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Post# 520241   5/24/2011 at 18:47 (4,692 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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found this on Youtube....and we know who it is.....he got it up and running.....

Holy freakin WOW!......can you see all the applications for all the variable speeds....from super slow handwash gentle.....to kick ass super duty for heavy denims........and that high speed spin....who needs a dryer?

please check out all the vids as well.......

what an excellent job....some of us may be in the market to have him build one for us....


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Post# 520246 , Reply# 1   5/24/2011 at 18:53 (4,692 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Wow totally amazing, I'm super impressed.   Melvin your work is incredible!


Post# 520251 , Reply# 2   5/24/2011 at 19:01 (4,692 days old) by MaytagA710 ()        

Holy high speed spin! Move over Unimatics lol. I was always under the impression high speed spins were bad for BD machines since the transmission is still agitating even though its not outputting power to the agitator?

But you're right! No need for a dryer here...


Post# 520305 , Reply# 3   5/25/2011 at 03:58 (4,692 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Amazing!!

What an ingredible master of technology to make this all happen.  Like the others I wonder if the machine will fly to destruction at 1,000 RPMs.  How long doyou  think the transmission can function under the extreme high speed agitation?


Post# 520320 , Reply# 4   5/25/2011 at 05:53 (4,691 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

This is pretty cool-when that machine was set to agitate at high speed-made everything around it-WET-with that speed-the machine could act as a blender-or really put the washin' on something dirty.-then spin it dry!HMM-could this be a new form of centrifical juicer?And of course-guess you can't watch the action without getting wet-they may have to make a clear lid for this washer.And with the super agitate speed-how much suds will this make?

Post# 520322 , Reply# 5   5/25/2011 at 05:59 (4,691 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Impressive work, but

It's more than just the motor speed that allows a machine to spin at high speeds. The bearings and tub structure have a lot to do with it. Years ago I read in a Which? magazine that many washers that touted high speed spins did not extract as well as machines with a lower speed because, at that time, some of those with the higher spin speed only spun at that speed for for a short time, like a minute or part of a minute while those that spun slightly slower spun at the top speed for a longer period of time. If a machine does not have the expensive high-quality bearings and seals, not to mention tub strength that can withstand the stress of a sustained period of spinning at high speed, it cannot do it for long without failure. I also wonder about the fabric damage that is done at such high agitation speeds. All a top loader agitator machine needs to do is circulate the load so that the agitator fins can push water through the fabrics. Needlessly knocking them about with violent agitation will only break down the fabric fibers.

Post# 520328 , Reply# 6   5/25/2011 at 06:50 (4,691 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I hope we don't see a drum failure in that machine like what is shown in some of the other threads.I sort of think the agitation on that machine is TOO fast.And what good will it do if the speed of the agitation splashes the water out of the machine.At that washers max agitation speed-we have a pulper there-would break down paper fibers for recycling!

Post# 520337 , Reply# 7   5/25/2011 at 08:35 (4,691 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Fortunately, all that will happen in this machine if there is basket failure is that the tube which fits on the spin shaft and through which the basket is driven will separate at the base of the basket. There is no huge hub like in a Frigidaire solid tub machine through which the basket is driven, just the joining of the basket and a tube. There will no doubt be noise as the basket drops and scrapes and jerks violently to a porcelain-shattering halt, but the driving force will be lost and won't be sending it out of the cabinet, we hope.

Post# 520509 , Reply# 8   5/25/2011 at 23:51 (4,691 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Yes,gave it some thought-The inner spin basket failure may make you jump for cover than serious harm.The outer metal drum should contain the inner spinning one.anyone on here know what the "proof" max factory test spin speeds on the WP KN baskets are?Its like the "Reb Box-red bullet" proof rounds for guns-these are sold only to gun builders to test barrel and action strengh.

Post# 520534 , Reply# 9   5/26/2011 at 02:14 (4,691 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
How long do you think the transmission can function under th

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The spline on the agitator will be stripped away because of the excessive drag from the base of the Surgilator, switch out the agitator with a DA and the spline and transmission will last a lot longer! 

 

Maytag got it right when they replaced their agitator with their flex vane!


Post# 520542 , Reply# 10   5/26/2011 at 05:03 (4,690 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The plastic agitator spline against the metal agitator shaft one-acts as a fuse if the machine is somehow overloaded-the plastic spline strips.Saves the transmission!I don't think a DA agitator will fit that old of a machine.thought the DA agitators were meant for a bigger tank and they are taller than the Surgilator thats in the machine shown in the videos.

Post# 520545 , Reply# 11   5/26/2011 at 05:14 (4,690 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Good work Melvin, great to see inventiveness put too good use, how does it work?? is the box on the back a variable speed controller??

 

The Hotpoint toploaders over here have a gearbox transmission and whilst the washstroke was around 90 opm the spinner basket spun at 1050rpm, wasnt usually the gearboxes that packed up first just the water seals!!

 

Tom, yes as the spin speed war gathered pace here from the 80's many touted 11sec final spin at 1400rpm "To Fling The Final Bit Of Moisture Out Of The Clothes"...the same today, the Fagor washer dryer spinning at 1200 for 2 mins leaves more moisture in the clothes than the Servis Quartz from the 80's with a solid spin care drum spinning at 1000rpm..for a good 4+ mins


Post# 520555 , Reply# 12   5/26/2011 at 06:20 (4,690 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Actually--wouldn't the DA agitator put MORE of a drag on the transmission and motor than the Surgilator?the base is larger on the DA and it has 4 blades instead of three-and add the auger mechanism when the machines is loaded to where the auger rotates.I do like the VFD controller and compatable motor! does make the machine truely user interactive.Was a 1725RPM motor similar to the one installed available?I wonder if you could start there than go to the 3450RPM one.

Post# 520564 , Reply# 13   5/26/2011 at 06:49 (4,690 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
wouldn't the DA agitator put MORE of a drag on the trans

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The answer is no because, water is easy to pass under the slotted blade which reduces drag,

Try moving the Surgilator with a full tub of water by hand and then do the same thing with a DAA and notice the difference.

If I'm correct, I think Sears made a few DAA for their 24" machine before the DD was put into production. That one should fit.


Post# 520571 , Reply# 14   5/26/2011 at 07:26 (4,690 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the DAA was available for standard and large capacity belt drive machines

Post# 520573 , Reply# 15   5/26/2011 at 07:50 (4,690 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Very cool project Melvin I would give a A for your idea and for actually getting it to run. As for proper application of the motor and or the possibility that the washer will ever be useful to actually wash clothing for any period of time the project would get an F.

 

The dual-action agitators can successfully be installed in older BD washers, but the agitator style that he used is the least of the machines problems. The wash speed just needs to be set properly for the load and water level. The splined portion of the agitator is not designed to strip under severe load. In fact there is no part in any automatic washer design that I have ever seen that is designed to break to protect other parts of the machine if it is severely overloaded except the overload protector on the main motor.


Post# 520587 , Reply# 16   5/26/2011 at 09:27 (4,690 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
The use of DAA agitators....

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A Dual-Action belt-drive agitator would fit perfectly in this machine, in fact when large capacity machines such as the innards of this 'new' blue machine were made in the mid 70s, WP was still using the standard surgilator in their Large caps. while KM was using the new DA, the Penta-Swirl, and the Penta-Vane.

There are misgivings in many people's minds about WP/KM agitators in standard and large capacity machines. Both capacities use the same transmission from late 1973 forward, and thus agitators are interchangeable between the capacities. The only visible difference is that the top of the agitator is much lower in the lid well of the machine than it is in the standard. The agitator from a 1986 large capacity machine will fit a 1966 standard Lady Kenmore, for example. It might look stupid, but it will fit.

In fact, there were DAAs in all three capacities of belt-drives from the mid-70s forward. The base agitator was the same part, only the auger was different (shorter) on the standard and 24-inch models.

As a rule, all agitators in belt-drives are essentially interchangeable, with the following exceptions:

1) Machines built 1963 or earlier which had the single groove agitator shaft that accomodate ONLY a drive block style agitator. Polypropylene splined agitators cannot be used in these machines unless the agitator shaft or entire transmission is swapped.

2) 1967 - 1973 18lb. Large capacity machines - These use an extra tall agitator shaft which require tall agitators which fit only these machines. These models are rare today, any of which are on my dream list. Standard agitators are about 3 or so inches shorter and don't fit flush to the bottom of the basket. Basically, these machines were built to the scale of the original standard capacity models where the agitator rose 6 or so inches above the water line and into the lid well. When the 1974 large capacity re-design was done, the agitators rise only an inch or two out of the water.

Gordon


Post# 520676 , Reply# 17   5/26/2011 at 18:25 (4,690 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
Sorry, wrong name!

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Maytag's flex vane is wrong! 

I meant to say Power Fin!



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