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Post# 508767 4/2/2011 at 14:03 (4,771 days old) by akronman  (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Post# 508769 , Reply# 1 4/2/2011 at 14:04 (4,771 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Post# 508770 , Reply# 2 4/2/2011 at 14:05 (4,771 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Post# 508772 , Reply# 3 4/2/2011 at 14:06 (4,771 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Post# 508773 , Reply# 4 4/2/2011 at 14:06 (4,771 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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| Post# 508776 , Reply# 5 4/2/2011 at 14:30 (4,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Oooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Post# 508781 , Reply# 6 4/2/2011 at 14:42 (4,771 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 508783 , Reply# 7 4/2/2011 at 14:54 (4,771 days old) by magic clean () | ||
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Here is Doris Day in an advert with a similar & bit newer version of this machine 
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| Post# 508784 , Reply# 8 4/2/2011 at 15:02 (4,771 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Hey Mark--what a find! | ||
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Post# 508788 , Reply# 9 4/2/2011 at 15:21 (4,771 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 508796 , Reply# 10 4/2/2011 at 15:41 (4,771 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 508797 , Reply# 11 4/2/2011 at 15:41 (4,771 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 508799 , Reply# 12 4/2/2011 at 15:45 (4,771 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa) | ||
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| Post# 508803 , Reply# 13 4/2/2011 at 15:54 (4,771 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
get out the Spray9 and a Brillo pad.Just don't use it on the pasted on lettering because it eats the letters up.Spray it on,let it set for 10 minutes,then wipe it off.The inside of the lid and the tub frame will need some elbow grease but should sparkle once cleaned with Spray9.I'd immediately replace the belt and flush the pump out. I would also remove the entire inner and outer tub,replace the tub seal,scrub out and reinforce the inner tub with a rust resistant finish then put all of it back together.Great find. I'd say it's a 1960 model. I had a neighbor where I grew up that had this Supreme model.I always like its lint filter see through brush. a bitch to clean but neat to watch the whirlpool swirl as it washes and rinses.You may use it to dispense your detergent.The only downside on these BDs is they don't spin real fast.
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Post# 508817 , Reply# 14 4/2/2011 at 16:45 (4,771 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 508828 , Reply# 15 4/2/2011 at 17:47 (4,771 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Thats, a very nice Whirlpool. Newspaper ads in black /white had the filter gushing water in the 60's and 70's. Whirly ads from the RCA TV shops always had nice graphics. Great find. alr2903 | ||
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Post# 508844 , Reply# 16 4/2/2011 at 18:35 (4,771 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 508884 , Reply# 17 4/2/2011 at 21:03 (4,771 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 508892 , Reply# 18 4/2/2011 at 21:28 (4,770 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Rca Whirlpool
I couldn't even type right earlier, it's of course RCA Whirlpool, not CA, oh well. It will be a slow restoration, who knows, I've never before had a Whirlpool. Unless I find different proof, I'm just gonna claim it's 1959, like me.
It is an Imperial Mark VII, says so on the console. The bulb is burned out, I haven't had time to do a thing to any part of this machine yet. The 2 buttons in the center , left one says PRE-Wash Rinse, right one is blank, and doesn't push in, I think it's the space holder for the Suds, but this ain't a suds machine. The lid has instructions to push SUDS button on models so equipped. I'll get better pics tomorrow, all around. The motor turns, but not the belt! so I unplugged in 3 seconds, that's all I know so far. It was sitting in a hidden corner at a routine Akron tag sale, $50. There was plenty of literature for other wash machines, an early 80's Kenmore and a Frigidaire front loader, must be the two successive machines they owned, the Frigidaire is still in use. No literature on this, of course. so I am starting from scratch on all info. Totally pushbutton automatic, the main dial does not have any markings at all, all time and water temp and speeds is pre-programmed, 10 cycles to choose. So not exactly adaptable, but HOPEFULLY fun as hell. And heavier than hell. | ||
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Post# 508906 , Reply# 19 4/2/2011 at 22:37 (4,770 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mark, it's more adaptable than you think, especially once you get to know the machine. That pre-wash, rinse button is intended for either a prewash (when detergent is added) or as a 2nd/extra rinse. I'll probably be able to give you more insight once I see more pictures of the panel/buttons and lid instructions. | ||
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Post# 508908 , Reply# 20 4/2/2011 at 22:44 (4,770 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Whirlpool! | ||
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Post# 508958 , Reply# 21 4/3/2011 at 08:50 (4,770 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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1960 WP IMPERAL MARK 12 WASHER Congratulations on finding a very rare washer Mark. This would be a 1960 model and may have been made in 1961 I would need the full serial # to confirm the date of manufacture. I have a WP combo that is the same style control panel as your machine that was made in 1961. It is easy to activate the suds button above the timer which will enable you to make the machine dry agitate or you can even suck water back through the drain hose. | ||
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Post# 508966 , Reply# 22 4/3/2011 at 09:55 (4,770 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Hey combo----
Model W6004801, Serial S-6120, then it also sales SALES #Ga910w00.
I'd love to turn it into a suds saver like I've done on all my other machines, but i think I just gotta get it running first! Frankly, while I'd love to know exact date of manufacture, I was manufactured in 1959, so I"m probably gonna lie to friends and locals, they won't know anyhows! I have always wanted ANY 1959 washer, this may be close enough to count. I don't even know where to start yet, it hasn't even made it's way down the skinny old basement steps, but I'll keep posting and clicking the camera as I begin. The motor runs but the belt doesn't move, so I unplugged it in 3 seconds. So first is belt removal and hand turn the pump and tranny, see what's binding. I'm only on step 1. | ||
| Post# 508976 , Reply# 23 4/3/2011 at 10:30 (4,770 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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How exciting | ||
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Post# 508979 , Reply# 24 4/3/2011 at 10:54 (4,770 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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1960 WP IMPERAL MARK 12 WASHER It is easy to add a Suds-Miser to this washer as all you really need is the two-way valve and a different hose that goes from the water pump to the valve. WP used the same two-way valve from 1947- aprox 2005 and it is still available from WP. But like you said the machine will likely need some work, and even if the machine is a 1960-or 61 you may be younger than you think just change your age LOL. | ||
| Post# 509029 , Reply# 25 4/3/2011 at 14:54 (4,770 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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| Post# 509055 , Reply# 26 4/3/2011 at 17:20 (4,770 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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Cool looking machine, love those pushbuttons! I hope you can get it restored.
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Post# 509108 , Reply# 27 4/4/2011 at 00:33 (4,769 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Earliest work done
While still sitting in the living room, without a single new part, I had to play a bit. I took off the motor and removed the belt, pretty darn stiff in place after sitting 20 or more years. The transmission pulley turned with some initial effort, the center?? agitator?? pulley the same, the pump seems pretty well seized up. But I put back on the belt and dumped about 3 gallons of hot water inside, waited about 15 minutes, and plugged her in. I have to turn the timer VERY slowly past the fill portion since there's no running water, but soon I got it to agitate pretty slowly and I got back behind to watch the belt. The pump is still frozen, but the belt gets everything else moving. For one thing , a minor leak from the exterior tub hose port on the left as seen from behind, water level sensor airtube, should be an easy fix.
The pump is 4 port, for constant filtering and for pumping, and has various sliding arm actuators since it's single direction and has to switch from filtering during agitate to drain out during spin. And of course it's 2 chambers, right? Might this be an easy rebuild, I'm pretty good at such, or is this a common Whirlpool and Kenmore pump, ought to be easily bought new? Needless to say, with no real running water, and having to turn past the fil portions, it's hard to say exactly what is occuring, but sometimes the agitation is down to almost nothing, almost same as when I open the lid and something stops activating the agitator. But the spin always seems to work, and eventually I figured I could remove the mercury switch from its holder and let it dangle down inside the cabinet, then it still would be a poor agitation, something doesn't always want to kick in. I only played about 15 minutes, it does leak on the living room carpet and the pump doesn't work, so I should just shut up typing until it's downstairs installed and truly tested. Other times the agitation was full speed, full power, so maybe I should wait and get water/leak/pump working before I guess too much about that. Picture is of the pump still in the machine, it says S718 in ink, it seems very clear on Ebay that it is item #350367, 4 port Whirlpool/Kenmore pump. Anyone know for sure? Or is it very often a simple 3 squirts of oil once I get closer inside, for now I should not buy a new one, wait a few days until I get inside further? 
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Post# 509109 , Reply# 28 4/4/2011 at 00:35 (4,769 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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tub cover on RCA Whirlpool
Mesy dirty, to be expected, and the fill hose is broken near the fill valve, but that will be easy to find new. But this airgap plastic chamber pictured, isn't it supposed to have some back on it, closing it? Seems like this would leak horribly.
(That grill metal piece in the pic is just dirty dishes, not any part of washer) 
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Post# 509111 , Reply# 29 4/4/2011 at 01:00 (4,769 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Model/Serial #
Clear as a bell, the metal label reads MODEL # W6004801, SERIAL #S-6120, SALES #GA910W00.
I can't find any recognition of this model/serial anywhere, on any site I find old Maytag, filter Flo, Hotpoint, etc, nothing comes up at all. HELP??? Or does someone know a semi-comparable Model # for a Kenmore from 1960 or so, might have the same tranny and wig-wag and pump, etc, even if the controls differ greatly? I also tried looking it up as Whirpool instead of RCA Whirlpool, still no luck. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows--- Mark | ||
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Post# 509123 , Reply# 30 4/4/2011 at 03:48 (4,769 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The fill flume is supposed to be open at the back.
The "center" pulley you refer drives the basket for spin. The transmission is driven by the large pulley seen at the left side of the pump picture above.
350367 is the 4-port pump. All belt-drive machines that use a 4-port pump should take the same one.
The lid switch shouldn't have any effect on agitation.
There are two styles of wigwag -- large-diameter (old style) plunger and small-diameter (new style) plunger. I don't know when that change occurred. Small can be retrofitted to large but the plungers also have to be changed. Unlikely large is still available, and I'd be surprised if your machine has large being that wigwags are a common failure and it likely would have been changed to small along the way.
A frozen pump will make everything run sluggish. Best not to run it that way, puts a strain on the belt. | ||
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Post# 509126 , Reply# 31 4/4/2011 at 05:00 (4,769 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Akronman -
The pump in your machine is already a replacement. The gray-bodied pumps were produced in the 1960s, and yours seems to be dated 1967. If it is locked up I personally would not invest any time into it whatsoever. They were still available from Whirlpool last time I checked, and are plentiful on eBay as you've already seen. A new pump will operate your machine's lint filter at maximum flow, and should not pose a drag on the belt or motor for some time to come. If your machine still has the original style wide plunger wig-wag, Glenn is right, they are very NLA. These were changed in 1963 to the slim plunger design which is much quieter. You can cut the rivets in the plungers and remove them. New plungers w/rivets and wig-wags are available on eBay as well. Looks like you have a fantastic machine - good luck getting it up and running! Gordon | ||
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Post# 509143 , Reply# 32 4/4/2011 at 08:14 (4,769 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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new parts
Ebay is great, wig wag ordered, pump ordered, about $45 total.
Isn't there also a solenoid that "deactivates" all acton when the lid is up, or what processes does that mercury switch control? Also, is there any out-of-balance switch on this or what? And, while I still don't have the tranny working 100% or any water in the machine,a few more questions: Is the motor a one-speed, one direction unit? How does this machine accomplish 2 speeds? My motor runs fine, has a capacitor in a shiny aluminum housing, look newer than the motor. While I have a few days before all my Ebay parts arrive, I'll work on cleaning and such-------Thanks VERY MUCH for your advice-------I also needs batteries for the camera, then more pics-- Thanks Mark | ||
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Post# 509147 , Reply# 33 4/4/2011 at 08:21 (4,769 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Whirlpool belt-drive motors do not reverse. Two or three-speeds is actual motor speeds, there's no speed-clutch involved like on FilterFlos. The lid switch simply breaks current to the spin solenoid on the wigwag to disengage the clutch. It has no effect on agitation or any other machine function. The timer and motor (in neutral drain mode) continue to run. | ||
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Post# 509154 , Reply# 34 4/4/2011 at 10:19 (4,769 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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1960 WP IMPERAL MARK 12 WASHER More details about your washer, the motor is two speed hi 1725 rpm and low 1140 rpm the three sp motors did not come about till 1964 and they added a third lower speed of 850 rpms. Wp did not use off-balance switches on their washers, that was a step-up KM only feature that never made any sense to me, even commercial BD washers built by WP didn't need this useless annoying feature, I disconnected them by the dozens on KMs. The shinny capacitor housing is plated steel, I wouldn't go to the work of changing the wig-wag assembly unless there is something wrong with yours. | ||
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Post# 509318 , Reply# 35 4/4/2011 at 21:55 (4,768 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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Post# 509391 , Reply# 37 4/5/2011 at 08:37 (4,768 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Aferim! | ||
| Post# 509535 , Reply# 38 4/5/2011 at 19:09 (4,768 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass) | ||
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Wigwag replacement One of the coolest things about this particular vintage machine(pre-1964)is the click click of the fat solenoid cam followers.I always loved this sound.Replacing the followers with the newer ones will eliminate this sound and then make the machine a mongrel. | ||
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Post# 509562 , Reply# 39 4/5/2011 at 21:04 (4,768 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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I'm lazy
Trust me, current ancient wig-wag seems to be working just fine, so when the new one arrives, it can sit for as many years as it want, collecting dust on a shelf. And check out the other thread, correctly labeled RCA instead of CA, there's a bad picture of the current wig-wag, I believe it's original, over 50 and still ticking, like me.
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