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How Washington, DC Ruined Your Washing Machine |
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Post# 504820   3/17/2011 at 16:40 (4,952 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 504841 , Reply# 1   3/17/2011 at 19:09 (4,952 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 504847 , Reply# 2   3/17/2011 at 19:23 (4,952 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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front loader washers are bad clothe are ment to be agitated in water with an agitator witch lets the suds of the detergent get in the clothes not tumble in just a bit of water i have a duet washer from whirlpool thats dates from 2004 (1 gen of duet washers and if i have something to washe in eather the gentle delicate cycle or hand wash its skips to the first rinse with out removing the suds thats left on or in the fiber of the clothe not very good in my eyes.
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Post# 504852 , Reply# 4   3/17/2011 at 19:53 (4,952 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Pierre, you refuse to understand front loading washer's approach to doing laundry. You simply cannot think about appproaching how to do laundry in an old way with new technology without poor results. Every front loader I've ever come across--european as well as modern ones, do not do spins between and after every wash & rinse for delicatre and hand washable fabrics. My Frigidaire doews not do any spins between rinses on my perm/press/wrinkle free cycle until right before the final rinse. I have no issues at all with what I consider poor rinsing, if I did, I'd be itching, and my clothes come out extrmely clean, better than my old Lady Shredmore. And my stuff is lasing longer with a front loader than with the GE Filter-flo or the Lady Shredmore. |
Post# 504853 , Reply# 5   3/17/2011 at 19:57 (4,952 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I think the future of TL machines (roughly 1996 and older) could look a lot like the present day Cuba with regard to pre-1959 American cars, which are kept running as opposed to getting crushed through manufacture of replacement parts or adapting non-original components.
With all the boomer parent households currently being liquidated, there's no better time to snag a capable TL machine that was built not only to perform, but also to last. Before the rest of the country catches on. |
Post# 504859 , Reply# 6   3/17/2011 at 20:22 (4,952 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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To quote the late Mr. Heston. *LOL*
Love my water hogs of washers, this includes the Hoover TT, and Whirlpool portable. Much as one loves the Miele, some things need to be immersed totally in water for good washing results. Case in point,started spring cleaning this week and that meant windows cleaned and curtains washed. Learned from several past experiences that filthy curtains simply do not come clean in the Miele, even at it's highest wash water level (woolens program). In the past would have bunged the lot in my Hoover TT which does the job a treat, but this year used the Whirlpool top loader and it was grand. Two hot sudsy washes (with Ecolab high phosphate detergent), and two rinses later (not to mention all those spray rinses), my curtains were sparkling bright white again. No muss, no fuss, end of story. The really sad thing is with the federal goverment offering so much on the table to make "energy saving" appliances, manufacturers would be fools to leave it on the table and go it alone. This means zero, zip, nada R&D much less production to come of high water use top , much less front loading washing machines. When Whirlpool can reduce it's tax bill on several hundred millions in profits to zero with tax breaks, you can forget seeing the old Maytag or any other brand they own back as "water hogs" anytime soon. |
Post# 504868 , Reply# 7   3/17/2011 at 21:30 (4,952 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 504870 , Reply# 8   3/17/2011 at 21:49 (4,952 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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If you have a water hog you like, just fix it if it breaks. It'll still be better than anything else out there. |
Post# 504883 , Reply# 9   3/17/2011 at 23:15 (4,952 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 504891 , Reply# 10   3/18/2011 at 00:07 (4,952 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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I agree that today's new top loaders are not very good machines, especially with dumbed-down water temps. My 1955 Frigidaire Unimatic is a great TL - fun to watch and does a great job. I've also owned front loaders for 11 years and am pleased with the superior performance.
The writer states FLs are expensive, often have mold and you can't add a stray sock. I think he is stacking the deck to make his point. FL prices are dropping, I've seen new models with a heater and steam for under $700. That is not much more than top of the line TLs. (Those great TLs from the 50s and 60s our parents bought cost the equivalent of about $2,000 in today dollars.) I think mold issues are 98% operator caused. I've never experienced mold or odors in my FL. And I've seen mold in TLs. And we all know you can add a garment after the cycle starts in the FL. I'm glad they still make TLs for folks that want them. But I wouldn't want one of these new ones. |
Post# 504916 , Reply# 14   3/18/2011 at 05:21 (4,952 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Thing to keep in mind is they are designed for the US market where chlorine bleach rules. If you aren't using the stuff, then yes you are going to have to find some work arounds. Detergents designed for long "Euro" type frontloaders with long wash cycles do not have enough time to get up to speed.
As for "hot" fills, yes the same thing happens here. Was told by the attendent that since the water supply comes from the same boilers as what supply the large apartment building above,water must be "tempered". What a load of flannel. Really only use the place anymore for loads that are too large for the Miele, and or would require all day to get sorted. Otherwise don't bother, as the thought just puts me off. You might wish to nip around Alliance/SQ's website (with the model number of your washer), to see what can be found in terms of adjusting the washer's fill. |
Post# 504927 , Reply# 16   3/18/2011 at 06:57 (4,951 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 504946 , Reply# 19   3/18/2011 at 08:30 (4,951 days old) by seeitrun2006 (Commerce, GA)   |   | |
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I ment to say when we had a TL (Maytag 512A) it PUMPED 48+ gallons of water into my septic tank (we're not on city sewage) versus 22+ gallons from my FL. We got the FL after we got rid of the Maytag after it went belly up. Didn't know about AWO at the time. |
Post# 504978 , Reply# 21   3/18/2011 at 09:50 (4,951 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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My two cents:
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Post# 504981 , Reply# 22   3/18/2011 at 09:58 (4,951 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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OH I AGREE. WHAT A LOAD OF DIRT THAT IS!
Quote: As for "hot" fills, yes the same thing happens here. Was told by the attendent that since the water supply comes from the same boilers as what supply the large apartment building above,water must be "tempered". Unless the laundry room is within the apartment buildng itself (i.e. for residential tenants' use) and/or building-owner operated, it is RARE to have a commercial laundry establishment not have its own hot-water supply. If nothing else, one wants to meter the charges for usage to the owner of the BUSINESS (laundromant/tenant) not the owner of the BUILDING (landlord). Personally I want a Euro boil-washer and Euro electric condenser dryer, and a good old-fashioned.....er make that "Classic"... TOL Maytag top-loading washer and gas, vented dryer. With those four appliances I can have the best of perfomance, efficency, speed and capacity, and "green". Let's just say I am coveting a certain set of UK MaytAskos posted here occasionally! :-) In Puerto Rico (a tropical climate) a public laundromat I had used actually had a "Y" connector in the rear feeding tap-temperature water to both the "Hot" and Cold" inlets. One got "WARM" water at all times of the day; hotter when it was hot out. Not a sign to this effect anywhere. VOILA no hot-water expense! |
Post# 505033 , Reply# 23   3/18/2011 at 14:27 (4,951 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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What is up with the pitiful final extraction? Huh? Hmm? Huh?
Swear items taken out of one of those machines are near dripping wet, certainly no where near is dry with the Miele (even at 900 rpms), nor even the Whirlpool portable for that matter. Suppose the idea is to bake one's laundry dry in those uber heated laundromat dryers. However if there is any sort of detergent and or soil residue on the laundry you are also cooking it into the textiles as well. No wonder so many persons who use laundromats only for their washing have tattle-tale grey wash. |
Post# 505034 , Reply# 24   3/18/2011 at 14:33 (4,951 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 505051 , Reply# 26   3/18/2011 at 16:59 (4,951 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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It's 25 cents for five to seven minutes on average. Years ago one used to find some rather generous laundromat owners that gave ten minutes for the same amount, but no more.
To add insult to injury, when energy costs went up several years ago mat owners began turning down the heat on their dryers, and raising the price or shortening time per quarter. So now it takes longer to dry items because you are using cooler temps. |
Post# 505056 , Reply# 27   3/18/2011 at 17:41 (4,951 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Luckily the laundromat I go to, the owner makes sure that the hot water is indeed that, hot. The hot water here at my apartment is at best lukewarm when on the hot setting. And it has it's own water heater. I know they probably turned it down for energy purposes, but it could be a little hotter than they have it set. I pay a quarter more to wash at the laundromat, but I also use a quarter less to dry. And it's right across the street so using gas to get there is nothing to worry about. I'd rather do that knowing my clothes are getting washed in hot water, or very warm when I use warm than on lukewarm to cold.
Laundress.....The front loaders at the laundromat I use are the Huebsch, which I believe are made by Speed Queen. It does say on the label inside the door on the doube loaders that the spin speed is only 480 rpm. So I feel ya there, I think it should be at the least 600. But the dryers there are so big and roomy, that I can dry a load from one of those washers in a dryer there in 21 minutes. |
Post# 505066 , Reply# 28   3/18/2011 at 18:53 (4,951 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This article is so full of bulls;;t, the righter knows nothing about washers his only purpose is to rail against any goverment regulations. He is from [ the competitive enterprise institute ] after all which is a right wing think? tank. I am really disappointed that anyone from this group would even post this nonsense in a serious forum. |
Post# 505087 , Reply# 30   3/18/2011 at 21:05 (4,951 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 505227 , Reply# 31   3/19/2011 at 17:22 (4,950 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Am going out on a limb to guess the man meant using hot or even boiling water washes in a front loader with minimal drum movement, but high water levels.
My Miele will do near to 200F (not sure what the temp cut off is), on both permanent press and delicate cycles. There are times such as when trying to whiten/brighten and or remove stubborn stains using oxygen bleach that one will require hot/uber-hot water, but you also want the delicate action of minimal tumbling and high water levels. The high water level serves two functions, it gives items room to move about thus cushioning the wash action even further. Also for the case of pure linen which absorbs lots of water you want them to have it. The whole process is rather like a soaking items clean. Indeed the only difference between the extened pre-wash and delicate cycles on my Miele are the water levels, max temp allowed, and that one (delicate) will continue onto the rinses versus simply stopping after cycle is complete. |
Post# 505257 , Reply# 34   3/19/2011 at 19:35 (4,950 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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