504136 , Reply# 49 3/14/2011 at 19:12 (5,015 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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3beltwesty I couldn't stop laughing after clicking on those links! In the first article there's probably some sense in what they're saying but it all gets incredibly absurd when it shows pictures of visible mould growing on very visible and wipeable parts of the porthole O-ring!
Probably I'd be inclined to support this case if the affected components were somehow hidden or impossible to be reached by the user... blimey... the rubber gasket can accidentally get wiped even by your own clean clothes while unloading the washer... how long does it take to give it a swift wipe? The second article confirms the general misguidance of this type of speculation... and.. of course... whether it's Miele, LG, Electrolux or whatever-have-you, it will suffer the exact same symptoms as one another having been used by people with high levels of inncompetence: these are the people who should stick by washing in the river! | ||
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Post# 504181 , Reply# 50 3/14/2011 at 23:07 (5,015 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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When I bought this house the '78 GE Filter-Flo top loader stank.
It smelled like old chewing tobacco. Eventually I pulled the top panel off, and lo and behold was a thick furry brown layer of mold. I moved the washer and replaced it with a front loader - a Neptune 7500. The Neptune has NEVER had an off odor, period. And that's after ten years of regular use. So please spare us the "front loaders are junk" type of pissing contest. | ||
| Post# 504221 , Reply# 52 3/15/2011 at 08:39 (5,014 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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about maytag neptune washers | ||
| Post# 504223 , Reply# 53 3/15/2011 at 08:41 (5,014 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Second picture | ||
| Post# 504249 , Reply# 55 3/15/2011 at 11:40 (5,014 days old) by mrx () | ||
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Maybe US machines are gone too extreme with water saving: Check out this European machine : (Hotpoint/Ariston Aqualtis) Rinse levels are way higher than a US machine. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrx's LINK | ||
| Post# 504250 , Reply# 56 3/15/2011 at 11:42 (5,014 days old) by mrx () | ||
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European Bosch Rinsing Here's a European Bosch model rinsing : Again: notice the water level CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrx's LINK | ||
| Post# 504251 , Reply# 57 3/15/2011 at 11:46 (5,014 days old) by mrx () | ||
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Beko rinse Here's another European machine, a Beko doing a rinse with loads of water + a power jet! CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrx's LINK | ||
| Post# 504278 , Reply# 58 3/15/2011 at 13:22 (5,014 days old) by 3beltwesty () | ||
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Wow; here in the usa the modern mid 1990's and later FL washers trend is a rinse is really a water shower. One really see's no clothes in water. Maybe this is due to our water police. | ||
| Post# 504281 , Reply# 59 3/15/2011 at 13:44 (5,014 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i think that also the save water is not only applied in the us but it also applys to canada as well if you look at my duet washer if i wash a load in warm water on the Normal/Casual cycle before the first drain spin my washer adds cold water and if i wash the same load in cold water i save nearly 70% in water use as my duet washer skips adding cold water on the same cycle
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| Post# 504317 , Reply# 60 3/15/2011 at 16:38 (5,014 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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Rinse water level and Euro comrades...
I don't wanna spoil the fun here... I'd just like to set some facts straight. When you buy a European washing machine you are faced with a colourful energy label and a handful of specifications which include the water consumption averaging at 7.5l per kilo of laundry (less than 2 gallons per 2.2lb) and that means just that! On a standard heavy duty/cotton cycle (without the use of additional options such as 'extra rinse', 'super wash', 'fast iron' and all other names under the sun) your clothes are not going to swim in water even during the rinse cycle, however some machines might mislead you to think that your water well is running dry (figure of speech) by lessening the number of rinses and allowing a higher water level to compensate.
Now let's talk facts... how many litres per kilogram of laundry does an American FL average? Just a quick example to support what I've said about the deceiving amount of water used during rinse in a European FL: let's say a 6kg (13lb) washer needs 45l (approx 12 gallons) for a complete cycle (the type of cycle I hinted at earlier)... let's consider a 45l (approx) drum full of clothes (the European way of filling up a washer... which is right if one wants to follow the manufacturer's indications)... now let's press the start button and the cycle begins... the washer would require something in the region of 15-18 litres to carry out the main wash phase (that’ll give you a low water level as most of the water available would have been absorbed by the load)... so, the remaining 30l or less is what the machine has got left for the cycle to complete the rinse stage. At this point it's up to the manufacturer and the way the machine has been programmed to divide that amount of water into few rinses... preferably 2, so that the user can put a smile on their face and see some water reaching up the glass bowl (the water level during this stage is higher than the main wash cos’ the clothes did not absorb so much water as they did when the were dry... the spin cycle after the main wash only gets 50% or less water out of them). I can show you exactly what I mean by the 2 links I added below of 2 separate wash cycles in the same washer with similar size loads but with different wash programmes... 1 is a 2 rinse cycle and the other is a 3 rinse cycle. In both cases the washer uses an overall similar amount of water but the rinses are carried out in a different way. All this to say... if you are debating, smell problems and other inefficiencies from FLs I am still not convinced that we are on the right track by putting this issue down to water levels... unless it’s so inadequate in American FL washers that barely wets the clothes (even on the main wash) or the entrails of the machine itself for that matter. If you care to follow the links below and watch the videos go to 6.30 where the 2 rinse cycle starts… I’ll give you further instructions on the next post for the next link to a 3 rinse cycle programme. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Haxisfan's LINK | ||
| Post# 504318 , Reply# 61 3/15/2011 at 16:39 (5,014 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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2 vs 3 rinse cycle... | ||
| Post# 504329 , Reply# 62 3/15/2011 at 17:29 (5,014 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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thank you for posting the videos but as i watch these videos i would say that for the same load 1 rinse is engough and would like to say that using cold water for the same load of whites would save mostly 80% in energy and get the same cleaning power than being wash in hot water(just a fact) for me the only major time i would use the hot water setting is for bed sheets or if i have a load that would need bleach other wise i mostly use cold and warm water setting on my duet washer and my next washer will always be on the cold water setting since it will most likely be a top load washer like the model in this link
CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK 
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| Post# 504338 , Reply# 63 3/15/2011 at 18:25 (5,014 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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Are you trying my French out? Well... it's fine by me when it comes to reading it... speaking it... mais oui... that's another story ;-)
Merci beaucoup for the link... TLs are fine with just 1 rinse as they would already use as much water as a FL would for a whole cycle (unless they're HE). As for washing with hot/boiling water... you're right... and TBH I don't very often use it... but in that instance cos' of some very stubborn stains that needed a little extra boost to shift. If you go earlier in the video I posted above around 4.25 you'll see a silly waste of water which wouldn't have happened if I used a lower temperature... so that proves your point as to saving even more resources by means of using cooler water settings. | ||
| Post# 504449 , Reply# 65 3/16/2011 at 04:39 (5,013 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy) | ||
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Hi mrx
That's right... the things I was saying above bear the assumption that these washers are operated without the use of such selectable options... thus I only wanted to shed light over the fact that although European washing machines are not water guzzlers, you don't find many people (if any at all) that complain about foul odours or alien build-ups in them.
I would think that American/Canadian FLs have those options too... or have they? It's amazing how water level and energy related options have been shuffled around between older and newer machines: the old ones tended to have economy options to allow the user to save water and energy whereas the new ones have settings to increase these instead! | ||
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