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Post# 512976   4/22/2011 at 05:09 (4,615 days old) by washerlover24 ()        

i have been stayin at my aunties and using her washing machine and dryer(zanussi really old......) and i used a progrmme called A Class 40* and it takes forever but brilliant results otherwise use mini 30' rinse level is brilliant will try and get somepis ifi can :)

Post# 512979 , Reply# 1   4/22/2011 at 05:29 (4,615 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Zanussi still feels as an open wound for me!

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If that's the mini 30 (worn once) I had in my 1997 Zanussi then it'll be as useless as useless can get!! Never mind about the good water level during rinses... what about washing? Certainly with its 'less than 10 minute' main wash wasn't able to shift much... however, that cycle was designed for very light soil and for a very small load... it was still useless and pointless as a cycle: all the water loaded during the rinses in such scenario (light soil + small load) was just a mere waste... moreover, it'd just be unsuited for any small as it'd make the garments float with no real action.

I guess the newer Zanussi washers after that model of mine (FL681)... or even other models of the same series (Nexus) in that period weren't as useless!!

Post# 513548 , Reply# 2   4/25/2011 at 06:52 (4,612 days old) by washerlover24 ()        

we use it all the time and does the job great i think .......

Post# 513650 , Reply# 3   4/25/2011 at 15:33 (4,611 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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I think washerlover is speaking about the mini 30 programme on a Beko machine. I use a BOL Beko machine at work and the Mini 30 wash is very effective.

Post# 513652 , Reply# 4   4/25/2011 at 15:43 (4,611 days old) by nrones ()        
about 30 minute wash programmes...

Can you tell me how does mainwash lasts on mini 30 in Beko, and what is a max temperature? :)

Post# 513654 , Reply# 5   4/25/2011 at 15:52 (4,611 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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It is a 30deg Celsius mainwash with long tumbles. I think it lasts for 10 to 12 mins then followed by two high level rinses and an 800rpm spin, thats on the BOL 5kg 1000rpm model.

Post# 513656 , Reply# 6   4/25/2011 at 15:59 (4,611 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        

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Thanks... I see it now: he was talking about the dryer whereas the washer was mentioned in the title. Thanks again ;-)

Post# 513661 , Reply# 7   4/25/2011 at 16:04 (4,611 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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No probs, I was confused too! far a Beko goes a few people I work with have various models and have been pretty impressed with the shorter programmes, however the "A class at 40" deg wash takes nearly 3hrs!!!! A bit excessive for 5kg of laundry I feel!

Post# 513663 , Reply# 8   4/25/2011 at 16:09 (4,611 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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My cosin has a 6kg 1400rpm model, WMA641 (I think).

They use the cottons wash more or less all the time, although it's pretty long it's got a good performance and the quick button shortens it a little.

I have used the 30mins wash, at 30deg celcius and it did exactly as described above but the spin was at max speed (which was selected on the variable spin dial)

Not a babd washer for the price :)

Post# 513671 , Reply# 9   4/25/2011 at 16:23 (4,611 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
A class at 40

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This kind of cycle is just designed to last that long, in other washers too... it's nearly 3 hours too in my Hoover (could be even longer with some options) and there are a few other brands that feature an even longer standard A40 (up to 5 hours on some larger machines).

I would find it unacceptable if it was the only 40 degree cycle offered by the washer, so, provided that it can be ignored it's harmless really :-P

Admittedly though I have used it in a few occasions even at 30 degrees or on cold and it yielded really good results. I wouldn't use it for my everyday laundry though!

Post# 513673 , Reply# 10   4/25/2011 at 16:25 (4,611 days old) by nrones ()        
10minutes.. hope fast tumbles!

Deffinatley from all 30 minute washes, Candy"s rapid 30 (ex rapid32) beats them all! It does a 17minute wash (hence reaching 40/50) and 2 high wl rinses followed by 800rpm as short as on Synth"s cycle (5minutes). :D

However I think the worst 30m wash is on Indesit Company"s machine - 8minute wash (5mins SLOW tumbles + 3mins FAST) and then 2 high WL rinses with SLOW tumble action, and then 800 spin... and only 30 deg...

What are your experiences and oppineons? :D


Post# 513679 , Reply# 11   4/25/2011 at 16:44 (4,611 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Who ever programmes hotpoint Indesit washers needs to go back to school. First of all the slow pointless tumbling instead of just getting on with it. 15 Minute quick wash you would be better off hand washing. That stupid badly designed sports trainer wash. & i have saved the best for last those very silly hotpoint eco cold wash programmes. If i was to tell most of our customers that the 30 minute quick wash programme is done in cold water i could very easily loose a sale so what i tell them is to put it on fast wash @ 60deg programme & turn the temperature down to 40deg thats the only way of getting a decent quick wash in under 1 hour with a fast final spin.

Post# 513680 , Reply# 12   4/25/2011 at 16:56 (4,611 days old) by nrones ()        
I agree with that

On hotpoints fast washes are good only at 40,50,60 with decent wash rinses and spin. However that is only for UK non-Aqualtis range.. Here we have Italian Hotpoint-Ariston, and they are having only "mix 15 and mix 30" so that"s bad...

Post# 513683 , Reply# 13   4/25/2011 at 17:03 (4,611 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        

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I had a Hoover six W/D ( can't remember the model no ) it had the dark smoked outer door with a 32 min 50 deg wash, I used it a lot for small robust fabric loads, usually did an extra spin in the winter though when I couldn't hang things out.

Post# 513688 , Reply# 14   4/25/2011 at 17:50 (4,611 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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I Just hope they get rid of them cold wash eco programmes on the new hotpoint aquarius range. Quite like the look of the new aquarius not sure on the door handle hope it does not go brittle in time like the hotpoint future tall fridge & freezer handles.

Post# 513767 , Reply# 15   4/25/2011 at 21:49 (4,611 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Slow Tumbles?

Why do Indesit/Hotpoint actually do the slow tumbles? I could understand it on a wool cycle but when i first saw it on a cotton wash i thought the machine was knackered! Surely an unsuspecting owner must think the same to start with too?! However I do like their washes that distribute full of water, like on the wool wash, and would like it if other makes did that. On Zanussis the wool wash hardly moves, to the extent the items just bob on the top of the water. I usually end up using Synthetics & turning the spin down instead.

The Beko Mini 30 sounds v similar to Zanussi's 'Worn Once' program. Our Zanussi WDA 1055W does 10-12 mins wash at 30c, followed by 3 rinses & a spin at approx 800rpm. For what it is i think it's fine. We use it if there's only a couple of items to wash but we need them quickly, or to freshen stuff up. It still has 3 rinses which is good for people like me that itch if clothes arn't rinsed properly & the spin is ok considering the machines top speed is only 1000rpm. My only critisism is the short tumbles it does, but i guess this is so it caters for Delicates aswell. The standard 40c Cotton cycle takes 1hr 45mins (1hr 20min wash & 25 mins for 3 rinses & 1000rpm spin).

Our 2007 year Zanussi Essential has a Mini 30 program, which i should imagine is much the same as 'Worn Once' above. However we've never used it because the standard programming on the Essential has a good enough choice to make it unecessary - The standard Cottons cycle at 40c takes 1hr 45mins (wash, 3 rinses & 1400 spin). Selecting 'Extra Rinse' adds two rinses and takes the time to 2 hours, or selecting 'Super Quick' keeps the standard wash, 3 rinses & 1400 spin but cuts the total time to 1 hour by reducing the length of the wash and rinses, filling whilst tumbling instead of waiting for the water to fill before moving (thus shortening rinse length), and removing the balancing inbetween spin bursts & slowly ramping upto full speed instead of 'bursting', thus preventing damage to the machine in the event of an imbalance.

Tbh i find Zanussis approach far less of a compromise to many other makes of machine that either wash for a stupidly long 2-3 hours or only give something a 30min blast. That's partially why i remain fond of Zanussi, although i would be willing to buy a Beko on the basis that their programs seem pretty well thought out too - with the exception of some standard cotton cycles, which take too long.


Post# 513825 , Reply# 16   4/26/2011 at 05:18 (4,611 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        
Slow tumbles

Whilst I can't claim to have access to the rationale behind the use of slow tumbles in Indesit/Hotpoint cycles, I'd put money on it being a better clothes care function: use in the early stages of the cycle enables the machine to saturate the load gently, rather than bash dry items around at full speed creating extra friction.

If you look back to the earlier incarnations of energy/water efficient machines of the mid 1990s, such as the original Hotpoint Aquarius wash system, the idea was that the slow tumble facilitated load saturation before driving the water through the load at normal speed. That was the theory anyway - in practice, cycles started with normal tumbling to dissolve the detergent before dropping into gentle tumbles during heating.

Later on, Hotpoint brought out the New Aquarius Wash System in their early Ultima range: this used slow tumbles in the rinse cycle to remove more detergent with less water, the idea being that a slow tumble creates fewer suds making rinsing easier. The slower tumbles also meant the clothes snatched up less water as they moved, meaning the water level was less subject to fluctuations thereby triggering the top up fill less...hence lower water consumption. AEG used similar principles to minimise their machines' water consumption - tumble patterns were programmed not to whip up suds thereby facilitating rinsing in less water, the analogy being trying to rinse suds from a sink: the more forceful one is, the more water is required.

Things have moved on, of course, and detergents are rather more clean rinsing than they used to be, but I'm sure some of the principles have been retained in current programming.

Hope that sheds some light!


Post# 513836 , Reply# 17   4/26/2011 at 06:10 (4,611 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Inappropriate use of slow tumbles...

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Alex, thank you for shedding light over the slow tumble debate.

I feel that most of the bitterness about the slow tumbles in Hotpoint/Indesit machines is not due to the rational usage of these during any standard cycle, but to their inappropriate use and abuse even in situations where they prove utterly inappropriate, e.g. fast wash 30 where the machine uses extremely slow tumble action for 5 minutes and then it speeds up slightly for 3 further minutes: the rest of the cycle time is spent by 2 wasteful rinses and loads of faffing about! Whatever happened to try to save water, when these programmes try to drown your ‘freshen up’ few kilos of laundry!

I believe most modern machines envisage an initial phase carried out in such a fashion, and as for the rinses, these are just executed in different ways and they're all effective in their own right. E.g. a high water level rinse yields better results using slower (to a certain extent) or less movements but the same workaround does not apply to a low water level rinse. Having said that, when washing/rinsing something by hand, merely plunging it gently into water doesn't seem to do the trick, some semi-vigorous action is required to shift dirt or detergent: you might not cause suds by reducing the agitation but the detergent would still be trapped in the fibres.

I have also noticed that the non-slow tumble action on the defendant is still slower than most other machines, but it doesn't mean that it's inept to do the job… these machines' standard cycles are as good as the next machine! Well, at least I owe it that ;-)

Post# 513849 , Reply# 18   4/26/2011 at 07:27 (4,611 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Slow tumbling and/or quick washes

All the (more energy- and water-efficient) washers I've had in the past 8 years have employed slow tumbling at the beginning of the cycle in order to soak the clothes down; the AEG and Bosch machines just tumbled slowly backwards and forwards topping up as it goes - and the Beko which was in this flat would tumble slow, and interrupted tumbling to top up resuming again once it reached the level.  My current Miele will do slow tumbles backwards and forwards as usual, but when it adds water it will tumble the clothes even slower, and the slow tumbling will be continuous lasting as long as however long it takes to top up the water level.  It also uses slower tumbling in the rinse cycles, the theory being that a) it creates less suds, b) the load is saturated and drenched by water more both via the physical pool of water and the showering system from the paddles, and hence c) less water is needed for the rinse cycle - similar to the system Alex describes earlier.


The Quick wash on mine is one of the best 30 minute cycles I have used.  A 12 min wash at cold-40oC user selectable, spin bursts after the wash, 2 rinses with spin bursts in between in 10 minutes, and in 8 minutes drain, burst, and full 1600rpm spin.  Select water plus, you get a deeper wash and rinse level - ideal for cheating and putting more than half a load in on a Quick wash - as well as an extra rinse, giving a 37 minute Quick wash - only brand I can think of with a similar quick wash are the Asko machines which offer huge flexibility when it comes to cycle times (I think I'm right in thinking it will let you choose a temp up to 95 even on the fast cycles).  A stark contrast to the Refresh cycle on the AEG - 20 minutes advertised.  The Refresh cycle filled to delicates level, heated to 30, drains and rinses twice without spinning, and a run up to 1200 at the end maintaining the speed for 10 seconds or so.  Two major flaws which made the cycle not so quick - first, because of the mass of water it just could not heat up quick enough and therefore the timer would often stick on 12 minutes for ages before it got to temperature, and because of the very short spin you had to run a seperate 12 minute spin cycle afterwards - by the time you'd gone through this process, you could have just used the Time Saver button which would give a 40*C standard cottons wash with interim rinses and a full spin in 55 minutes and only be 15 minutes behind what it would have taken you to run a similar load on Refresh by the time you had spun the load again


I often found myself using the Intensive 40 and Intensive 60 cycle on the Beko that was in this flat when we moved in, simply because they were more generous with water and did an extra rinse - and they did perform extremely well although you had to wait two and a half hours.  You really could not fit a standard 5kg load (that would fit in any other 5kg machine) in on the standard 40/60 cycle if you didn't want dry patches in the load.  If the pressure sensor at least on the model we had (WM5120) was slightly more forgiving, the cycling would have made it quite a good machine indeed - everything else I couldn't fault about it, decent rinse & spin patterns, just the water levels that let it down.



Post# 513862 , Reply# 19   4/26/2011 at 08:23 (4,611 days old) by nrones ()        
slow tumbles slower

Jon.. we know all machines have slow tumbles at the beginning, but the Indesit tumbles are far slower tumbles (you can confirm that in YouTube vids), than slow tumbles on other machines.

For the slow rinse tumbles -- horrible if you ask me... Clothes are moved less, however in time I had my Aqualtis I didn"t actually noticed it took less water!


Post# 513957 , Reply# 20   4/26/2011 at 14:25 (4,610 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Indesit tumbles.

If you take a look at the indesit paddles there are the holes in the top and also grooves in the sides at the tops, the slow tumbles litterally drag water across the load soaking it very well. it doesn't take the load very long to be saturated at all. my aeg would do it to. fill to the rim of the drum and do long slow tumbles for a few minutes. I am actually a fan of these tumbles. The same is applied to there 2 stage rinsing which i've found effective.I'm even considering replacing my soon to be knackered zanussi essential with one as the bearings are going.

I actually don't like how my zanussi will static fill without tumbling. it gets on my nerves, it does fast tumbles whips up a load of foam and ends up refilling again. I'm certain they only do this do try and keep water usage and time to a minimum as my zanussi completes a standard cotton 40 in 1hr 20mins.


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