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Post# 511651   4/15/2011 at 13:27 (4,622 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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It appears that the spray from the upper wash arm is rather anemic. Would the WP be better?

Post# 511659 , Reply# 1   4/15/2011 at 14:07 (4,622 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

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I think this is the worst design GE dishwasher they ever made. Their is so much space taken up that easy loading would be almost impossible. Why didnt they just go back to the potscrubber2 design? And I think the Whirlpool is a thousand times better in capacity and loading conveince as well as cleaning!

Post# 511685 , Reply# 2   4/15/2011 at 17:50 (4,622 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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It looks like the supply of water is more than the arm can handle, I would imagine very little pressure gets through to the upper reaches of any taller items in the upper rack.  Wonder if this is a "me wash you long time" dishwasher, that would be the only way things will get clean.  Splash water around for three hours and soak the dishes clean - electrically!


Post# 511710 , Reply# 3   4/15/2011 at 20:35 (4,622 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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Yeah that design doesn't look very effective for the top rack at all. My GE made Hotpoint doesn't have the wash arm for the top rack, just the wash tower, and it works great.

Post# 511719 , Reply# 4   4/15/2011 at 22:02 (4,621 days old) by A440 ()        


Did you notice that turd looking thing floating from the back near the sump area while it was filling? 

I never really considered the upper wash arms all that strong.  Even on the KDS-18 and such.  I always

found that they were really just a "constant rinse".  The vintage dishwashers are quite stronger than this thing, but

not by much.

I think the real washing power is from the lower wash arm.

That turd thing is freaking me out!


Post# 511724 , Reply# 5   4/15/2011 at 22:12 (4,621 days old) by A440 ()        

When I look at it again it looks like a dead roach!  LOL!

I guess a roach is better than a turd...


Post# 511728 , Reply# 6   4/15/2011 at 23:01 (4,621 days old) by danmantn (Tennessee)        

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My first $199 WP dishwasher was super basic and lasted 7 years before the pump started leaking. I had no idea of how it worked until one day i opened the door and the middle thing was stuck n the "erect" position...totally flipped me a monster had invaded my dishwasher. Lol

I hated the center cone design as i could never wash anything really large, like a Crock pot insert, etc.

Post# 511740 , Reply# 7   4/16/2011 at 01:37 (4,621 days old) by mixfinder ()        
What Goes on Behind Closed Doors

I have this dishwasher, purchased from Second Use, in Seattle for $25.00.  It is quiet and does a super job.  I often place casseroles and roasting pans on the upper rack and they come out sparkling.  My only issue is is the telescoping spray nozzle that pops up during wash to feed the upper wash arm occasionally stays in the upright position requiring a push to send it back down so the lower rack can be pulled forward for unloading. A small inconvenience for a cheap, silent and effective dishwasher.  My inquiry in another post about my daughter's Kitchenaid dishwasher was to help me decide if it was worth bringing the Kitchenaid back from Dallas in the trunk of my car to replace the GE.

Post# 511747 , Reply# 8   4/16/2011 at 02:14 (4,621 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

That looks like a very inconvenient design!
Even on my aunt old dishwasher, where the upper spray arm is fed via a Venturi tube, it comes from the ceiling of the machine and not from the bottom! So you don't waste any space.

Post# 511761 , Reply# 9   4/16/2011 at 10:46 (4,621 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Take it or take it!

If you want to replace the GE machine with the Kitchenaid, I would say it is a definite YES!!!

I think you will be more than ecstatic with the performance and results from the Kitchenaid over the GE in the picture. It is no where near as intimidating to dishes and such as the Hobart designed machines or even the WP Standard tub clones but it does a good job and certainly will hold more than the GE ever can.

I say "TAKE IT!

Post# 511764 , Reply# 10   4/16/2011 at 11:00 (4,621 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Give and Take

More to consider.  I'll let the God of things vintage and valuable make the decision.  If nothing else has shown up and there's still an empty trunk I'll load er up.

Post# 511767 , Reply# 11   4/16/2011 at 11:05 (4,621 days old) by JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        

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My sister's Frigidaire had a top-feed upper rack wash arm. Always thought it was kind of a hit-or-miss way to wash the contents of the upper rack.

Post# 511780 , Reply# 12   4/16/2011 at 12:36 (4,621 days old) by mixfinder ()        
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Didn't Frigidaire make a dishwasher that alternated water from the top and then bottom spray arms without them both going at once?  I have a friend who bought one in the 90s that's like that and it also has a setting for just washing one rack.

Post# 511785 , Reply# 13   4/16/2011 at 12:50 (4,621 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Kelly---You are correct that later model Frigidaire dishwashers adopted the Euro-feature of alternating rack washing. Mine did a great job on dishes/glasses/flatware, but needed a little pre-scrub help with really grimy pots/pans. The nice thing about that feature is you often get an Upper or Lower-rack only wash option for half-loads. And it allows the manufacturer to use less water per fill, since it doesn't have to feed both wash arms at the same time.

My current machine, an LG, also alternates between upper and lower racks, but it's so quiet I don't notice the alternation. It was very obvious with my Frigidaire.

Post# 511849 , Reply# 14   4/16/2011 at 20:21 (4,621 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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This is why I got hot that my pots and pans did not come clean on the top rack like with older dishwashers made in the 80's and late 90's!
A true dishwasher should be able to clean on both racks no matter what, but as you know, we like our dishwasher to be so quiet that dishes comes out shytie (somewhat) clean.......

Post# 511911 , Reply# 15   4/17/2011 at 08:33 (4,620 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota)        

The only DW I liked with the tower was the Maytag Jet Tower.

Post# 511937 , Reply# 16   4/17/2011 at 11:48 (4,620 days old) by llmaytag (Southern California)        
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I never understood how an upper wash arm could deliver a reasonable wash unless it was fed from a hard pipe or hose, as opposed to simply squirting a jet of water into the inlet. I used to have a WP model with the plastic lower wash arm (with two square jets and three round jets on each side of the arm) and a center two-jet tower. It actually did a great job.

About a year or so ago I replaced it with the last of the short tub WP with the full upper wash arm, (fully piped/hosed, no center jet/tower). It works well, but not as much better as I expected, (much quieter though). Anyway, one day looking at the lower wash arm, I realized that the two closest-to-center jets are quite far apart, though one is angled inward. Curious, I did a test with a tall glass loaded in the center of the lower rack and sure enough, not wash action.

Post# 511938 , Reply# 17   4/17/2011 at 11:49 (4,620 days old) by llmaytag (Southern California)        
Wash Tower - 2nd pic

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Second pic - after running a rinse for a while with the glasses in the bottom center. Apparently no spray inside the glass.

Post# 511940 , Reply# 18   4/17/2011 at 11:51 (4,620 days old) by llmaytag (Southern California)        
Wash Tower - 3rd pic

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The console, just a rinse. (Sorry for the basic pics....I used my Blackberry camera and the lens is probably dirty.)

Post# 513367 , Reply# 19   4/24/2011 at 07:32 (4,613 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Just have to Ask...

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What is the Purpose of a Rinse and Dry Cycle ?

It's like the Plate Warmer Thread. Does anyone ever use this Cycle ? (Rinse/Dry)

I could see it used for Dusty Displayed China and what not, but I personally would like a little soap in there just to cut any film or grease that has collected.

Post# 513445 , Reply# 20   4/24/2011 at 16:57 (4,613 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Eddie, the pic of the dishwasher panel above your post is not Rinse & Dry, it's a Rinse Only cycle--the modern euphamism for Rinse & Hold.  that's all it is. 

Post# 513704 , Reply# 21   4/25/2011 at 19:36 (4,612 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
I bought that DW for my old apartment...................

off the floor model from Best Buy for under $200.00. It was better than the BOL GE that came with the apt. It washed decently, but the console discolored quickly to a yellowish color in the first year, and loading was ok. Out of 5 stars, I would give it 2.5

Post# 515386 , Reply# 22   5/3/2011 at 07:12 (4,604 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        
just a thought

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If the budget can afford it, Bosch would be another good choice. The upper spray is tube fed and some models have a half load and/or a top rack only option. It cleans great, quiet, and no exposed heating element.

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