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Post# 514440   4/28/2011 at 16:40 (4,745 days old) by kic ()        

Am so excited I could SCREAM!!!
Attached is a pic of my soon to be (in long distance transit as I type this) 3 belt Fuchsware 5.5 kg Multispeed washer. It has been in use up until recently, the elderly lady ( bless her heart) whom it belonged to has since required frail care.

 

This picture was taken with the machine as it was, still hooked up in her flat and as I believe very well maintained by its meticulous owner.   

More to follow soon ...
In the meantime, any info on this type of machine would be fantastic and as always greatly appreciated esp since this is my long time dream machine. 




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Post# 514448 , Reply# 1   4/28/2011 at 17:35 (4,745 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        
I am no expert...

As I am from the other side of the pond and have very little knowledge of "foreign machines" but this appears to be some sort of Westinghouse affair?

James.


Post# 514514 , Reply# 2   4/29/2011 at 02:46 (4,745 days old) by kic ()        
James

I believe it is indeed Wink


Post# 514516 , Reply# 3   4/29/2011 at 03:09 (4,745 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Nice!
Do you know the spin speed on her?


Post# 514517 , Reply# 4   4/29/2011 at 04:29 (4,745 days old) by kic ()        
spin speed unknown

Will be sure to post as many details as possible soon as she arrives.

 

But until then, I find it helps to just breath... simply a matter of containing oneself. Four more day to go and counting !


Post# 514522 , Reply# 5   4/29/2011 at 05:35 (4,745 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Great machine Louis!

We had English Electric versions of this machine in the 1960s - think ours was model 4027 or possibly 4032.

Will post a picture of it this eveing, with a bit of luck computers permitting (am typing this message at work!).

Cant wait to see the vids!

Fingers crossed its acquisition and trip all go to plan.

Paul


Post# 514524 , Reply# 6   4/29/2011 at 06:32 (4,745 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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WOW how cool to see another version of the US WH FL washer. They started selling this design here in 1964 and then changed the washer door back to a drop down design about 1969. The drive system that the US machines had was used from 1959-the fall of 1988 pretty much unchanged. I will be very excited to see more details about your washer, does it have a SS tub?. I still have boxes of good parts for the US 3BWs if you need any parts John.


Post# 514545 , Reply# 7   4/29/2011 at 07:23 (4,745 days old) by kic ()        
finger's crossed

Was thinking of adding some humour to the trip, but with my luck....

 

Thank you Paul, look forward to seeing those pic's. 

 

Thank you John, will certainly take you up on your kind offer if need be. If you like, email me the formalities. I'm willing to spend good money on whatever parts I can get for this machine.

I do believe she is in full working order, but one can never be sure. Only time will tell.




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Post# 514553 , Reply# 8   4/29/2011 at 08:20 (4,745 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa)        
OH MY WORD

wow wow wow!!!!! a big rear control front loader in SA?!?!?!?!?!?! it must be a good age. where did you find it?
Matt


Post# 514579 , Reply# 9   4/29/2011 at 09:55 (4,744 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        

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Defianately a westinghouse! The only thing missing is Pearl Bailey! LOL
David.


Post# 514581 , Reply# 10   4/29/2011 at 09:59 (4,744 days old) by FRESHLINEN (south africa)        

hi louis.vz

this is the exact same machine that started my washing machine interest as a kid.Other boys played with other toys this had me hooked LOL.

wHere are you these days?let me now when we can meet for a coffee 0824246228


Post# 514583 , Reply# 11   4/29/2011 at 10:21 (4,744 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Oh! Another treasure found! Looking forward to more about this machine!

Post# 514585 , Reply# 12   4/29/2011 at 10:50 (4,744 days old) by AutowasherFreak ()        

NICE!  Can't wait to see more of it!

 


Post# 514588 , Reply# 13   4/29/2011 at 11:02 (4,744 days old) by kic ()        
Neither can I

Will be sure to make a very detailed video of a complete cycle from start to finish as soon as she arrives which will be on Tuesday the 3rd. Monday's public holiday being the reason for a slight delay. 


Post# 514599 , Reply# 14   4/29/2011 at 11:58 (4,744 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
As soon as the control panel rose up in the post,

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it screamed Westinghouse, but I could not imagine how? Now, I do. So thank you, gentlemen. We had one at home after the Rollermatic died, a TOL toploader. The flic will be fun, Kic,


Post# 514600 , Reply# 15   4/29/2011 at 12:01 (4,744 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
SCREAM

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Well scream all you can matey coz that is one hell of machine ;-) I wish you all the luck with it

Post# 514729 , Reply# 16   4/30/2011 at 08:26 (4,744 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Hi Louis

think I can safely say that there are loads of people very interested to know about this machine!

All power to you in its acquisition and roll on the vids.

Our version was the English Electric 4032 Reversomatic 484, from the 60s, though your machine looks to have a few more options.

When was your machine on sale....


Post# 514730 , Reply# 17   4/30/2011 at 08:29 (4,744 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

and the standard machine with controls at the front, in the form of the 474 Reversomatic.

Really hope the machine arrives safely.

Paul



Post# 514767 , Reply# 18   4/30/2011 at 11:35 (4,743 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
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Oh Laundry Kitty, where have you been for so long? After a luxurious treat of Fancy Feast, she likes to snuggle with the Westie before returning to her duties as general villan lap kitty. A well rounded lady!

_tim


Post# 514829 , Reply# 19   4/30/2011 at 18:17 (4,743 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
How fantastic...

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..What a treat to see...and it does look to be in Fabulous condition..

 

Can't wait for the vid's


Post# 514832 , Reply# 20   4/30/2011 at 19:28 (4,743 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Can't wait to see close-up pics of the control panel.  Congratulations!!!


Post# 514851 , Reply# 21   5/1/2011 at 00:27 (4,743 days old) by A440 ()        

Wow!

What a beauty!

Love the SS wash basket!

Your machine looks better built than the Westy's I have seen of this era here in the states!

Keep us informed. 

Beautiful Machine!

Congratulations!

Brent


Post# 514863 , Reply# 22   5/1/2011 at 04:25 (4,743 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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"Flush,lift,turn,tumble 57 times a minute"

You can be sure....if it's Westinghouse

The "Westinghouse Laundromat" was one of,if not my absolute favorite designs in front loading washers. the slanted front models were my favorite design.I'd love to see Electrolux bring that design back for nostalgic reasons of course.As for the brand name, Fuchsware,that could be quite a bit misconstrued here in the U.S.---------


You can be sure.... if it's Fuchsware!! LOL Great washer!!!!


Post# 514953 , Reply# 23   5/1/2011 at 16:00 (4,742 days old) by kic ()        
No comment

from the peanut gallery 


Post# 514961 , Reply# 24   5/1/2011 at 16:27 (4,742 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        
Oh EE!

If I had one of those lovely Reversomatics I'd be unreal happy! I have my very own cat to accompany it too, though she is a tabby. What great company it must be to have a cat by your side when you are washing!

James.


Post# 514966 , Reply# 25   5/1/2011 at 16:43 (4,742 days old) by kic ()        
Sounds like a plan, James

Thing is... I haven't got any cat's only big pesky dog's but I love 'em all the same.


Post# 514971 , Reply# 26   5/1/2011 at 17:13 (4,742 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        
I don't own a dog but...

I now own a HOOVER WASHDOG!!!

Post# 514972 , Reply# 27   5/1/2011 at 17:19 (4,742 days old) by kic ()        
Brilliant!

Now why didn't I think of that, LOL


Post# 515063 , Reply# 28   5/1/2011 at 23:15 (4,742 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

The top of your washer looks like it came out of the same stamping die as my 1976 LT570 Westinghouse, but yours has the added bleach dispensers like a LT870 shown in the link below.

As far as the layout of the control panel; the westy here has a 6 button push button part # Q-156882, and is rated for 120 and 240 volt service, since washer variants were made for 240 volt countries. The far right button on many usa westys is the tub light button; the other five the matrix of how the hot and cold solenoids are used. Both hot and cold are fired for warm.

The 120 volt pump and high speed solenoids for usa usage were also made in 240 volt variants too. If you washer is a 3 belt unit, the big high speed solenoid is Q-119014 and is rated 230 volt 50 cycles.

Since your washer "sort of looks" like it has a stainless drum, it might be the dual direction 1 belt westy version with the German torquer motor, like marketed in the USA from roughly 1988 to 1993 ish. I say 1993 ish since new old stock were still around for a few years. The torquer usa models I have seen did not have a stainless drum, but stainless drums did become popular with the USA's rediscovert of FL washers in the mid 1990's. The newer usa torquer version does not drive the pump off the drive motor like the usa 3 belt does.

Please post some images of this cool washer once you receive it.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO 3beltwesty's LINK


Post# 515103 , Reply# 29   5/2/2011 at 04:03 (4,742 days old) by kic ()        
Interesting link

Thank you, 3beltwesty

 

Are there any advantage's should mine be of the 'one belt' variety?


Post# 515136 , Reply# 30   5/2/2011 at 08:52 (4,742 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

the 1 belt version in the usa was the newer last model. It has a higher extract/spin speed. It's controller made the drum revolve both CW and CCW.

Many of the parts for the older 3 belt are on this pdf on the diagram on page 5; some on pages 3 and 4 too . Not all on paged 3 and 4 is for 3 belt. I believe the 131725300 on page 4 is the Germany made speed control for the newer 1 belt washer with old mechanics. ie the roughly 1988 to 1993 version.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO 3beltwesty's LINK


Post# 515433 , Reply# 31   5/3/2011 at 12:35 (4,740 days old) by kic ()        
Awesome!!

Not a scratch nor a dent. 

 

Courier's fault its missing a knob!

 

Back plate scribbles "completely overhauled 1988" 

 

Purrs like a kitten smooth spinning throughout all 7 loads I washed today!

 

Vid taking forever to upload!!

 


Post# 515436 , Reply# 32   5/3/2011 at 12:37 (4,740 days old) by kic ()        
what a day

like no other


Post# 515446 , Reply# 33   5/3/2011 at 13:22 (4,740 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

Wow; that delrin plastic door catch too looks just like mine on my 1976 westy

To pop the hood on mine one uses a putty knife in the front about 5cm from each corner to push the two catches back. The top then pivots back. Yours has the added dispenser that connects to the tub.


Post# 515448 , Reply# 34   5/3/2011 at 13:28 (4,740 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

On the westys here these are the two spring metal pieces the putty knife touches.

is the "tub light" on yours at the same 6 o'clock position? You can feel its port hole when the door is open on yours.


Post# 515450 , Reply# 35   5/3/2011 at 13:29 (4,740 days old) by jim (Hudson, WI)        
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Hi Kic,

So very nice of a find! You lucky devil. Is that a light I see inside the tub? And is that tub SS? Looks like it from your pics.

Jim


Post# 515460 , Reply# 36   5/3/2011 at 15:00 (4,740 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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Beautiful! Congrats!!

Post# 515462 , Reply# 37   5/3/2011 at 15:18 (4,740 days old) by freshlinen (south africa)        
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Dear KIC

hOPE YOU HAD FUN WITH HER!!!I NOW REMEMBER THE COLOURED (EXCUSE THE PUN-ONLY SA -LOL WILL UNDERSTAND THE JOKE ESP.IN CAPE TOWN) lifters inside the drum.How full was your 7 loads of washing?looks like that drum can hold a mean quantity?The spin was how fast (rpms?) and how dry you think the result was compared to todays super fast AKA above 800rpm to lets sAY 1400RPMS we find today on modern day washers?Also tell me the drum light ingenious design/engineering for 1960s/1970s(well ahead of its time.I also see you used gardenhose connectors?Is it safe for such high pressure to be left open during the whole cycle?Tell me more?

From freshlinen-0027824246228


Post# 515468 , Reply# 38   5/3/2011 at 15:51 (4,740 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Pretty machine! Quite a catch! Can you get that knob back or did they loose it?

It looks like it has quite a few options. Could you make a close up of the control panel? I would love to see what cycles and options this machine has.

Happy washing!

Louis


Post# 515470 , Reply# 39   5/3/2011 at 16:01 (4,740 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

A close up of the controls has me guessing too!.

I wonder out loud (guessing) if the lefts 6 push button array has a top and bottom selector with the missing knob by the timer. Thus 12 actual settings?


Post# 515476 , Reply# 40   5/3/2011 at 16:19 (4,740 days old) by kic ()        
A close up?

Oh Louis, I thought you'd never ask!

 

Thing is my relatively new camera got stolen- as did 2 of my laptops and few other things not to mention one or two cars but that was a long time ago.

 

South Africa - power to the people where stealing is simply considered as another way sharing. 

 

Will try me best in the morning.


Post# 515481 , Reply# 41   5/3/2011 at 16:46 (4,740 days old) by kic ()        
It appears to me

That the drum tumbles better with the minimal amount of water. Wouldn't it be less stressful on the machine if one always set it on low water levels?


Post# 515539 , Reply# 42   5/3/2011 at 23:09 (4,740 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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Kic, about how old is the washer?  It doesn't look rusted at all like many American Westinghouse washers are - which is why most of them ended up in the landfill.  Perhaps the stainless steel drum and the different door made a difference.  The bottom hinged doors of the American ones were prone to severely rust.  If you have to remove the top, be sure to unscrew around the dispenser - it is probably held on by 4 screws into plastic, the Neptune was like that. 

 

Kic, you look like I did when I was a handsome teen.  Now stop it!  You are sending chills up and down my spine!


Post# 515550 , Reply# 43   5/4/2011 at 00:18 (4,740 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

Kic;

Your washer's two left door hinges look just like the two right door hinges on my 1976 westy DRYER.

Your washer's white delrin door catch looks like part 5303261023 like on my washer too.



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Post# 515553 , Reply# 44   5/4/2011 at 00:25 (4,740 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Bleach Funnel

On the westys that I have poped the hood that have a Bleach dispenser on the top surface; the bleach goes into a "Bleach Funnel" that connects to the tub. Some have screws that are on the top bleach dispenser cover; others just push up and there are no screws to mess with. Hopefully there are no hidden screws.

Post# 515584 , Reply# 45   5/4/2011 at 07:36 (4,740 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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WOW that machine is in great condition, it looks like the whole cabinet is finished in porcelain enamel? Please let us know, I am dying to see inside the back of the machine, from the details we can see it looks like the US designed machine. We used to joke that WH was allergic to porcelain enamel as even most of thier TOL machines never had even a porcelain top let alone the cabinet front or door on thier FL washers. Our WH FL washers always rusted out around the door unless you took a damp cloth and wiped and water and spilled detergent etc off the finish every time you  used the machine.

 

The bad thing about Westinghouse appliances that even by the mid 1960s they had become a junk brand that mostly catered to new home builders and by the early 1970s it even became hard for the builders to even sell a new home if it had WH appliances in it. This is why Westinghouse Electric unloaded the major appliance division around 1975.

 

 

Kic send a close up picture of the other knobs I have extras if it is the same as the US knobs. This looks like a really cool washer [ does it have any type of water heater] I think I would pay to have one of these shipped to the states if I ever found one, or if you ever want to sell yours.

 

Regarding water levels, yes we usually found that the original hi water levels were too high for good washing on this machine, however I don't think that the high level will add any extra strain on the washer. We would usually wash at the lower or even minimum level and after the wash period ends turn it up even to the maximum for better rinsing.

 

Enjoy your new machine we all look forward to seeing more John.


Post# 515595 , Reply# 46   5/4/2011 at 08:52 (4,740 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

A look at the front panel controls has us all interested.

When we bought the 1976 westy here it was a more expensive washer than a top loader. One paid more to get a thrifty machine, one that used less water. The LT570 of mine in Consumer Reports in 1978 was rated the most thrifty washer as far as water usage. When we bought it is was consider a premium brand; one paid 35 to 50 percent more to get a washer that was built well and used way less water. We bought the 1976 machine because our first 1947 westy lasted 29 years and was used in 5 different houses.

The reason many 3 belt westys that I have seen here have rusted doors is the boot was never replaced once or wore out in 20 years. Or some repair guy goofed around and messed with the door hinges in an attempt to fix a leak. After this screwup the door is no longer parallel to the washer front. Instead of replacing the boot they somewhow think the leak is at the boot to window, and thus do a jackleg door alignment thing that often does nothing. Once my own washer started to leak the the boot; the local expert masked the problem by lowering the tub via the 4 springs, lowered the water level, add messed around with the door. I came home to vist my dad and the local expert had charged a bundle and never replaced the torn boot. Westinghouses main issues were with the service folks being poor and jacklegging was the norm. Once I replaced the boot the leak stopped.

My own westy has a repainted front and door because these two parts went under salt water during Katrina. The washer was apart when the house got 2 feet of water. The frames lower inside 2 feet was painted too. Both of the 2 sides are stock; they were just hosed off and wiped down. There are a few rust spots on the sideds, but they are not big enough to show in the photo. Both the 1976 westy washer and dryer went under 2 feet of salt water. About the most damaging corrosion on my 1976 stuff is the salt spray on the aluminum on the top controls. One has pits in the polished trim.

When we built our custom house in 1971 we still had out 1947 westy washer and dryer. Few folks used frontloaders then. In track houses builders locally used less expensive starter top loaders, since westinghouse costy more and few wanted front loaders. Home Builders were too cheap to buy a premium brand like Westinghouse.



Post# 515599 , Reply# 47   5/4/2011 at 09:13 (4,739 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Wow!

What a beautiful machine!

Judging by the styling and the stainless steel drum I'd guess this is actuallly based on the English Electric machine, which was in turn related to the American Westinghouse, rather than being a direct descendant of the Westinghouse machines.

Does it have a built in water heater or does it just rely on a hot and cold fill?

I'm not surprised that the drum tumbles better on the minimum water setting, these older machines tended to fill with far too much water which hindered the tumbling action.

Using it on the lowest level all the time would probably slightly increase the stress to the bearings (because the clothes would be lifting and dropping more) but would relieve the strain of the extra weight of the water on the motor. So overall, I'd say it wouldn't have much affect on the lifespan of the machine.

Congrats.

Matt


Post# 515603 , Reply# 48   5/4/2011 at 09:55 (4,739 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Louis, what a stunner of a washer, looks in great condition, looks rather grand with the splashback!! What are the different speeds? as in definition of "MultiSpeed"

Is this reverse action like our English Eectric Reversomat??

Have been meaning to ask this for a while, Did any of the later US models have reverse action tumbling??

Enjoy, looking forward to the vids, Mike


Post# 515610 , Reply# 49   5/4/2011 at 10:29 (4,739 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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[Lower water levels will increase the stress on the bearings]

 

It may but bearings never fail from stress in a washing machine, they fail from water getting past the water seal which quickly ruins the bearings.


Post# 515613 , Reply# 50   5/4/2011 at 10:36 (4,739 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
RE: Did any of the later US models have reverse action tumbl

The last variant of the usa westy had a German made torquer motor with an electonic; control board that allowed both directions of CCW and CW. Theses were roughly made from 1988 ish to 1993 ish. The older decaded old 3 belt until with its 1800 rpm AC induction motor and solenoids were dropped and this newer design used as many parts as possible.

The newer 1988 to 93 version has a different tub, the pump is now driven electrically instead of driven off the AC motors hub via the smaller solenoid which pulled in the pumps driven disk. The basket is different on the usa 1988 to 93 model. The older 3 belt had a screw in left hand thread shaft. The new basket assemy came with a shaft already attached; one that is made so it works both ccw and cw. The timer is different on the 88 to 93 1 belt unit, there is no solenoid to fire.

From the outside, the older/3 belt and and newer/1 belt unit look about alike, many parts are the same. ie the boot, deflector ring, door, chassis, top.

the newer usa 88 to 93 version has 1 belt and 1 big pulley connected to the spin basket. The controller controlled the baskets motions. The motors and controller board I have seen are German made.


On my 1976 westy 3 belt unit; the measured power during the wash cycle is between 200 to 300 watts. A higher value seems to be less determined by the water, than by the clothes washed.

*IF* one had a leaky shaft seal a lower water setting might increase the borrowed time before the bearings fail.

All the usa machines from 1941 to 1993 use the same two 6205 ball bearings and shaft seal.


Post# 515615 , Reply# 51   5/4/2011 at 10:39 (4,739 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
So is the drum stainless or not?

The first image's reflection looks like stainless; the last two more like a porcelain type look.

Post# 515629 , Reply# 52   5/4/2011 at 11:59 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
photos A.S.A.P

My phone camera really doesn't do this machine any justice. Have since asked a friend to borrow me a good camera so that I can post pics galore. Expecting him any time now. Would never leave you guy's hanging for pics just for the sake of it.

 

Details/info as follows:  (thoroughly inspected machine inside and out)

 

Stainless steel inner drum- took out the paddles outer drum and element are as clean as a whistle even after wiping my finger in outer drum no gunk CLEAN.

 

No rust anywhere besides a few surface spots

 

Label inside door states: Fuchsware - Westinghouse licensees

 

3 belt- one way tumble

 

Very healthy sound - no jumps, bangs only a good strong clunk when she goes for the spin.

 

Bleach and softener dispensers have no screws holding them in place but rather plastic thing's  instead. 

 

PICS TO FOLLOW SOON

 

Neptunebob, you sure know how to make a guy blush!

 

Louis/kic

 

 

 

 



Post# 515634 , Reply# 53   5/4/2011 at 12:21 (4,739 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

A complete over center past vertical is possible here on my 1976 3 belt; BUT the danger is having the switches electrically short on the frame (exciting! :) or have a switch break mechanically due to contact.

I once did this and broke the tub light switch eons ago!

This of course is the back of the washers service panel off; with the top lid rotated more than 90 degrees, past vertical.


RE "Stainless steel inner drum- took out the paddles outer drum and element are as clean as a whistle even after wiping my finger in outer drum no gunk CLEAN."

For clairity; it has a heating element in the bottom?


Post# 515651 , Reply# 54   5/4/2011 at 13:33 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
It has a heating element just as any

oh well here goes....

Post# 515653 , Reply# 55   5/4/2011 at 13:41 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
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Post# 515655 , Reply# 57   5/4/2011 at 13:45 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
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Post# 515657 , Reply# 59   5/4/2011 at 13:49 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
note

the dispensers flaps (above) are broken by the hinges (minor)

Post# 515659 , Reply# 60   5/4/2011 at 14:10 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
Thank you

3beltwesty I love your machine. The story that comes with it (previous thread) is also interesting to read. You truly saved this machine well done!

freshlinen why don't you come and see for yourself??

John and all who helped me understand what effect various water levels would have on my machine. I like the low wash - high rinse combo and will do the same with my machine.

Thank you to everybody who has responded to this thread thus far.
There is still room for more so even if you have posted it before there are many, many of us who have never seen or heard of it. : )



Post# 515660 , Reply# 61   5/4/2011 at 14:27 (4,739 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

wow; THINKS for the images!

A google search of L27AY6 comes up zip. I wonder how many of these machines were made?



Post# 515682 , Reply# 62   5/4/2011 at 18:18 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
re grease

the clutch? how? where? and with what type of grease?

Post# 515683 , Reply# 63   5/4/2011 at 18:24 (4,739 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Loius that is one very nice Westy ...

You said it does have an eliment inside ...would you know how hot the machine gets ?

Good luck on your new find.

 

 

 

 

Darren k.

 


Post# 515708 , Reply# 64   5/4/2011 at 21:19 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
Darren

The thermostat is located within the machine just under the drum. It looks like a plastic bottle top and there are makings from 0-40-50-60-70-80 on it.
It is currently set on 50 degrees. It is not meant for a 'user option' thus the reason why it being inside the machine and not easily accessible.

Depending on which cycle you choose it will heat the water to the set temp.
Say I set it @ 70 degrees and start the machine on number 4 (shortest wash) it will never reach 70 degrees in time and simply proceeds with rinse cycles. It doesn't wait until the set temp is reached as with regular machines.

If I select a longer wash cycle it will have enough time to reach that temp and maintain it.

If i fill using hot tap it will maintain the water temp should it drop within time


Post# 515783 , Reply# 65   5/5/2011 at 07:51 (4,739 days old) by kic ()        
clip

final spin. there was sound when I replayed it on my phone but now its gone??

CLICK HERE TO GO TO kic's LINK


Post# 516144 , Reply# 66   5/7/2011 at 06:03 (4,737 days old) by freshlinen (south africa)        
nice pic of yourself

nice photo of yourself in profile pic.will make arrangemnets to meet up and see your washer in action-take care until then.

Post# 516211 , Reply# 67   5/7/2011 at 14:44 (4,736 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

Kic;

Hi; I am baffled what the Program #3 means with its "Gentle Spin" marking!

On my 3 belt usa westy the potato pulley makes the wash be roughly 52 to 62 rpm region during wash and rinses; the extracts/spins are in the 500 to 550 rpm range. In spin the 1800 rpm 60hz motor drives the spin pulley with roughly a 6 to 1 ratio; ie slower.

Is a dumb guess is your "gentle spin" a slower rpm then the other programs; or a shorter cycle? With the newer 1988 to 93 westy here the torquer motor allowed a faster spin speed; since the circuit board defined what was happening not a 2 pole motor and a fixed gear/pulley ratio.

Can you post an image of the water control switches lettering so all the text is readable?

I wonder if the 6 switch matrix controls temps too. Ie maybe #2 program is COLD and #1 program is WARM?


Post# 516220 , Reply# 68   5/7/2011 at 14:56 (4,736 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

Another question; in what combo of settings does the internal heater get turned on?

Post# 516221 , Reply# 69   5/7/2011 at 14:59 (4,736 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Thank you Louis for sharing the pictures and the video. The control panel is interesting. I wonder what the difference is between gentle spin and drip dry. Have you tested these programmes out? Looks like a wonderful machine to play with!

BTW, is it possible to make a picture of the thermostat?


Post# 516236 , Reply# 70   5/7/2011 at 15:51 (4,736 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

On the usa westy here the 6 button switch uses 5 to select the wash and rinse temperatures; ie what water solenoid(s) are turned on. Warm means both are turned on. There is no internal heater.

With your licensed version the 6 button switch must be more complex.

The trim panel was in decent shape before the salt water flooding of two feet in 2005. Stuff that did not even get flooded like this panel still look poor due to spray and just salt in the air.

This is switch Q-156882 and has ratings for 120 and 240 volts too; since this switch was used on export 230/240 volt models. On mine the blue wire from this switch drives the hot solenoid; the yellow drives the cold solenoid. All the rest runs to the timer motor. The timer motor on mine does not start to move until the tubs water level switch is happy and the tubs water is correct.

The tub light on mine is if one does not want to have the light turn one when the door is open.

On a usa westy the BIG spin solenoid connects electrically to AC induction motor. The motor has to be up to speed with the start winding OFF before the BIG solenoid can work. This is so if the washers power went off the machine will not be trying to start the AC motor at the same time the solenoid commands the unit to go into spin mode; which takes a huge amount of power to accelerate the drum.

Yet another thing is a westy here has a 3rd solenoid; one in the door to prevent the door opening while in high speed spin mode. Thus the timer locks the door one timer click before and after the spin mode is used.


Post# 516237 , Reply# 71   5/7/2011 at 15:53 (4,736 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

On the usa westy here the 6 button switch uses 5 to select the wash and rinse temperatures; ie what water solenoid(s) are turned on. Warm means both are turned on. There is no internal heater.

With your licensed version the 6 button switch must be more complex.

The trim panel was in decent shape before the salt water flooding of two feet in 2005. Stuff that did not even get flooded like this panel still look poor due to spray and just salt in the air.

This is switch Q-156882 and has ratings for 120 and 240 volts too; since this switch was used on export 230/240 volt models. On mine the blue wire from this switch drives the hot solenoid; the yellow drives the cold solenoid. All the rest runs to the timer motor. The timer motor on mine does not start to move until the tubs water level switch is happy and the tubs water is correct.

The tub light on mine is if one does not want to have the light turn one when the door is open.

On a usa westy the BIG spin solenoid connects electrically to AC induction motor. The motor has to be up to speed with the start winding OFF before the BIG solenoid can work. This is so if the washers power went off the machine will not be trying to start the AC motor at the same time the solenoid commands the unit to go into spin mode; which takes a huge amount of power to accelerate the drum.

Yet another thing is a westy here has a 3rd solenoid; one in the door to prevent the door opening while in high speed spin mode. Thus the timer locks the door one timer click before and after the spin mode is used.


Post# 516268 , Reply# 72   5/7/2011 at 18:54 (4,736 days old) by appnut (TX)        
cycle #3 Gentle spin

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I venture to say it's simply a shortened final spin.  No adjustment in rpm speed.


Post# 1081357 , Reply# 73   7/17/2020 at 07:48 (1,378 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        
@Louis/Kik

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Hi Louis,

Just flicking through the archives and wondered did you ever upload the Fuchsware washer in action, great to see :)it looks very similar to our UK version made by English Electric - Reversomatic Super 484

Regards
Keith


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Post# 1081360 , Reply# 74   7/17/2020 at 09:29 (1,377 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I bowled with a guy

named Gene Fuchs. He was like a mother to us younger guy's, so they called him mother Fuchs. ^v^


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