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1957 Frigidaire set in Charcoal! |
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Post# 513043   4/22/2011 at 11:15 (4,723 days old) by captainmoody ()   |   | |
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Post# 513045 , Reply# 1   4/22/2011 at 11:19 (4,723 days old) by captainmoody ()   |   | |
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Ugh.. Anyway, Check Gary's estate sales in Saint Clair Shores Michigan for the W/D Set. The sale starts the 28th! |
Post# 513049 , Reply# 2   4/22/2011 at 11:41 (4,723 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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OMG! Revere Ware, Presto Cooker, Old Blender in shot 96. How did they keep the washer going all of these years? It might be connected to a fountain of youth. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Tomturbomatic's LINK |
Post# 513052 , Reply# 3   4/22/2011 at 11:56 (4,723 days old) by captainmoody ()   |   | |
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I frequently check the sales ahead of time for Vintage TV's and 1-18's, but this was unreal! I thought someone on here might be looking for a set this rare. They need to be saved! |
Post# 513058 , Reply# 4   4/22/2011 at 12:32 (4,723 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 513060 , Reply# 5   4/22/2011 at 12:36 (4,723 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 513062 , Reply# 6   4/22/2011 at 12:37 (4,723 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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I hate it when they don't let you in the kitchen. You can see a chrome Sunbeam model J on it's side in the blender table shot. |
Post# 513068 , Reply# 7   4/22/2011 at 13:05 (4,723 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 513085 , Reply# 8   4/22/2011 at 15:47 (4,723 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Three Control Tower washers the other day and a dryer, and today a Custom Imperial SET in BLACK for Good Friday. Amazing.
I hope and pray a member has the time and wherewithal to collect them. What an unbelievable treat!
Captain, how far away are you from them, and who else is close. This set was made for Automatic Washer.
Thank you, Thomas |
Post# 513093 , Reply# 9   4/22/2011 at 16:21 (4,723 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Well, the secret is out! This has been bounced from Facebook around in emails for nearly a week now. There certainly will be a few interested in this set!
Charcoal was introduced late in the 1957 line by Frigidaire and carried as a stock color until 1959'ish, then available by special order only. Like the control tower controls, the color was likely far ahead of it's time for wide acceptance by designers and the average homemaker. Fingerprints, dust, and smudges would have driven many crazy although those objections seem to have been resolved with the stainless steel fad in recent years. |
Post# 513094 , Reply# 10   4/22/2011 at 16:25 (4,723 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Is there vacuum, you know it would be GOOD!!! |
Post# 513095 , Reply# 11   4/22/2011 at 16:34 (4,723 days old) by washernoob ()   |   | |
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You dont see it Hans? Of all the people. :P :D Its a Lux XXX its in the bottom corner of one of the pictures. |
Post# 513096 , Reply# 12   4/22/2011 at 16:35 (4,723 days old) by washernoob ()   |   | |
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Post# 513097 , Reply# 13   4/22/2011 at 17:13 (4,723 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie )   |   | |
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Post# 513108 , Reply# 15   4/22/2011 at 18:22 (4,723 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 513130 , Reply# 16   4/22/2011 at 20:37 (4,723 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham))   |   | |
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Post# 513150 , Reply# 17   4/22/2011 at 22:55 (4,723 days old) by LEBRON (Minnesota)   |   | |
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Post# 513199 , Reply# 20   4/23/2011 at 09:52 (4,722 days old) by takacedon (Salt Lake City)   |   | |
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Tom, I like the way you view estate sales. I love going to them, but when the family leaves photographs up on the walls and is selling them, that's when it gets to me. |
Post# 513222 , Reply# 21   4/23/2011 at 11:02 (4,722 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Trevor, you make a good point. That is kinda uncaring. |
Post# 513247 , Reply# 22   4/23/2011 at 13:41 (4,722 days old) by Crevicetool (Snellville Ga.)   |   | |
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Post# 513248 , Reply# 23   4/23/2011 at 13:48 (4,722 days old) by washernoob ()   |   | |
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Lol. You are right! It looks kinda like a Lux. Must be the grey and red. Immediately the xxx popped into my head. |
Post# 513256 , Reply# 24   4/23/2011 at 15:03 (4,722 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 513271 , Reply# 25   4/23/2011 at 16:17 (4,722 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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AKA apex, but look at the wand and rug tool...THERE IS AN AIRWAY SOMEWHERE!!! |
Post# 513426 , Reply# 27   4/24/2011 at 15:36 (4,721 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 513485 , Reply# 28   4/24/2011 at 20:16 (4,721 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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I have to disagree with you Corey. While it is a very rare set, there is no way that set is worth $850. The most the seller should be asking is no more than $400. The amount of time & the scarcity of parts this set will require even if the machines are used on an extremely limited basis is huge. I just wish the best to whomever gets them. GOOD LUCK! |
Post# 513582 , Reply# 29   4/25/2011 at 11:09 (4,720 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 513590 , Reply# 30   4/25/2011 at 11:42 (4,720 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 513593 , Reply# 31   4/25/2011 at 12:17 (4,720 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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My dear friends, the Kaceys, had the '58 Custom Imperial pair in this exact color,charcoal gray and the matching Imperial refrigerator with the bottom freezer and step pedal.Their dishwasher was a 1957 KitchenAid Superba in stainless steel and a Suburban gas cooktop with the matching 24" wide wall oven.Their flooring in the kitchen was all black linoleum with tiny sparkles in it and the walls had stainless steel tiles on them.They were "the Jonses" of our street and had lots of firsts including a built in pool, garage,Lincoln Continental,microwave oven (Montgomery Ward made by Tappan),and a European ten speed racing bike.Nobody else had any of those "luxuries" yet but,I got my first ten speed bike (Iverson,piece of shit)that year(1970)and wound up getting their washer and refrigerator when they replaced them with newer models. Frigidaire had just been dropped by GM and Ms Kacey insisted on a Maytag.She first replaced the washer with a new Maytag and the refrigerator with a sxs Amana.Both in almond.Nowhere near as beautiful as the previous set.
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Post# 513595 , Reply# 32   4/25/2011 at 12:40 (4,720 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 513605 , Reply# 33   4/25/2011 at 13:09 (4,720 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 513623 , Reply# 34   4/25/2011 at 14:20 (4,720 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Cadman, while stunning, the gas was evidently not vented out well enough.You could always smell the pilot lights were on and the houses there were really small compared to the ones in the same neighborhood that had basements and were built with brick outer walls instead of those old style shingles.We had our home remodeled with a new bedroom added on ( I came unannounced ) and aluminum siding put on over top of the old shingles that were made using asbestos!!!!!!!There was no basement and our attic was nothing but the beams over our ceilings with Fiberglass insulation in between them. When you went into the attic, you had to keep yourself from stepping in between the beams because,if you did, there was a pretty good chance you'd fall straight down through the ceiling.My nephew, Richard now has that house and has completely redesigned and remodeled it.
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Post# 513624 , Reply# 35   4/25/2011 at 14:22 (4,720 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Post# 513676 , Reply# 36   4/25/2011 at 16:31 (4,720 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 513682 , Reply# 37   4/25/2011 at 17:02 (4,720 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 513690 , Reply# 39   4/25/2011 at 18:10 (4,720 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Every single time someone posts a rare and or interesting auction/sale here in the group, what was formerly considered little better than salvage by the seller or sellers, now is worth and fetches big money.
Bet the minute the link was posted the seller was bombarded with messages and offers. In the end it gets a whole lot of persons hopes up and often leaves nothing but bad feelings. |
Post# 513691 , Reply# 40   4/25/2011 at 18:14 (4,720 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Nice to be rich! |
Post# 513727 , Reply# 42   4/25/2011 at 20:45 (4,720 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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The same thing happened a few months ago when I posted the Turquoise Maytag Set.
Revvin Kevin and Bajaespama almost went into a headlock (IN my own Opinion as I was involved sort of). I don't even know what the end result was, but I know I'd never want to lose a friendship or a relationship with anyone in the club. They're Beautiful. ( the Charcoal Set) And if someone has the money to over bid what anyone wants, so be it. It's amazing what can happen over these things. It's ashame that bidders can't figure it out. I'm looking to part with about 3-4 of my machines. If they go to members , fine. If they don't, well I hope whom ever buys them gets great enjoyment out of them. The fear they will be scrapped, I can't worry about anymore. |
Post# 513743 , Reply# 43   4/25/2011 at 21:16 (4,720 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Thing is this was *NOT* an auction, but an estate sale. If the link handn't been group members wouldn't have started "dreaming". Cannot say the end result would have been different as IIRC upthread it is mentioned another vintage appliance group got wind of the pair as well, and there was interest.
Personally I like to roll light and undercover. Why would anyone tell god and the world about something they want, that is what I say. As for the turquoise Maytag set, I can top that. *LOL* Years ago now when I was just wee junior member of the group I posted a link to a MIB pink Maytag intage W&D set. IIRC the fleaBay sale ended at over one thousand dollars, bid up very heavy. There were lots of bad feelings when that was over and done with as well. Estate sales are famous for changing prices and or selling things from under someone if the seller gets wind of potential "action". Remember a group member telling a story of his adventure to an estate sale where the woman running the show was a real nut case. Having spied some vintage appliances the member moved to take a closer look, and was quickly stopped and told off. "Those are spoken for" she said. So on the guy went exploring and came upon some vintage laundry products, only to feel the rough side of that woman's tounge again. "I Told You Those Were Spoken For".... In the end our brave member was asked to leave because he was ticking the lady off. *LOL* Oh well, these things go as they will one way or another. However once I saw the appliances pictured in the OP link, just knew there was no way that washer and dryer would go for cheap, or even $850. All the information anyone looking to do a deal with the seller was there. Hmmm, wonder if that house is abandoned? How nosey are the neighbors? I mean if say a group of "moving people" where there to shift a few things (besides the W&D might as well make a sweep of the place, you never know..), would anyone notice? *LOL* I'm just sayin....... |
Post# 513877 , Reply# 44   4/26/2011 at 09:25 (4,719 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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I've seen it happen here and other places...
The way I see it, it isn't worth arguing over here, because usually people who do have the $$$ to drop on things like this also want a place to showcase them. It's part of the thrill. There is no fun in having the rarest of rare or special non heard-of items if you don't have an audience to present them to.
I am in no way interested in these machines, as neat as I think they are. There's something about Frigidaire's that I think are very neat, but in my area, apparently there are very active GM lover(s) because in the past 4 years I've been out-done 5 times for various Rollermatics and a Unimatic. It's interesting to see them show up here. It creates hard feelings, what you want to believe aside, it does. Some people however take it worse than others. It perturbs me when this happens, but it usually does not stick. After 3 times in a row to 1 person it gets grossly irritating however. It's perfectly legal and the buyer is perfectly in their right to do it, but that doesn't mean people still don't get mad about it. Some people are also either more tenacious about pursuing things or have a LOT of time of their hands. I myself am at a horrid disadvantage in this area because I stay very busy with work. I've seen people jump on things within minutes and the dollars start to fly. People selling these machines usually only want money and have no moral obligation to sell something to you for an agreed on $100 when they start getting calls offering $500 for it. I've dealt with this a few times and it's sad. I don't have a disposable income for appliances, I don't do it for a living, I don't have time to scour every classified site daily... Does it mean that I don't still love old appliances? No. It just means that I don't have as much time and money as others do and for that I usually get the short end of the stick. I'm not upset, but just saying what it is. People do get upset about these things, and I definitely feel like I've been wronged a few times. I still keep trying, but whoever said money didn't make one's life easier needs to be slapped with a stack of bills!
Just be mindful of fellows members... Is it really worth it over a washing machine?
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Post# 514055 , Reply# 45   4/26/2011 at 21:09 (4,719 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 514115 , Reply# 46   4/27/2011 at 07:41 (4,718 days old) by 112561 (River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 514124 , Reply# 47   4/27/2011 at 08:50 (4,718 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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But Tim, you have youth on your side and might still wind up with some of these items when the wrinkle guard tumbles and buzzes for the last time at the end of someone's long permanent press cycle. |
Post# 514138 , Reply# 48   4/27/2011 at 09:49 (4,718 days old) by wireman (Lansing, MI)   |   | |
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Wow, those are SO cool; probably my favorite GM laundry pair and in a color I've never seen anywhere... Not terribly far from me, but no money for them. It is shame that the price escalates SO quickly; keeps them out of the hands of some who could restore and cherish them. Do hope they go to somebody here who will enjoy them. Could turn into an interesting saga: "As the Tub Spins".
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Post# 514139 , Reply# 49   4/27/2011 at 09:50 (4,718 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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With youth comes frustration and impatience, I have to admit that Tom. Sometimes I get so worked up about "finds" that it really gets me going for a while. I'm working on it, and I've found some neat stuff for sure. I just don't have the patience and finesse yet needed for some of the real gold mines. :)
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Post# 514151 , Reply# 50   4/27/2011 at 12:06 (4,718 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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I'm going to be out of town, otherwise I would swing by this sale...it's just a few minutes from where I live and work. As cool as the washer/dryer set is, I'd be more interested in the old Nesco roaster still in the box! It would be fun to see the machines in person, but there's always another estate sale the next weekend.
And I have to agree with Tom, sometimes these estate sales can be real downers. A person's life scattered about with price tags on everything...it is a reminder that you can't take anything with you. I can only imagine the estate sale they're gonna have when I check out...I feel sorry for the poor suckers who have to deal with it all! On the upside, if some of these things end up in the hands of people who really love them, cherish them and keep them, then the original owner sort of lives on in a sense, as a part of their life in now folded into a life of someone else. |
Post# 514185 , Reply# 51   4/27/2011 at 14:23 (4,718 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 514216 , Reply# 52   4/27/2011 at 18:00 (4,718 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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I wouldn't lose any sleep over them. If there's a standing bid of $2000.00, so be it. The family is happy, the buyer is happy, everything works out. The only ones upset are those who thought they might buy them for $200.00 or so.
As for old machines, when I get them, I know what a few members are looking for, and I inform them. If they want them, then they get them. They're happy, I'm happy, and no hard feelings. That way I don't deal with dreamers, or "well, let me see....", or "if it was closer....",yada,yada. |
Post# 514230 , Reply# 53   4/27/2011 at 19:11 (4,718 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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As many appliances and vehicles as I have sold, traded, bought, and walked away from I have learned that the depths of someones pockets and the perceived value of items vary widely. If you want to have 2 grand or any amount of money to blow on nonessential items than rework your budget in order to have that money when something you really want pops up. Otherwise, if you didn't have it to begin with, you didn't loose it in the end.
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Post# 514347 , Reply# 54   4/28/2011 at 08:35 (4,717 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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So whoooooo bought the W/D set????
There was a "SOLD! DO NOT TOUCH!" sign on the appliances... Someone was passing out "numbers", I guess needed to bid on items? But i didn't need, I could just go in and look and wondered if anyone else of you in the MI-area showed up there 'round 9AM like I did... -- Dave |
Post# 514378 , Reply# 55   4/28/2011 at 11:55 (4,717 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 514385 , Reply# 56   4/28/2011 at 12:19 (4,717 days old) by kenmore81 ()   |   | |
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So drooling over theese. |
Post# 514388 , Reply# 57   4/28/2011 at 12:30 (4,717 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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If you're gonna play with the big dogs, you better have the balls to do so. No use flapping around and breathlessly "ohmigod" all over the place and then whine when the price skyrockets. It's a hard lesson to learn. Congrats to whoever got them, and I hope it is to a loving, caring home who will share!
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Post# 514398 , Reply# 58   4/28/2011 at 12:55 (4,717 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 514399 , Reply# 59   4/28/2011 at 12:56 (4,717 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Not sure what "big dogs" anyone talking about running with. Seller originally stated the set was priced at $850, then a few days later the amount was 2k.
If I see something in a shop with a price tag that says one thing, however upon another person expressing interest the price is increased that is not only immoral but illegal in many areas. Once again sellers of what was one step away from being chucked to the curb for salvage made themselves a nice sum by pitting members of this group against each other. This is one of the reason I rarely bother anymore. If the "big dogs" have so much lolly and savoir faire, let them sniff out deals on their own. |
Post# 514414 , Reply# 60   4/28/2011 at 13:57 (4,717 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 514564 , Reply# 63   4/29/2011 at 08:40 (4,716 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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"The only ones upset are those who thought they might buy them for $200.00 or so."
Maybe not $200 or so on this set per say, but it is nice to secure something for a reasonable rate. I think the crap really hits the fan when you find something (anything) that you really want, and you and seller agree on the price (whether it be $20 or $500) and then someone else gets wind of the item and starts throwing money at the seller and he backs out of the deal. It then becomes you vs. Mr. Moneybags. The point is not really the dollar amount as everything is worth something different to everyone, but how people don't stand up to the deal they made with you. It may be illegal or whatever, but really, whose going to stop it? THAT ticks me off, nothing more. Someone not holding their end of a deal ignites me like nothing else. So yes, if I found a set like this and manage to secure a $200 price from the seller and someone with say $2000 showed up and started trying to outbid a "sold" item, then I would be upset, but not as much about the money because there's always someone with more money than you. Part of finding things is negotiating a price that you can live with and the seller thinks is reasonable. In some sides of the coin, this set is worth no more than $200, and on the other side it is a coveted machine. How much is paid for the set is no indication of how much they will be loved or restored, money is only the trump card that people try to use to get what they want. Also just because we are collectors of appliances in no way means that we are entitled to them over anyone else. Think of all of the old cars that many would consider classics nowadays that are sold for basic transportation or scrap whereas a collector would be taking it to a show in a few years after a restoration. Doesn't "feel" right, but it happens all the time entitlement aside.
The term "Big-dogs" did make me chuckle a bit, I don't know why but I just imagined a scene from Resorvior Dogs where the group is walking down the alley, they're coming for that set, you better watch out!
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Post# 514569 , Reply# 64   4/29/2011 at 09:26 (4,716 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)   |   | |
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Tim, I tend to agree with some of your points. In my store, I sometimes have people see a SOLD sticker on an appliance and they will ask if they can buy the item anyway. I always say no, someone else has already purchased it. Then they'll offer more money & say they'll take it along today. Again, I'll refuse. Some folks are astonished that I won't take more money. I usually then say, "what if YOU had this on hold and someone else came in and took it out from under YOU? How would you feel?" Some people get this, others will walk away in disbelief that I wouldn't sell them said sold item. I'd be po'ed if that happened to me & I damn well wouldn't do that to someone else.
As far as the set in question, if I was interested in this set, I wouldn't have posted info on this site. That is asking to lose the set. It always amazes me how some folks (and not just here, but other collector sites as well, but I see it here more often) who are not going to even attempt to purchase what's for sale will contact the seller and gush and gush about the item and supposed rarity, how it's really collectible, etc and now the seller thinks they have a pile of gold. That really screws the person who wanted to buy said item at a reasonable price. Value is extremely subjective. An item is really only worth what someone is willing to pay for it TODAY. Tomorrow it could be worth a lot less (or more if the right person happens to appear).
I am mostly a bottom feeder. I'll sometimes try to pony up decent bucks if it something I truly want or is truly extremely rare. Believe me, I do without some things to try to further the collection. $2000 for this set? Not me. $850? Again, not me. BUT THAT'S ME. Again, value is subjective. |
Post# 514580 , Reply# 66   4/29/2011 at 09:56 (4,716 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)   |   | |
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I loosely use this set as an example, but it's more the larger point of seller honesty. I'm not pining for this set at all, I knew it would be out of my resources from the get-go with as many bigger collectors there are here. Just so people know, I'm not whining because I didn't get the set, I didn't want it, I didn't pursue it. I just see this happen all the time anymore, and I've had it happen to me and frankly, it sucks. I don't even think I started this topic of conversation, but I certainly have something to contribute.
Todd, I am with you with for the mostly being a bottom-feeder in terms of price. There have been a few instances where I would gladly give all of my money that I had for something, luckily I haven't because I'm impulsive. I would never try to knock someone off of something by offering more than someone else paid for it. I think people that do this should have it done to them a few times to see how it feels. In terms of people contacting the seller with no intent to purchase I'm still unsure. I don't know if people do that thinking that they are merely informing the seller of what they have or if it's their way of feeling like they've asserted their knowledge (kind of like a power trip). I do agree that in either case it can drive up the price when the seller gets big-headed about it.
Example: I called about a pink Westinghouse 25 set here in Kentucky a few months ago. I made my offer 1st and then the calls started coming in about them. My considered offer was quickly abandoned for other offers. He called me back and told me that he had several other inquiries and that we would need more money for the machines. I told him my offer stood, but that was all that I could afford to spend. I spoke with some friends here about it and I almost upped my price, but in the end I didn't. A friend of mine was pursuing them after I was out of the market and had went as far as to arrange a pickup about the time that the machines hit the club. The seller got greedy again and I don't think my friend was able to arrange pickup. A few weeks after that, when we were both no longer interested, I received an e-mail from the original seller asking if I would still be interested. I made him a lower offer than previous and did not hear back. I believe he still has them. He didn't pay anything for them, they were in his basement when he bought the house. The situation has been very successful for him in the screwing people business . The person that was going to buy them was coming in from out of state and had made plans in advance, and the seller had no regard for that at all. The funny part is he would have come out ahead by selling them to even a low bidder, he had nothing invested.
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Post# 514681 , Reply# 67   4/29/2011 at 22:24 (4,716 days old) by defoedude (Ferguson, MO)   |   | |
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Post# 514689 , Reply# 68   4/29/2011 at 23:11 (4,716 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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There are two sides to this. I'm not taking either side simply because I've been on both.
Ethically speaking I have to agree with Tim. Being raised in the south with old fashioned values I was taught that you are only as good as your word. Many deals were sealed for decades by a simple hand shake and a mans word. Several of my cars were bought that way. I remember I went into the dealer and told the owner I wanted this car but wouldn't have the money for 2 weeks. He handed me the keys, a license plate, shook my hand and said I'll see you in 2 weeks. I was back a week and a half later with the money. Sure if I didn't pay for it or bring the car back it would have been grand theft, but I didn't sign anything. It was my word that he took. I bought a few more vehicles from him the same way. When I bought my house in Ga that deal was settled over a cup of coffee and a hand shake even though the builder knew I wouldn't have the money for another 4 months. He also made several thousand dollars worth of additions and modifications to the house for me. He had other offers, one that was for several thousand more than what I was willing to pay but he declined the offer because he had a deal, on a hand shake and my word. Now if you want to go to the Contractual Business Law side of things.... In both examples neither the seller or the buyer were obligated to complete the deal. The reason for this is because there was no "consideration" or show of "Good Faith" for the other party. Meaning there was no deposit, no exchange of money and no contract signed. Technically you do not have to sign a contract BUT you must make a "consideration" or show "Good Faith" to the other party in order to have a legally binding contract and you better have a paper trail; money order, cashiers check. The amount of that deposit does not matter, it can be one dollar or one thousand. Even then you are still able to back out of the deal but you may not get your deposit back in it's entirety. Legally a seller is entitled to keep a percentage of a deposit for the "hardship" of the canceled contract unless it is stipulated that no refund is given if canceled. Also if the item in question has gone down in value between the time you entered into the contract and the time it was canceled the seller could win a claim against you for the difference in value. That usually doesn't happen unless you are dealing with big ticket items or something odd. Of course laws very from location to location but this is basic business law. Your mileage may vary. If there is a loss of oxygen in the cabin, oxygen masks will drop down in front of you. So depending on your moral system the seller of the Friggin pair (oops I mean Frigidaire pair) could have upheld the original deal. Contractually he was not obligated to do so. Had he upheld the original deal who is to say the buyer would have fulfilled his end of the deal? Nothing really except someone's word. Even if a deposit was made there is no guarantee the sale would have been completed. It would however make the seller a little more at ease knowing that the buyer was serious. From personal experience with members of this club, I think a deposit should be required from anyone selling anything. I can't count the number of times we have held something because someone had professed their undieing love and need for something only to hear one excuse after another as to why they can't follow through with the deal. So now we're stuck with a machine that we don't want, taking up space we don't have and turning away other offers because someone said they would buy it. And why do we keep doing it.....because I have to look at myself in the mirror and I better like what I see looking back. However I am getting tired of hearing about the moon not being in the proper alignment, the 28th cousin who has a hang nail on their 12th toe or the 4 feet of snow on the ground in Florida in the middle of summer. Be serious people, if you want something than put your money where your mouth is. OK....I'm done ranting! |
Post# 514691 , Reply# 69   4/29/2011 at 23:25 (4,716 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)   |   | |
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I have no claim in these machines. I'm simply showing you that there are two sides to everything. You have to decide where you stand.
Another example is from my first job. I asked my boss for an advance on my pay and he told me no. He said that in order for me to get paid, I have to work. That is the contract, that is how a business operates. However, if you want a loan from me personally, I'll give you one. So me being the smart ass that I am, I asked for twice the original amount and he gave it to me out of his pocket. |
Post# 514721 , Reply# 70   4/30/2011 at 07:11 (4,715 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Thank you Jason for your very good legal analysis of contracts, this is one of the many reasons why it is so good to be in buniness together with you.
I am not sure what all the fuss about this washer and dryer is about. When I first saw them I was very excited as this pair is probably one of the most rare and valuable pairs that I could imagine. An agent-friend contacted the seller and was told he would like to get $850.00 for the pair, we made no offer to buy. After we though about it I had him re-contact the seller and the seller said he had an offer of $2000.00. I don't see where anything went wrong and $2000 is far closer to what these machines are worth than $850. I hope that someone from the club gets them, as it turns out I may end up with a Charcoal pair anyway. |
Post# 514757 , Reply# 71   4/30/2011 at 10:18 (4,715 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 514783 , Reply# 72   4/30/2011 at 13:06 (4,715 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Wow John, that is great news, please keep us posted!! Terry |
Post# 514876 , Reply# 73   5/1/2011 at 07:22 (4,714 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 514989 , Reply# 74   5/1/2011 at 19:00 (4,714 days old) by Sudslock1 (St Louis)   |   | |
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Someone bought them before the sale so I guess someone really did want them that badly. Well I hope whoever got them enjoys them. |
Post# 515092 , Reply# 76   5/2/2011 at 01:43 (4,714 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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No, I didn't even bother trying for this set. It's too far away and I knew that there are others who would have the ways and means of going for it. Last thing I got was the Hamilton dryer at a bargain basement price because no one went for it. That is my kind of deal! I am a member of this "mile high club" ($1K+ for a machine) four times over in the hayday. Those days are done for me. Besides, this was an estate sale, not an auction. When there are no rules, anything can happen (and obviously, it did). Caveat emptor...
If I am lucky, my crap dryers will be replaced this week! I found a great financing company with which to work. But I am getting Dexter dryers. So phase one is beginning! Besides, if I made the big bucks, would I suffer those dryers all this time? No, I do not make big bucks. I make enough bucks. The unrecovering economy and the new GA immigration law is seeing to it that my dream of being a laundry tycoon is on hold. |
Post# 515190 , Reply# 78   5/2/2011 at 11:50 (4,713 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 515199 , Reply# 79   5/2/2011 at 12:20 (4,713 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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painting could never compare. Oh sure for looks but in no way for durability.
My '57 machine that Robert saved for me was outside on the farm for 25 years, at the very least, and since it is all porcelain it was an easy cabinet restore as you can see: And when he and I went to dig it out, it was 2 feet in the mud so that whole bottom was in wet mud for who knows how long. Anyway it was almost a 2 year restore on the guts of the thing and there are still parts it needs but it stands as a benchmark the way it is so I wouldn't consider painting that cabinet. |
Post# 515222 , Reply# 80   5/2/2011 at 13:54 (4,713 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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You guys are correct about painting porcelain. It is not as easy as one might think. I have done it a couple times, however all the porcelain has to be media blasted off first.(not cheap to have done either) I would never do it to a set that was in good condition, because paint is NOT as tough as porcelain. However with the green Kenmore pictured, and the turquoise Rollermatics, the porcelain was shot. Battery acid ruined the top of the Kenmore, and hard use and rust had ruined the lower cabinet on the Rollermatic. I have not had any problems with the paint on either of these machines, however I am very careful with all my machines anyway. That being said, had the porcelain been in good condition, these machines would have not had colour changes.
I would rather have a nice set in the original white porcelain, then paint in any colour. However, when you have a lemon anyway, you may as well make your lemonaid in your favourite flavour. Anyone know who got the charcoal set yet??? |
Post# 515234 , Reply# 81   5/2/2011 at 15:00 (4,713 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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How nice to see you again. Would you show us your pink & green Tower Frigidaires if you can? Thanks.
The Rollermatics are stunning. Pete & Paul will be shouting for joy seeing these again.
Last I heard neither Robert nor John knew who got the Charcoals. The grapevine is dry.
JOHN COMBO~~would you tell everyone the story about the next set of Charcoals? |
Post# 515266 , Reply# 82   5/2/2011 at 17:03 (4,713 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 515273 , Reply# 83   5/2/2011 at 18:10 (4,713 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I painted over my 1966 porcelain copper-tone GE combo that is in my kitchen over 24 years ago to make them black with two part marine epoxy and you would swear they are black porcelain. The repaint job has held up perfectly with no special care. I know that nothing beats a factory porcelain finish but you have to remember that I am now married to a auto body painting expert. So you never know when something may show up in charcoal. I am thinking of having my outdoor kitchen done in Frigidares teracotta color. |
Post# 515285 , Reply# 85   5/2/2011 at 18:54 (4,713 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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Well, I've got a feeling we'll see a set in Charcoal Black from Combo52, as he's got more than one trick up his sleeve! |
Post# 515316 , Reply# 86   5/2/2011 at 21:16 (4,713 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 515319 , Reply# 87   5/2/2011 at 21:44 (4,713 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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And, "we made no offer to buy." See Post #70. I spoke to John last week at length about this, and he told me he had a really nice identical pair in white, and that Smitty might paint them charcoal. But I wouldn't presume to tell the story without asking him, since he is a good friend. In fact, I was hoping he'd clarify lest someone misread thinking he did indeed have a hand in the now infamous Charcoals.
Appreciate your good natured challenge to my reading skills; it made me smile. Time to come out of the closet. I'd love to have a laundromat, but you should know what I recently retired from: 36 years as an English teacher. About the only thing I do really well is...... READ> |
Post# 515321 , Reply# 88   5/2/2011 at 21:49 (4,713 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 515324 , Reply# 89   5/2/2011 at 21:58 (4,713 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 515325 , Reply# 90   5/2/2011 at 21:59 (4,713 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Here you go Mike. I finally replaced my 70 year old furnace last month, so I will have room to put these side by side. The washer had a bearing fail last Fall, so it is now out in the garage. It should be a Summer project to get it up and running again, so I can finally displace these as they should be.
The dryer came from the Aberdeen farm. Robert spent many hours on the dryer restoration years ago. |
Post# 515331 , Reply# 91   5/2/2011 at 22:30 (4,713 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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THEY'RE GORGEOUS. You know what, Rick, when I thought about asking you the other day, in my mind I called them your towers in Easter egg colors, and today you call them the "Easta Special." Love it when that stuff happens. I hope they last as long as your furnace--70 Years. Thanks. Be dreamin' tonight about a set in sunset shades of red and orange. Hey, Just thought of a cool second career, painting Tower sets in brilliant color combos, tangerine and lemon..... |
Post# 515339 , Reply# 92   5/2/2011 at 23:19 (4,713 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()   |   | |
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PeterH770: your mat looks very good! I thought you had Wasco Gen 6 machines. Maybe you could take one ore two of those dryers out to a cornfield and "officespace" them. |
Post# 515417 , Reply# 93   5/3/2011 at 11:03 (4,712 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 515489 , Reply# 94   5/3/2011 at 18:34 (4,712 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 515533 , Reply# 95   5/3/2011 at 22:03 (4,712 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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John, I didn't expect you to "sing" so early in the interrogation. I was thinking that the Kelvinator went into the Kenmore so easily it wouldn't take nearly as much effort to photoshop a Gray Tower Set. |
Post# 516940 , Reply# 96   5/10/2011 at 21:33 (4,705 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 516952 , Reply# 97   5/10/2011 at 22:16 (4,705 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Hi Jon! Yes, the washer came via Greg, from Lee Maxwell. The washer has a bad bearing, and is out in the garage right now. Be a project for this summer, or fall.
The old gravity furnace just used too much gas. There was not a thing wrong with it otherwise. (took up too much room too) I'll post before and after pics sometime in Super. I have more room in the basement now, so look out! Does anyone know who got the charcoal set yet??? I would sure hope that someone will share pics with us.... Thanks for the kind words Kenny! You know you are always welcome here anytime. |
Post# 516993 , Reply# 98   5/11/2011 at 06:51 (4,705 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 517023 , Reply# 99   5/11/2011 at 10:04 (4,704 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 520977 , Reply# 100   5/28/2011 at 07:48 (4,687 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 520998 , Reply# 101   5/28/2011 at 09:18 (4,687 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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