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Thread Number: 34137
Frigidaire Washer vs. Kenmore Washer advert. -- Vid' on 'YouTube' |
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Post# 512531 4/20/2011 at 00:29 (4,745 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy  (Oak Park, MI) |
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Although I have long-been a fan of Frigidaire washers, I'll admit the pulsator agitator had admittedly become antiquated in comparison to the newly-introduced dual-action Kenmore design...
Needless to say, the "Chop!..., Chop!..., Chop!" agitator motion of the Frigidaire ("Low Sudsing" detergent required????) just seems to be suffering from a bad case of "Suds Lock"!!!! Now what do you think? -- Dave CLICK HERE TO GO TO DaveAMKrayoGuy's LINK | ||
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Post# 512555 , Reply# 1 4/20/2011 at 05:23 (4,745 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 512560 , Reply# 2 4/20/2011 at 06:16 (4,745 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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It looks like the Frigidaire washer has a larger load than the Kenmore. | ||
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Post# 512572 , Reply# 3 4/20/2011 at 08:02 (4,745 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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while the Frigidaire does seem overloaded....the original was actually a "Frigidaire" commercial to show how long it took for the Kenmore to get a "sock" down under to where the wash action was, and rollover, compared to the Frigidaire sucking the "sock" under in seconds and reappear over and over......not to mention in reality the DualAction corkscrew only functioned when put under a "strain" of a heavy load, otherwise it would index back and forth with the bottom part of the agitator, Kenmores commercial, in a clear tub machine, showed how it moved a black sock around a heavy load, with turn over of 3 or 4 times during a wash period.....
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| Post# 512585 , Reply# 4 4/20/2011 at 08:54 (4,745 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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| Post# 512586 , Reply# 5 4/20/2011 at 08:55 (4,745 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Post# 512591 , Reply# 6 4/20/2011 at 09:10 (4,745 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Nice recreation | ||
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Post# 512593 , Reply# 7 4/20/2011 at 09:42 (4,745 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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After seeing "The Real Deal-Comparison", | ||
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Post# 512607 , Reply# 8 4/20/2011 at 11:24 (4,745 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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"not to mention in reality the DualAction corkscrew only functioned when put under a "strain" of a heavy load, otherwise it would index back and forth with the bottom part of the agitator"
That may have been true of the first DAs with that spring and notched auger (most especially in a partial water level) the second generation DA, which came out within 18 months of the original (which has the agitator dogs), indexes very little if at all, even when in a zero clothes load, as long as it is lubricated properly. I do agree though that the Fridge is overloaded and doesn't look to have the same size load as the KM. Gordon | ||
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Post# 512626 , Reply# 9 4/20/2011 at 14:33 (4,744 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Very true Gordon, about the next gen of DA's....I would say the better machine would be the Fridge....both have pros and cons.......I'd be more curious if these were the same exact loads....Kenmores claim has always been the largest usable capacity, and it did wash a very large load......I always liked the DA's for moving difficult loads like blankets and sheets, but can't be sure for my limited use of a 1-18......
when was the last 1-18 made?.......I thought WCI took over in the late 70's to early 80's with their plastic designs...... | ||
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Post# 512682 , Reply# 10 4/20/2011 at 19:20 (4,744 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Truth Be Told ya gotta remember, the video Jason shot purposely stacked the Kenmore to purposely come out winning like a champ (after all, Jason is a Kenmore man and so the Kenmore has to wint). And the Frigidaire was very much overloaded. Now, when we had the Texas wash-in at DaDoES house, as well as a former membr's house, I took REAL "BobLoad" of towels to put in Austin's 1/18. The load actually equialed two 3/4 full loads of towels I'd put in the Shredmore. The machine rolled and washed that load of towels to perrfection without nary a complaint or choke. | ||
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Post# 512688 , Reply# 11 4/20/2011 at 19:38 (4,744 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Ooooh no ya don't
So about seven years ago or so I set out to test the difference in washing methods between a 1957 Kenmore washer vs. a 1958 Frigidaire washer. I had the club vote at that time which agitator would be used for the Kenmore test, the choices were a Straight Vane, Roto-Swirl, Super Rotor-Swirl and Whirlpool Surgilator. The guys chose the Surgilator.
I took five pair of jeans size 31/30, set the machines for warm wash and full water fill and let 'em go. Notice how I load the machines to what is best for each type of machine. These videos are old now and not up to our 2011 quality standards, I'll have to re-do them at some point with a newer camera, but you can still clearly make out the wash action. The first video is the Kenmore: Second video is the Frigidaire: Third video is the same two videos shown side by side for comparison: I'd say both machines have their advantages and disavantages in washing. What do you all think? Discuss... | ||
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Post# 512690 , Reply# 12 4/20/2011 at 20:16 (4,744 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 512708 , Reply# 13 4/20/2011 at 21:45 (4,744 days old) by 300C (Jonesboro, GA) | ||
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I'd give the edge to the Frigidaire...and then there's that 1140 rpm spin speed! | ||
| Post# 512717 , Reply# 14 4/20/2011 at 22:50 (4,744 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Fun Videos Robert! Brent | ||
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Post# 512824 , Reply# 15 4/21/2011 at 10:50 (4,744 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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theres pros and cons.....and actually both did a rather decent job.......thanks Robert for making it equal with the same exact loads......
I was just re-reading the Kenmore DA Ad.......although this DA does a decent job of moving the load and improves cleaning, I can't get over the gimmick....their using an 18lbs machine, and only put in a 15lbs load??????.....I first bought a DA when they were available in the catalog to fit Kenmores in 1981, and installed it in my Whirlpool, I have to admit it allowed for a larger load to be washed, and truly functional in moving the larger load down to where the cleaning zone, I did not understand why they didn't incorporate the 6vane baseless rotoflex agitator instead of 4 vanes......also funny to compare with a Whirlpool, all in all, the same machine, at this point they could have added another Kenmore with a rotoswirl for comparison What model of Kenmore are they using in this test?.....puzzled by 4 buttons for options.....I figured water level, water temp, cycle modifier....suds saver?...end of cycle buzzer?... 
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| Post# 512830 , Reply# 16 4/21/2011 at 11:44 (4,744 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 512849 , Reply# 17 4/21/2011 at 14:33 (4,743 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY) | ||
GE Malcolm, I believe the GE, if a large tub model, would have still had the straight-vane in it in 81. I tend to agree with you, the ramp moves the clothes a lot. The only thing about the ramp is that it is so smooth, there really isn't a lot of "scrubbing" like there would be with the Kenmore base. The clothes do move around in the water a LOT in a GE though, and I think the result would have been comparable if not better.
It appears that they are testing the DA against a Whirlpool directly to the right as well? I can't tell if that's what the 1st machine is. The GE is a Dispense-All machine so 81 may have been about right? I think the Dispense-All lasted through 84? Maytag is probably a 10 series. I hope they used the big-tub versions of the rest of the manufacturers for a more accurate test.
-Tim | ||
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Post# 512851 , Reply# 18 4/21/2011 at 14:46 (4,743 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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| Post# 512864 , Reply# 19 4/21/2011 at 16:27 (4,743 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
"Discuss." Okay the frigi is getting more suds out of the jeans than the km
side by side it's a close race, two really different styles of agitation
with a smaller tub and many many fewer gallons of water--8?--the frigi is a better deal
you show undeniably that proper loading into quadrants or quintets prevents tangling in a Unimatic
my personal preference is with Martin's for the rotoflex--it takes up so little room and with all the action at the bottom, it effectively functions like a pulsator as the clothes fly down the column in the same way. The other two best performers from my experience are the--darn i can't remember the name--HI LOW when the fins are fully extended, and the original 3 vane which might really do a number on 5 pair of jeans.
You gave the hardest exam--jeans-- stiff and thick. Towels are smoother and allow for keener observation.
Glad you dug this up Robert. At 7 years old, I bet most of us haven't seen it. Hope everybody does. Thanks.
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| Post# 512868 , Reply# 20 4/21/2011 at 17:05 (4,743 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
As a few members pointed out in the original posting of Roberts comparison test, the advantages of the Frigidaire over the Whirlpool is the gentler washing action. There would be less wear and tear on the jeans with the up and down wash motion. And the 1140 rpm spin speed would definitely extract more water from the jeans allowing for less time in the dryer. However the advantage the Whirlpool has over the Frigidaire is better actual cleaning of the jeans, especially if they are heavily soiled. Also with the slower spin speed of the Whirlpool there would be less chances of wrinkles setting in should you choose to hang dry the jeans over putting them in the dryer. I personally like both machines. And no matter the brand, one will always have an advantage over another. But comparing can be fun! I'd like to see the same test with a 71 Lady Kenmore with the Vari-Flex agitator with the fins extended to HI and a Frigidaire of the same year. If the 1-18 was in production in 71, that would make for a great comparison test.
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Post# 512873 , Reply# 21 4/21/2011 at 17:28 (4,743 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Vern is exactly correct.
The Frigidaire is going to excel at rinsing and spinning the jeans over the Kenmore. The solid basket combined with the high speed spin will make for better rinsing overall. Since I would never dry jeans on a clothes line, they go right into the dryer, the wrinkles from high speed spins are a non issue. The Kenmore/Whirlpool is going to have a better cleaning ability overall and will break new jeans in faster, also if there is any sand that was not shaken out before it the Whirlpool will excel in removing it over the Frigidaire. Rapid turnover does not equal better cleaning ability. However no turnover will definitely make for poor cleaning ability. Each and every machine design has at least one aspect or another that works better than any other design. It just depends on what category you are comparing. In my opinion and this is from using all types of machines available to me for many years now is the best scenario is to have multiple machines, I would very rarely ever wash Jeans or other very bulky items in a Frigidaire and would never wash towels or underwear in a Whirlpool/Kenmore or any other washer that didn't have a solid tub and 1000rpm+ spin between the wash and the rinse. | ||
| Post# 512880 , Reply# 22 4/21/2011 at 18:34 (4,743 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Huh? | ||
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Post# 512884 , Reply# 23 4/21/2011 at 18:41 (4,743 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Martin ... "4 buttons for options" Martin, that was the first center dial LK. The 4 knobs were water level, water temp, 2nd rinse on & off, and soak/pre-wash only or soak/prewash to wash option. To cut costs, a few years later, the two "option" knobs functions were consolidated into one knob--something like wash only, soak only, wash & 2nd rinse, soak & wash, and soak, wash & 2nd rinse. I never liked the panel after the "consolidation", it just looked unbalanced. They did the same thing with the LK dryer. Originally the 4 butons were push to start, temp, variable signal selection, and wrinkle guard III on or off. | ||
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Post# 512907 , Reply# 24 4/21/2011 at 20:23 (4,743 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 512910 , Reply# 25 4/21/2011 at 20:31 (4,743 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Ummmm....... | ||
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Post# 512930 , Reply# 26 4/21/2011 at 22:04 (4,743 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 512954 , Reply# 28 4/22/2011 at 01:40 (4,743 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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| Post# 512981 , Reply# 29 4/22/2011 at 06:06 (4,743 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 513056 , Reply# 30 4/22/2011 at 12:27 (4,743 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Comes to the Rescue!
) the Frigidaire's stated capacity is 10 pounds while the Kenmore's is 12; therefore the Frigidaire could justly have been tested with 4 pair of jeans or 5 pair in the later 12 pound Frigidaire tub (1962/3), for ultimate fairness. IT JUST CAME: VARIFLEX.......YAY
lol, I think there just fine washed in any machine that you very much!